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Woman’s Housewarming Party Goes Terribly Wrong, Gets Her Uninvited From Family Christmas
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Woman’s Housewarming Party Goes Terribly Wrong, Gets Her Uninvited From Family Christmas

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Women around the world are choosing to have fewer kids, with many deciding to remain completely child-free. And while it’s a personal choice, research from the UK charity Population Matters reveals that over half of 18-35 year-old women who have opted not to have children feel judged for their decision.

It’s something this Redditor recently went through with her own family. After telling her sisters—all of whom have kids—that she didn’t plan to become a mom, they took it personally. So much so, that they uninvited her from Christmas and blocked her on social media, leaving her unsure of what to do next. Read on for the full story.

The woman chose not to have kids, partly because of her family’s history of disabilities

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This decision offended her sisters, who now don’t want to speak with her

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Not having kids is often perceived as morally wrong

While being child-free is slowly becoming less of a taboo, the stigma still lingers, as this Reddit story and research show. In fact, a study published in Sex Roles: A Journal of Research revealed that choosing not to have children isn’t just judged lightly—it’s often seen as morally wrong.

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The study surveyed 197 undergraduate students from a large urban university in the United States. Participants were asked to evaluate a married man or woman who either chose to have no children or two children. They were then invited to share their views on the person’s happiness and their emotional response to the decision.

Those who were child-free were perceived as far less “psychologically fulfilled” than those with children, the results concluded. The study noted that “child-free targets” triggered significantly greater feelings of moral outrage, including anger, disapproval, and even disgust.

“What’s remarkable about our findings is the moral outrage participants reported feeling toward a stranger who decided to not have children,” said Ashburn-Nardo, Vice Provost for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion at Drexel University and author of the study. “Our data suggests that not having children is seen not only as atypical, or surprising, but also as morally wrong.”

Ashburn-Nardo’s research, published in 2017, raised concerns that harsh judgment of child-free individuals might result in workplace or healthcare discrimination. Now, in 2024, these warnings feel even more relevant, especially in countries like the U.S., where the overturn of Roe v. Wade has sparked heated debates. With reports of women losing their lives due to lack of abortion care, there’s growing anxiety about how society treats those who choose not to have children—and what this means for their future.

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Many commenters supported the woman and believed it was a responsible choice

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Still, some suggested she could have shared the news with her sisters more delicately

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Is it fair for the woman to be uninvited from family gatherings for choosing to be childfree?
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DC
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People often defend disabilities instead of disabled people. Your family is like that. NTA. Maybe too early to call it good riddance, but THEY need to apologize. YOU should be blocking them.

Sue User
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love the comments from the disabled people, especially MisterMysterios. What those sisters are doing so selfish. To knowingly have kids that will be disabled is .. ugh. I am disabled. What is going to happen to those neices and nephews when Mom and Dad can no longer tske care of them ? They will lose the only home they know. Like one poster said, there is a world of difference between loving a disabled child andknowingly having kids with a disability. Did you know that in USA, if you have mmore than $2000 in the bank, you are no longer eligible for disability ? You are forced to live at poverty level.

James016
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That last bit is just horrifying in the underlying thinking to come up with such a policy.

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Sabrina Longo
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her family is so selfish they decided to deny their children an auntie. She didn't say she hates children. I bet she was a great giver of gif, hugs and sleepovers. Now even the older children are put in the middle of the "grown ups" drama.

Angrykitten
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think every family needs a child free aunt or uncle. Someone who is a lot of fun and isn't burnt out on their own kids. So they can really enjoy just spending time with the various children in the family. I chose not to have a child partly as I didn't want to pass on my genetics. So much mental illness and addiction on both sides of my family. But I loved being an aunt.

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BrownEyedPanda
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. OP told her sisters 10 TIMES that she didn't want children. She shut it down the only way she knew how: by telling them the cold, hard truth. Now they're "offended." Oh boo hoo. On top of all that, OP has been uninvited for Christmas. At least the subject of marriage and children will never come up again. No doubt OP will have an even better Christmas, spending it how and where she chooses after she goes LC/NC with the lot of them.

Alexia
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So OP paid for 2 caretakers so that her sisters could come. And in return, the best things these sisters could do was to harass her "for the tenth time" as of why she didn't want to have kids. Well... if you insist so much with such an intrusive question, you'd better be ready for the answer :)) Your life choices are nobody's business, and you don't need to explain them to anyone.

Elio
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't pester if you won't like the answer. Taking care of a disabled child is hard, but some people don't like it when others agree with them that it seems hard, but not for them. It's a d**k move to have kids on purpose if you know there's a high probability they will suffer from a serious medical condition. And no, OP should not apologize because the sisters are "like that".

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It always amazes me when people call another person selfish for not having kids, and then make an argument for having kids. If you think someone's selfish, they will be a terrible parent. It's great when selfish people don't have kids. It's a nightmare with a lifetime of consequences when they do. I don't think it's selfish to not have kids, but that pro kid lobby really ties themselves in logic knots trying to bully the rest of us into spawning.

Beth Wheeler
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like a responsible decision and maybe her sisters are jealous since their kids are disabled. Not everybody wants kids even when there isn't any family history of medical problems.

arthbach
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't understand why people are suggestion jealousy as a potential motive, not just in this article, but in many discussions. In this particular case, it sounds far more like the sisters are hearing, "I don't want to have children because of the risk they will be disabled" and they are interpreting it as "Disabled people have no value. They are hard work. Your life as the mother of disabled children is worthless. AND you were incredibly selfish to have children who had the risk of severe disabilities."

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Captain Grump
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I don't want kids" is a complete answer, and it's beyond intrusive to push for more information when someone gives it and stops there.

Mike F
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right? Sisters make sweeping statement, OP answers - not interested. Why?! Answer - the danger of inherited problems. Ahhhhh, OP is an @sshole cause she won't embrace bringing (possibly) disabled children into the world! It sounds like the cards are stacked against them anyway.

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Bernd Herbert
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, not even close. She listed the reason why she wouldn't have kids. Not in a condescending way, just stated facts. Apparently sister couldn't handel it. And to the contrary, not OP's choice is selfish, but sisters' choice of having that many kids despite knowing of the chance of having a disabled one. And more than once. F**k'em

Kristen Sharp
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those YTA people need to get a reality check! I never wanted kids. My temper is too short sometimes. Her reasons are valid! She owes no one an apology! Sometimes children aren't a blessing (And if this makes me TAH and I get downvoted, so be it).

LittleWombat
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is another Bored Panda article I just read where the parents had 3 children knowingly passing on the risk of Huntingtons. They didn't tell their children, one of whom then had a child or her own! Very similar to this - good read!

sharyn turnicky
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do not get why family thinks yo are a bad selfish person. Have they considered what will happen to their children, should something happen to parents? Or will they decide you are the answer. Knowingly passing on a gene for disabilities is the selfish cruel part.

veryvenasaur
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am autistic. I want to raise an autistic child. However I want to adopt one of the many autistic children stuck in the foster system not force some innocent child to be autistic. Maybe the sisters should have considered adopting if they want to try to raise disabled kids. For the record what I mean when I say I want to raise an autistic kid is that I want to use what I've learned from being autistic to help a child I am not against raising a non-autistic kid that would be weird.

James016
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My son is autistic and while it has its challenges and we have worries that parents on NT children don’t have, we would not want him to be any other way. One thing I have had to explain to people who ask what it is like is that this is our normal. We don’t know any different and we don’t know how to raise a NT child. He does funny things at school like ask his classmates what their favourite element on the periodic table is and then tell them what their favourite is. One of his reports says he has a very quirky sense of humour. I hope that you will get the opportunity to adopt. Having someone who really understands will help an autistic child navigate an already harsh world.

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Regina Holt
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. For those who are saying YTA for telling them the real reason, well, you would not have told them the full reason if they didn't repeatedly pester you and nag you about you not wanting to have children. The fault is on your sisters. If someone asks a question 10 times without getting an answer, then when they finally nag you enough that you finally tell them, well, they asked for it. OP tried to just let it rest at "I don't want kids" but their annoyingly unending nagging deserved whatever answer they got. Definitly NOT THE A

Suzie
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with all her reasons but they were her reasons. She didn't need to justify why she doesn't want kids to her family. "I'm child free because I don't want kids. That's all you need to know. I don't have to justify my decision to anyone. I'm no longer engaging in this topic of conversation. Maybe it's time to say goodnight."

ThisIsMe
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No matter the reason, not wanting to have children is perfectly acceptable and doesn't not require justification that other people understand or accept. Not their business, not their decision.

TruthoftheHeart
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I definitely agree with the poster if any of my siblings had special needs children to that degree I definitely would not be having children!!! You can tell her family is selfish because they knew they kept having kids with disabilities and yet they still keep having kids!!!!! The poor children will never get a nice happy normal life

Lyoness
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Going to respectfully disagree that those kids will never 'get a nice happy normal life'. Will it be 'normal'? Probably not (FYI the use of the word 'normal' is frowned upon, at least in our disabled community, as it implies people with disabilities are abnormal. 'Typical' is more inclusive. Lecture over.) But it's entirely possible those kids can have a nice, happy life. There was nothing in the post to suggest the kids, or even the sisters, are unhappy, just that they think OP is wrong. So there's no need to pity those kids.

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TotallyNOTAFox
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand her, I have a family history of cancer and an autoimmune disease (more an annoyance than a threat) and it would be wreckless to put another person in such a situation.

Lila Allen
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a child who has an unexpected ultra rare disorder. His is a denovo mutation so there was no inherited component. I adore this child, but if this had been something where it was inherited and I was aware, I absolutely would not have had kids. Watching your child suffer and die is the most painful experience on earth. No one would willingly choose that. There are some disabilities which are really not a barrier to a reasonable life, but the severe, medical disabilities are not something you should knowingly pass on.

WonderWoman
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would venture to say if people are honest, they would not have had a disabled child, that doesn't mean they don't love their children with the entirety of their being, but having a child who is disabled is a lot - financially, emotionally, physically etc. OP knows the reality of what having a disabled child has done to her family and that she most likely carriers the gene causing the disabilities. She does not want to do that to herself and that is a totally valid decision. It seems the the siblings are taking offense to this - but again, if given the choice, they wouldn't have gone down this road either.

CBolt
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But the sisters did have a choice - they knew of the genetic history of their family & had children any way. Then, after have a disabled child, made the decision to have more.

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sweet emotion
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP's family are clouding the real issue by putting all the focus on a perceived insult that she never meant. She does not want children, and should not be constantly interrogated about that decision. Even if it were possible to guarantee that a child would be born perfect and sweet and dependable and a high achiever in all aspects of life, that will not affect the decision of a person who knows their own self well enough to realize they do not want to have kids. No one should ever be made to feel guilty for not wanting to add to an overpopulated world - whatever their reasoning. I was able to admit to myself early on that I am far too selfish and self-centered to be bothered with a dependent for 18 years or more.

KatSaidWhat
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Perfectly valid reasons, maybe not pitch perfect delivery. But there are only so many times us single, no dependent people can listen to people telling us it's our life purpose to have kids before we become rude about it, and as she said, her DNA is a big reason. It's unfair to the children knowingly brought into the world as disabled as they will most not live as full a life as a non-disabled.

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. She didn't really have to say more than: "I don't want kids". Just like the word 'No', it should be enough. Never feel like you HAVE to justify or explain - which I'm guessing the OP was made to feel guilty, and enlarged on her reasons (TBH, I would have said I was sterile if they harassed me; they'd soon shut up). The siblings (& mother, depending on what her siblings actually told her) are total AHs.

C.O. Shea
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I straight up told my mother I didn't want to continue the line of insanity in our family. Best no-contact result of my life!

iseefractals
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Think about what happens to that "blessing" when you're not around to take care of them anymore. Are they put in a facility? Are they pawned off on some family member who never wanted that responsibility, but can't bring themselves to deal with the fallout of refusing it? What about the quality of life that severely disabled child will have? Now add to that what this dying world will actually look like in the coming decades. On top of the financial sacrifice, the constant responsibility, and the stress of living through that along with the knowledge of what the future for them will look like. If you're ignoring all that, you're an a*****e.

G A
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Self appointed martyrs gotta martyr. Having large numbers of kids when you are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool is irresponsible not just to your family but to society at large. The sisters are putting their own feelings before grim reality. Someone needed to give them a wake up call. They've built themselves up in their own minds as some sort of cross between Julie Andrews and Florence Nightingale. Needed knocking off the pedestals they've perched themselves on.

John Louis
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am a strong Christian. One of the guiding principles of Christianity is love your neighbor as yourself, treat others the way you want to be treated. That means respecting individual choices. Maybe having a disabled child is a blessing to your, but that is your choice. It in no way, shape or form applies to someone else.

Alexandra
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Apologise because you know how they are? That's such nonsense! As if what your'e saying can turn from right into wrong depending on the person you talk to? Nope: always stand your ground. They should respect your choice not to have kids. Simple as.

Mike Loux
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. "How dare you not bring a disabled child into this world? How dare you NOT suffer like the rest of us?" Everybody saying YTA can go f**k a cactus.

J. Maxx
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having disabled children (my sister and I are disabled) is NOT a f*****g blessing, and anyone saying so is full of s**t. It is challenging, exhaustive, frustrating, and at times depressing. On top of that, it can be financially draining, ruin any type of social life, and lead to lifetime resentments. Folks need to be honest about having disabled children, and people who have disabilities in their family's DNA and make the decision to have disabled babies are selfish monsters. Those poor children don't get a say in being born with disabilities, and if it could have been prevented, like, by NOT breeding, well...

Rosie
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a few reasons why I chose not to have children. One being mental health struggles. I'm bi-polar and depression runs in my family. I wouldn't wish my struggles on anyone. People say I will regret it one day. Who will take care of me? We don't have children just so someone can take care of us when we're old. That's incredibly selfish.

Rachel Pelz
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe so. On the other hand, if nobody had kids, who will take care of the (many, many) old people in need of assistance in the end...?

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Aileen Wuornos
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The sisters are exhausted and resentful, and want op to make the same choice so she can suffer as well so they don't feel like they made a mistake having so many children, knowing there's a high chance of disability and now they'll be stuck taking care of them until they die.

Lyoness
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did I miss the part where either sister said they were exhausted, or resentful, or suffering? Or that they made a mistake? Or that they were stuck? What I read was OP's sisters saying just the opposite, that they thought their kids were a blessing. Kind of confused by this comment.

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Mad McQueen
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op isn't ah. Them pushing her to change her life and making the comment she doesn't want to Risk having a DC is her right in her home to voice after being goaded into a conversation she kept trying to change. Fine don't go to family holidays. They can go an do their family stuff. Go on a trip an enjoy the life she wanted.

Tracy Sellars
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good on this one for realizing she would be an awful parent and deciding no kids. Way to many people ignore they are parent material.

CBolt
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think I'd be an awful parent - probably be a good one. It's just my nature to be somewhat of a perfectionist & to expect a lot of myself.. But knowing that, & knowing raising a child is 24/7 for many years ..... well, I don't want to do it. I doubt I'd survive the stress.

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M G----no
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I learned a lot of health probs run in my family, I chose not to have a child. It would be cruel to force a child to live with bad health just because of my "need" to be a mom. Besides, with my own health probs, I wouldn't be a good mom either. It's been hard, but at least I have 2 wonderful god-children I get to spoil.

Juanita Sullivan
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No it is NOT fair for this woman to be uninvited. It just shows the immaturity of the family members and the disrespect they have for her decision. I truly don't understand where people think they get the right to force their ways and opinions on others.

Broadredpanda
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look... YTAs clan! She literally just said what she felt and not once did she say anything negative about them children. All she said was that she was happy in her life right now,and I don't want to raise a child with disabilities. It's such a sure thing that she'd have a disabled child that she doesn't want to take the risk. But ultimately, she loves the life she has. OP is as sound as a pound, because she even hired caregivers for the house warming get together. I think those siblings are just envious in a way, and because OP told them exactly what she felt, they're being very mean and nasty.

tori Ohno
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They kept pushing, and now they're mad because of the answer? They sound bitter and angry for making the choices they made in life. I hope the OP never apologizes to them, they don't deserve it. Just enjoy your life, and your brother, if they finally come around, accept them back in. But don't pursue them, they don't deserve it.

Yu Pan
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If there is ever a time to deploy the famed, "I'm sorry if you feel hurt" apology, this is it.

CBolt
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Subtext: "I said it - I meant it - it's the truth - & I'm sorry you decided to be offended/hurt."

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Angrykitten
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imo knowing you have a very high chance of having a severely disabled child... and you have a child anyways is very selfish. The op does seem to indicate these are severe disabilities. Continuing to have a second child after the 1st was born with genetic severe disabilities is worse then selfish.

Happynyss
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kind of sounds like the sisters may be somewhat jealous of OP...

tee-lena
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm disabled. I'm also adopted. You know who my caregiver is? My BIRTH mom. It sucks. Not cuz we don't love each other. We do. However, she's been taking care of me almost my entire adult life. I'm 48 yrs old. Anyone who voluntarily brings babies to life to be disabled should be flaid. Alive. I've gotten my apology from my mom. The guilt she feels? I can't help. We will both be homeless next year. Broken down by our bodies and the government. Fun times

Rachel Pelz
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hope an alternative to becoming homeless can be found for you and your mom!!

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Clara Stallworth
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23 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a single woman in my sixties, I'm childless by choice, because, well, it's MY choice! Most of my siblings had their kids as teens, and thankfully they're all healthy. However, they didn't have the freedom to do more with their lives, and I became their go-to babysitter when they had to go to work, etc. OP's situation was that she would face a real risk of having a disabled child based on her family's history. Now while OP should've phrased things more delicately, the sisters should not have gotten upset at OP's perspective. She was NOT rejecting their disabled children; she was simply stating her fear of having a disabled child.

Bookworm
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not only is OP totally NTA for choosing not to have children with a known high risk of severe disability, but what kind of people still think someone 'needs' to have children after hearing them say 'I know I would be a terrible parent?'

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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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Allison Slagle (Randomosity)
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Disabilities or not, you don't owe anyone a reason. Just say, "I don't want kids." Sounds like you're better off without these nuts.

Pixie T
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was born with a genetic disease called Cystic Fibrosis. From a young age it was advised that I shouldn't have children. I'm 44 now and I've never once regretted my choice to remain child free as there was a very high possibility I'd pass my disease onto my child. My sister does not have Cystic Fibrosis (cf) but is a career so any child she has will at the least also get the genes or have cf. I personally disagree with her choice to have a child as I think it's unfair to put a kid on this earth that will have medical problems and pain from birth. That's without the trauma of multiple operations in childhood, regular hospital stays and treatments but she ignores my opinion.

ZombieMommy
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So the sisters are just mad that they made their choices and now have to live their lives only taking care of children who will likely never live on their own and they are jealous of their sibling's choice to not have children who will likely have disabilities. I have always feared having a severely disabled child because I do not have the capacity and patience for it.

Ivy at Eve
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Misery wants company... recently where I live, a father took his disabled sons life and then his own because he was physically unable to take care of him (at least that was implied). The week following, Newspapers were filled with stories from parents worrying about their disabled kids outliving them. We do have care facilities but they are filled to capacity and expensive. I think one commenter was right stating that the sisters (and to a lesser degree the mother) wants their choices validated.

Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Serious question. Why do people act like its a bad thing when sh*t people block them on social media. Really sounds like the nicest thing to do.. they took the trash out themselves and no pressure on the victim to do it

CBolt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good question - how would they receive that apology if they cut off contact?

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CBolt
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA YOU should apologize because you "know how they are"? "How they are" is rude, judgmental, presumptuous, & selfish. People decide not to have children for all sorts of reasons & you gave several until they finally pressured you into adding the family health history. (Why would they have pressed so hard in the 1st place?) What I don't understand is why they DID decide to have children when there was a strong possibility of disabilities. And when they did have children with disabilities they decided to have more - what on Earth? I wonder if the children know abt this & what their feelings might be on having deliberately been brought into the world without any consideration of what kinds of lives they might have. As for Grandma, I've heard that said so many times abt a disabled child: "He's a gift from God." Why is a child with disabilities more a gift than is any other child? Because the mom gets a lot of sympathy, the opportunity to martyr herself, & to get on the road to sainthood? For whatever reasons, they made their decisions - why shouldn't OP be allowed to do the same, for her reasons? Or maybe they're consumed by the idea expressed by my friend's mother when the friend was adopting a child very much in need of a good home & wonderful parents: "You're not a real woman until you give birth." (Incredibly cruel, especially since my friend had multiple fertility issues.) I would not apologize just for the sake of getting to spend Christmas with these people - they seem to have forgotten what the spirit & the message of Christmas are all about & are using it as a weapon to extort an apology from OP, at which time she'll be permitted to spend time with people who will probably still bear a grudge against her - maybe forgiven but not forgotten. I hope OP has lovely friends who will include her in their Christmas celebration - I'll be thinking of her.

Lyoness
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hold up there hoss. Saying a child, any child, is a blessing is a personal belief. And in no way do I (or my partner) insist our SN child is more of a blessing than any other kid. But I object strongly to being told I think I'm a martyr. As parents we absolutely don't want pity. It actually makes me angry. And we don't want sympathy, honestly all we want is to be treated like other parents. Being different is isolating. So please don't generalise about all families like ours.

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Willie D'Kay
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I'm not as strong as you to be able to be such a great and dedicated parent to a disabled child." Something like that is about the only way to appease the sisters about OP's child-free choice. NTA

CBolt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why appease them? (Remember Neville Chamberlain.) OP owes them nothing.

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Key Lime
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am in my 60s, so this is a long time ago, but my sister had a friend where, she was the only "normal " child with 6 or 7 older brothers who all had Downs Syndrome. Pregnancy was harder to avoid back in the 40s and 50s but just wow.

Melissa anderson
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like her sisters and mother are jealous that she’s not sacrificing her life for some non-existent kids. They are trying to control her and make her conform to being a breeder when she doesn’t even want kids!

ButFirstCoffee
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Misery likes company and the sisters want OP to be as miserable as they are. I smell jealousy.

Schmebulock
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tell them to eat a bag of disabled d***s then flaunt your incredible life every chance you get.

Lyoness
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think this person is an AH for feeling the way she does or not wanting kids. Her choice. What I do want to address is the a**hat who commented that people who have kids with disabilities tell themselves the kids are a blessing to cope with their lives. Absolutely f*cking not. While I wouldn't wish our challenges on anyone else, I can 100% confirm that our child with special needs has been a gift. No bullsh*t. They simply love life and love us. Don't EVER assume or insinuate every parent in the disabled community is lying to themselves to cope. You have no idea what we're going through or how we feel about our kids. And yes, I'm bloody defensive because the idea that I see our child as a burden pisses me off. Yes, we have challenges, but no, I'm not lying to myself when I say he's a gift.

Lyoness
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just adding, I don't claim to speak for everyone who has a child with SN at all, only for myself, and to try and remind people than generalising about any group is dangerous and unfair.

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Red Skye
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People with Munchausons, aand only people with it, call disabled kids a blessing, and a gift from god, to them IT IS. Other people call it a punishment, possibly for some sinful life style choice, (sure, choosing to have kids when you KNOW bad genes run in the family line) NTA, you should have simply said Look, just because YOU wanted kids, regardless of intelligent reasons not to, doesn't mean I WANT KIDS. I like my childfree life the way it is.

Lyoness
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. OK, first thing, you're referring to Munchausen's by proxy. That's a mental disorder where one imposes facticious disorders on others in order to gain attention or sympathy (usually parents on children). And second, that makes zero sense here. The disabilities you're referring to are real, not fictitious. And third, are you seriously saying that in order to love your kid enough to see them as a gift, you have to have to be mentally ill? I don't even know what to say to this other than it's wrong.

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DC
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People often defend disabilities instead of disabled people. Your family is like that. NTA. Maybe too early to call it good riddance, but THEY need to apologize. YOU should be blocking them.

Sue User
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love the comments from the disabled people, especially MisterMysterios. What those sisters are doing so selfish. To knowingly have kids that will be disabled is .. ugh. I am disabled. What is going to happen to those neices and nephews when Mom and Dad can no longer tske care of them ? They will lose the only home they know. Like one poster said, there is a world of difference between loving a disabled child andknowingly having kids with a disability. Did you know that in USA, if you have mmore than $2000 in the bank, you are no longer eligible for disability ? You are forced to live at poverty level.

James016
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That last bit is just horrifying in the underlying thinking to come up with such a policy.

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Sabrina Longo
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her family is so selfish they decided to deny their children an auntie. She didn't say she hates children. I bet she was a great giver of gif, hugs and sleepovers. Now even the older children are put in the middle of the "grown ups" drama.

Angrykitten
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think every family needs a child free aunt or uncle. Someone who is a lot of fun and isn't burnt out on their own kids. So they can really enjoy just spending time with the various children in the family. I chose not to have a child partly as I didn't want to pass on my genetics. So much mental illness and addiction on both sides of my family. But I loved being an aunt.

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BrownEyedPanda
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. OP told her sisters 10 TIMES that she didn't want children. She shut it down the only way she knew how: by telling them the cold, hard truth. Now they're "offended." Oh boo hoo. On top of all that, OP has been uninvited for Christmas. At least the subject of marriage and children will never come up again. No doubt OP will have an even better Christmas, spending it how and where she chooses after she goes LC/NC with the lot of them.

Alexia
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So OP paid for 2 caretakers so that her sisters could come. And in return, the best things these sisters could do was to harass her "for the tenth time" as of why she didn't want to have kids. Well... if you insist so much with such an intrusive question, you'd better be ready for the answer :)) Your life choices are nobody's business, and you don't need to explain them to anyone.

Elio
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't pester if you won't like the answer. Taking care of a disabled child is hard, but some people don't like it when others agree with them that it seems hard, but not for them. It's a d**k move to have kids on purpose if you know there's a high probability they will suffer from a serious medical condition. And no, OP should not apologize because the sisters are "like that".

FreeTheUnicorn
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It always amazes me when people call another person selfish for not having kids, and then make an argument for having kids. If you think someone's selfish, they will be a terrible parent. It's great when selfish people don't have kids. It's a nightmare with a lifetime of consequences when they do. I don't think it's selfish to not have kids, but that pro kid lobby really ties themselves in logic knots trying to bully the rest of us into spawning.

Beth Wheeler
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like a responsible decision and maybe her sisters are jealous since their kids are disabled. Not everybody wants kids even when there isn't any family history of medical problems.

arthbach
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't understand why people are suggestion jealousy as a potential motive, not just in this article, but in many discussions. In this particular case, it sounds far more like the sisters are hearing, "I don't want to have children because of the risk they will be disabled" and they are interpreting it as "Disabled people have no value. They are hard work. Your life as the mother of disabled children is worthless. AND you were incredibly selfish to have children who had the risk of severe disabilities."

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Captain Grump
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I don't want kids" is a complete answer, and it's beyond intrusive to push for more information when someone gives it and stops there.

Mike F
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right? Sisters make sweeping statement, OP answers - not interested. Why?! Answer - the danger of inherited problems. Ahhhhh, OP is an @sshole cause she won't embrace bringing (possibly) disabled children into the world! It sounds like the cards are stacked against them anyway.

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Bernd Herbert
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, not even close. She listed the reason why she wouldn't have kids. Not in a condescending way, just stated facts. Apparently sister couldn't handel it. And to the contrary, not OP's choice is selfish, but sisters' choice of having that many kids despite knowing of the chance of having a disabled one. And more than once. F**k'em

Kristen Sharp
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those YTA people need to get a reality check! I never wanted kids. My temper is too short sometimes. Her reasons are valid! She owes no one an apology! Sometimes children aren't a blessing (And if this makes me TAH and I get downvoted, so be it).

LittleWombat
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is another Bored Panda article I just read where the parents had 3 children knowingly passing on the risk of Huntingtons. They didn't tell their children, one of whom then had a child or her own! Very similar to this - good read!

sharyn turnicky
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do not get why family thinks yo are a bad selfish person. Have they considered what will happen to their children, should something happen to parents? Or will they decide you are the answer. Knowingly passing on a gene for disabilities is the selfish cruel part.

veryvenasaur
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am autistic. I want to raise an autistic child. However I want to adopt one of the many autistic children stuck in the foster system not force some innocent child to be autistic. Maybe the sisters should have considered adopting if they want to try to raise disabled kids. For the record what I mean when I say I want to raise an autistic kid is that I want to use what I've learned from being autistic to help a child I am not against raising a non-autistic kid that would be weird.

James016
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My son is autistic and while it has its challenges and we have worries that parents on NT children don’t have, we would not want him to be any other way. One thing I have had to explain to people who ask what it is like is that this is our normal. We don’t know any different and we don’t know how to raise a NT child. He does funny things at school like ask his classmates what their favourite element on the periodic table is and then tell them what their favourite is. One of his reports says he has a very quirky sense of humour. I hope that you will get the opportunity to adopt. Having someone who really understands will help an autistic child navigate an already harsh world.

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Regina Holt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. For those who are saying YTA for telling them the real reason, well, you would not have told them the full reason if they didn't repeatedly pester you and nag you about you not wanting to have children. The fault is on your sisters. If someone asks a question 10 times without getting an answer, then when they finally nag you enough that you finally tell them, well, they asked for it. OP tried to just let it rest at "I don't want kids" but their annoyingly unending nagging deserved whatever answer they got. Definitly NOT THE A

Suzie
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with all her reasons but they were her reasons. She didn't need to justify why she doesn't want kids to her family. "I'm child free because I don't want kids. That's all you need to know. I don't have to justify my decision to anyone. I'm no longer engaging in this topic of conversation. Maybe it's time to say goodnight."

ThisIsMe
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No matter the reason, not wanting to have children is perfectly acceptable and doesn't not require justification that other people understand or accept. Not their business, not their decision.

TruthoftheHeart
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I definitely agree with the poster if any of my siblings had special needs children to that degree I definitely would not be having children!!! You can tell her family is selfish because they knew they kept having kids with disabilities and yet they still keep having kids!!!!! The poor children will never get a nice happy normal life

Lyoness
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Going to respectfully disagree that those kids will never 'get a nice happy normal life'. Will it be 'normal'? Probably not (FYI the use of the word 'normal' is frowned upon, at least in our disabled community, as it implies people with disabilities are abnormal. 'Typical' is more inclusive. Lecture over.) But it's entirely possible those kids can have a nice, happy life. There was nothing in the post to suggest the kids, or even the sisters, are unhappy, just that they think OP is wrong. So there's no need to pity those kids.

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TotallyNOTAFox
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand her, I have a family history of cancer and an autoimmune disease (more an annoyance than a threat) and it would be wreckless to put another person in such a situation.

Lila Allen
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a child who has an unexpected ultra rare disorder. His is a denovo mutation so there was no inherited component. I adore this child, but if this had been something where it was inherited and I was aware, I absolutely would not have had kids. Watching your child suffer and die is the most painful experience on earth. No one would willingly choose that. There are some disabilities which are really not a barrier to a reasonable life, but the severe, medical disabilities are not something you should knowingly pass on.

WonderWoman
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would venture to say if people are honest, they would not have had a disabled child, that doesn't mean they don't love their children with the entirety of their being, but having a child who is disabled is a lot - financially, emotionally, physically etc. OP knows the reality of what having a disabled child has done to her family and that she most likely carriers the gene causing the disabilities. She does not want to do that to herself and that is a totally valid decision. It seems the the siblings are taking offense to this - but again, if given the choice, they wouldn't have gone down this road either.

CBolt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But the sisters did have a choice - they knew of the genetic history of their family & had children any way. Then, after have a disabled child, made the decision to have more.

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sweet emotion
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP's family are clouding the real issue by putting all the focus on a perceived insult that she never meant. She does not want children, and should not be constantly interrogated about that decision. Even if it were possible to guarantee that a child would be born perfect and sweet and dependable and a high achiever in all aspects of life, that will not affect the decision of a person who knows their own self well enough to realize they do not want to have kids. No one should ever be made to feel guilty for not wanting to add to an overpopulated world - whatever their reasoning. I was able to admit to myself early on that I am far too selfish and self-centered to be bothered with a dependent for 18 years or more.

KatSaidWhat
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Perfectly valid reasons, maybe not pitch perfect delivery. But there are only so many times us single, no dependent people can listen to people telling us it's our life purpose to have kids before we become rude about it, and as she said, her DNA is a big reason. It's unfair to the children knowingly brought into the world as disabled as they will most not live as full a life as a non-disabled.

StumblingThroughLife
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. She didn't really have to say more than: "I don't want kids". Just like the word 'No', it should be enough. Never feel like you HAVE to justify or explain - which I'm guessing the OP was made to feel guilty, and enlarged on her reasons (TBH, I would have said I was sterile if they harassed me; they'd soon shut up). The siblings (& mother, depending on what her siblings actually told her) are total AHs.

C.O. Shea
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I straight up told my mother I didn't want to continue the line of insanity in our family. Best no-contact result of my life!

iseefractals
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Think about what happens to that "blessing" when you're not around to take care of them anymore. Are they put in a facility? Are they pawned off on some family member who never wanted that responsibility, but can't bring themselves to deal with the fallout of refusing it? What about the quality of life that severely disabled child will have? Now add to that what this dying world will actually look like in the coming decades. On top of the financial sacrifice, the constant responsibility, and the stress of living through that along with the knowledge of what the future for them will look like. If you're ignoring all that, you're an a*****e.

G A
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Self appointed martyrs gotta martyr. Having large numbers of kids when you are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool is irresponsible not just to your family but to society at large. The sisters are putting their own feelings before grim reality. Someone needed to give them a wake up call. They've built themselves up in their own minds as some sort of cross between Julie Andrews and Florence Nightingale. Needed knocking off the pedestals they've perched themselves on.

John Louis
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am a strong Christian. One of the guiding principles of Christianity is love your neighbor as yourself, treat others the way you want to be treated. That means respecting individual choices. Maybe having a disabled child is a blessing to your, but that is your choice. It in no way, shape or form applies to someone else.

Alexandra
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Apologise because you know how they are? That's such nonsense! As if what your'e saying can turn from right into wrong depending on the person you talk to? Nope: always stand your ground. They should respect your choice not to have kids. Simple as.

Mike Loux
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. "How dare you not bring a disabled child into this world? How dare you NOT suffer like the rest of us?" Everybody saying YTA can go f**k a cactus.

J. Maxx
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having disabled children (my sister and I are disabled) is NOT a f*****g blessing, and anyone saying so is full of s**t. It is challenging, exhaustive, frustrating, and at times depressing. On top of that, it can be financially draining, ruin any type of social life, and lead to lifetime resentments. Folks need to be honest about having disabled children, and people who have disabilities in their family's DNA and make the decision to have disabled babies are selfish monsters. Those poor children don't get a say in being born with disabilities, and if it could have been prevented, like, by NOT breeding, well...

Rosie
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a few reasons why I chose not to have children. One being mental health struggles. I'm bi-polar and depression runs in my family. I wouldn't wish my struggles on anyone. People say I will regret it one day. Who will take care of me? We don't have children just so someone can take care of us when we're old. That's incredibly selfish.

Rachel Pelz
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe so. On the other hand, if nobody had kids, who will take care of the (many, many) old people in need of assistance in the end...?

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Aileen Wuornos
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The sisters are exhausted and resentful, and want op to make the same choice so she can suffer as well so they don't feel like they made a mistake having so many children, knowing there's a high chance of disability and now they'll be stuck taking care of them until they die.

Lyoness
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did I miss the part where either sister said they were exhausted, or resentful, or suffering? Or that they made a mistake? Or that they were stuck? What I read was OP's sisters saying just the opposite, that they thought their kids were a blessing. Kind of confused by this comment.

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Mad McQueen
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op isn't ah. Them pushing her to change her life and making the comment she doesn't want to Risk having a DC is her right in her home to voice after being goaded into a conversation she kept trying to change. Fine don't go to family holidays. They can go an do their family stuff. Go on a trip an enjoy the life she wanted.

Tracy Sellars
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good on this one for realizing she would be an awful parent and deciding no kids. Way to many people ignore they are parent material.

CBolt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think I'd be an awful parent - probably be a good one. It's just my nature to be somewhat of a perfectionist & to expect a lot of myself.. But knowing that, & knowing raising a child is 24/7 for many years ..... well, I don't want to do it. I doubt I'd survive the stress.

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M G----no
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I learned a lot of health probs run in my family, I chose not to have a child. It would be cruel to force a child to live with bad health just because of my "need" to be a mom. Besides, with my own health probs, I wouldn't be a good mom either. It's been hard, but at least I have 2 wonderful god-children I get to spoil.

Juanita Sullivan
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No it is NOT fair for this woman to be uninvited. It just shows the immaturity of the family members and the disrespect they have for her decision. I truly don't understand where people think they get the right to force their ways and opinions on others.

Broadredpanda
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look... YTAs clan! She literally just said what she felt and not once did she say anything negative about them children. All she said was that she was happy in her life right now,and I don't want to raise a child with disabilities. It's such a sure thing that she'd have a disabled child that she doesn't want to take the risk. But ultimately, she loves the life she has. OP is as sound as a pound, because she even hired caregivers for the house warming get together. I think those siblings are just envious in a way, and because OP told them exactly what she felt, they're being very mean and nasty.

tori Ohno
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They kept pushing, and now they're mad because of the answer? They sound bitter and angry for making the choices they made in life. I hope the OP never apologizes to them, they don't deserve it. Just enjoy your life, and your brother, if they finally come around, accept them back in. But don't pursue them, they don't deserve it.

Yu Pan
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If there is ever a time to deploy the famed, "I'm sorry if you feel hurt" apology, this is it.

CBolt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Subtext: "I said it - I meant it - it's the truth - & I'm sorry you decided to be offended/hurt."

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Angrykitten
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imo knowing you have a very high chance of having a severely disabled child... and you have a child anyways is very selfish. The op does seem to indicate these are severe disabilities. Continuing to have a second child after the 1st was born with genetic severe disabilities is worse then selfish.

Happynyss
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kind of sounds like the sisters may be somewhat jealous of OP...

tee-lena
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm disabled. I'm also adopted. You know who my caregiver is? My BIRTH mom. It sucks. Not cuz we don't love each other. We do. However, she's been taking care of me almost my entire adult life. I'm 48 yrs old. Anyone who voluntarily brings babies to life to be disabled should be flaid. Alive. I've gotten my apology from my mom. The guilt she feels? I can't help. We will both be homeless next year. Broken down by our bodies and the government. Fun times

Rachel Pelz
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hope an alternative to becoming homeless can be found for you and your mom!!

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Clara Stallworth
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23 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a single woman in my sixties, I'm childless by choice, because, well, it's MY choice! Most of my siblings had their kids as teens, and thankfully they're all healthy. However, they didn't have the freedom to do more with their lives, and I became their go-to babysitter when they had to go to work, etc. OP's situation was that she would face a real risk of having a disabled child based on her family's history. Now while OP should've phrased things more delicately, the sisters should not have gotten upset at OP's perspective. She was NOT rejecting their disabled children; she was simply stating her fear of having a disabled child.

Bookworm
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not only is OP totally NTA for choosing not to have children with a known high risk of severe disability, but what kind of people still think someone 'needs' to have children after hearing them say 'I know I would be a terrible parent?'

robert webb
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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Allison Slagle (Randomosity)
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Disabilities or not, you don't owe anyone a reason. Just say, "I don't want kids." Sounds like you're better off without these nuts.

Pixie T
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was born with a genetic disease called Cystic Fibrosis. From a young age it was advised that I shouldn't have children. I'm 44 now and I've never once regretted my choice to remain child free as there was a very high possibility I'd pass my disease onto my child. My sister does not have Cystic Fibrosis (cf) but is a career so any child she has will at the least also get the genes or have cf. I personally disagree with her choice to have a child as I think it's unfair to put a kid on this earth that will have medical problems and pain from birth. That's without the trauma of multiple operations in childhood, regular hospital stays and treatments but she ignores my opinion.

ZombieMommy
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So the sisters are just mad that they made their choices and now have to live their lives only taking care of children who will likely never live on their own and they are jealous of their sibling's choice to not have children who will likely have disabilities. I have always feared having a severely disabled child because I do not have the capacity and patience for it.

Ivy at Eve
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Misery wants company... recently where I live, a father took his disabled sons life and then his own because he was physically unable to take care of him (at least that was implied). The week following, Newspapers were filled with stories from parents worrying about their disabled kids outliving them. We do have care facilities but they are filled to capacity and expensive. I think one commenter was right stating that the sisters (and to a lesser degree the mother) wants their choices validated.

Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Serious question. Why do people act like its a bad thing when sh*t people block them on social media. Really sounds like the nicest thing to do.. they took the trash out themselves and no pressure on the victim to do it

CBolt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good question - how would they receive that apology if they cut off contact?

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CBolt
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA YOU should apologize because you "know how they are"? "How they are" is rude, judgmental, presumptuous, & selfish. People decide not to have children for all sorts of reasons & you gave several until they finally pressured you into adding the family health history. (Why would they have pressed so hard in the 1st place?) What I don't understand is why they DID decide to have children when there was a strong possibility of disabilities. And when they did have children with disabilities they decided to have more - what on Earth? I wonder if the children know abt this & what their feelings might be on having deliberately been brought into the world without any consideration of what kinds of lives they might have. As for Grandma, I've heard that said so many times abt a disabled child: "He's a gift from God." Why is a child with disabilities more a gift than is any other child? Because the mom gets a lot of sympathy, the opportunity to martyr herself, & to get on the road to sainthood? For whatever reasons, they made their decisions - why shouldn't OP be allowed to do the same, for her reasons? Or maybe they're consumed by the idea expressed by my friend's mother when the friend was adopting a child very much in need of a good home & wonderful parents: "You're not a real woman until you give birth." (Incredibly cruel, especially since my friend had multiple fertility issues.) I would not apologize just for the sake of getting to spend Christmas with these people - they seem to have forgotten what the spirit & the message of Christmas are all about & are using it as a weapon to extort an apology from OP, at which time she'll be permitted to spend time with people who will probably still bear a grudge against her - maybe forgiven but not forgotten. I hope OP has lovely friends who will include her in their Christmas celebration - I'll be thinking of her.

Lyoness
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hold up there hoss. Saying a child, any child, is a blessing is a personal belief. And in no way do I (or my partner) insist our SN child is more of a blessing than any other kid. But I object strongly to being told I think I'm a martyr. As parents we absolutely don't want pity. It actually makes me angry. And we don't want sympathy, honestly all we want is to be treated like other parents. Being different is isolating. So please don't generalise about all families like ours.

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Willie D'Kay
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I'm not as strong as you to be able to be such a great and dedicated parent to a disabled child." Something like that is about the only way to appease the sisters about OP's child-free choice. NTA

CBolt
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why appease them? (Remember Neville Chamberlain.) OP owes them nothing.

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Key Lime
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am in my 60s, so this is a long time ago, but my sister had a friend where, she was the only "normal " child with 6 or 7 older brothers who all had Downs Syndrome. Pregnancy was harder to avoid back in the 40s and 50s but just wow.

Melissa anderson
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like her sisters and mother are jealous that she’s not sacrificing her life for some non-existent kids. They are trying to control her and make her conform to being a breeder when she doesn’t even want kids!

ButFirstCoffee
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Misery likes company and the sisters want OP to be as miserable as they are. I smell jealousy.

Schmebulock
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tell them to eat a bag of disabled d***s then flaunt your incredible life every chance you get.

Lyoness
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think this person is an AH for feeling the way she does or not wanting kids. Her choice. What I do want to address is the a**hat who commented that people who have kids with disabilities tell themselves the kids are a blessing to cope with their lives. Absolutely f*cking not. While I wouldn't wish our challenges on anyone else, I can 100% confirm that our child with special needs has been a gift. No bullsh*t. They simply love life and love us. Don't EVER assume or insinuate every parent in the disabled community is lying to themselves to cope. You have no idea what we're going through or how we feel about our kids. And yes, I'm bloody defensive because the idea that I see our child as a burden pisses me off. Yes, we have challenges, but no, I'm not lying to myself when I say he's a gift.

Lyoness
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just adding, I don't claim to speak for everyone who has a child with SN at all, only for myself, and to try and remind people than generalising about any group is dangerous and unfair.

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Red Skye
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People with Munchausons, aand only people with it, call disabled kids a blessing, and a gift from god, to them IT IS. Other people call it a punishment, possibly for some sinful life style choice, (sure, choosing to have kids when you KNOW bad genes run in the family line) NTA, you should have simply said Look, just because YOU wanted kids, regardless of intelligent reasons not to, doesn't mean I WANT KIDS. I like my childfree life the way it is.

Lyoness
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. OK, first thing, you're referring to Munchausen's by proxy. That's a mental disorder where one imposes facticious disorders on others in order to gain attention or sympathy (usually parents on children). And second, that makes zero sense here. The disabilities you're referring to are real, not fictitious. And third, are you seriously saying that in order to love your kid enough to see them as a gift, you have to have to be mentally ill? I don't even know what to say to this other than it's wrong.

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