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Guy Breaks Up With GF Of 3 Months Because She’s Pregnant And He Doesn’t Want To Be A Dad
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Guy Breaks Up With GF Of 3 Months Because She’s Pregnant And He Doesn’t Want To Be A Dad

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An unplanned pregnancy can turn anyone’s life upside down. It might be an unexpected blessing that a couple is thrilled about, or it could throw a wrench into their future plans. And it can make things even more complicated when both parents disagree on whether or not to keep the child.

Below, you’ll find a saga that was recently shared on Reddit, detailing how one man and his ex-girlfriend had a difficult time deciding what to do after finding out that they had a little one on the way.

This man has always known that he doesn’t want to have children

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So after finding out that his girlfriend was having a child, he decided that would be the end of their relationship

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After his first post, readers shared their thoughts and advice

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The man also shared more details about the situation after reading some responses

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He noted that he consulted a lawyer and took a paternity test as well

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The man also addressed questions about the possibility of getting back together with his ex

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Readers were curious about the man and his ex-girlfriend’s families, as well as his future plans, so he explained the situation further

Later, he shared another update after receiving the results of the paternity test and explained the options he gave his ex

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Readers continued sharing their reactions to the situation, and the OP chimed in with more of his thoughts

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“Get a vasectomy, so you don’t have to go through all this”

We reached out to the man who shared this story on Reddit to hear how he’s feeling about the whole situation now, and he was kind enough to answer a few questions for Bored Panda. “I’d rather she have just aborted the kid, but I guess this is about as good as I’ll get,” the OP shared.

As of now, he says he’s unsure when exactly the baby is coming, but he assumes it’ll be about 5 or 6 months from now. And thankfully, he noted that his sister and her wife are very excited. The OP also shared that the responses he received from Reddit were very helpful, so it appears that sharing all of these posts was worth it.

And as far as any wise words the OP has for men who may find themselves in a similar situation, he says, “Get a vasectomy, so you don’t have to go through all this [crap]. If you get turned down like I did, then try harder than I did to find someone else. If you end up where I am, then good luck I guess. Just trust your gut? I don’t know, I’m not an expert, I’m still figuring my [stuff] out.”

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Nearly half of all pregnancies are unplanned

In this day and age, we have better access to birth control than ever before in the past. We have condoms, contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, arm implants and more. Yet with all of these tools at our disposal, we still can’t seem to prevent unplanned pregnancies. According to the United Nations Population Fund, nearly half of all pregnancies around the globe are unintended. Even in the United States, 46% of pregnancies are unplanned, the New York Times reports.  

But an unplanned pregnancy isn’t always perceived as a bad thing. Sometimes couples are thrilled to receive the news that they’re going to be parents, even if they weren’t actively trying yet. They might have always dreamed of starting a family, and if they’re financially stable and ready to bring new life into the world, they might be over the moon. 

On the other hand, however, expecting parents might be scared, stressed and overwhelmed by the idea of bringing a little one into the world. And if that’s the case, it’s important for them to understand that they do have options.

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It’s important for couples to know that they have options when a pregnancy is unexpected

Healthline explains that when an unplanned pregnancy appears, couples must first consider whether or not they even want to be parents, as well as whether they’d like to parent together or separately. And if they’re not interested in being parents at all, there are other options to consider. The mother in this particular situation didn’t seem interested in entertaining the ideas of abortion or adoption, but for some women, these are perfectly viable options.

Being a parent can be scary, and it’s certainly expensive and time consuming. If a couple is too young to be able to provide for a child, they don’t have enough income to support a family, or they were simply never interested in having kids in the first place, they shouldn’t feel forced into it. Arranging an adoption is possible almost anywhere, and while having an abortion may be a bit trickier logistics wise, depending on where you live, it can be the best move for some couples to make.

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It’s also important to assess your current lifestyle before deciding on whether or not to bring a child into the world. Are you used to traveling every weekend or staying out late every night? Would you have a difficult time giving up drinking or smoking? Are you healthy enough to provide a healthy home for a baby?

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While being a single parent may not be everyone’s first choice, it does work for many families

In cases like this story, where one party is happy to raise a child and the other isn’t, single parenting is another viable option. And while it might sound difficult to imagine raising a child all on your own, it might be even worse to pressure a partner to stick around when they’re not actually interested in parenting. 

Plus, plenty of parents raise their little ones without a partner. In fact, the United States has the world’s highest rate of children living in single-parent homes, the Pew Research Center reports, with 23% of kiddos living in homes with only one adult. In fact, kids raised in healthy single parent households are just as happy as kids raised with two parents.

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We would love to hear your thoughts on this saga in the comments below, pandas. Do you think this man was right to break up with his girlfriend? Or would you have handled the situation differently? Feel free to share, and then if you’re interested in reading another Bored Panda article discussing similar relationship drama, look no further than right here

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Finally, the man shared another update explaining the agreement he came to with his ex

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He also added a summary of their final decisions, as well as some of his future plans

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Readers shared even more advice for the man, and the OP answered a few more questions

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Howdy, I'm Adelaide! I'm originally from Texas, but after graduating from university with an acting degree, I relocated to sunny Los Angeles for a while. I then got a serious bite from the travel bug and found myself moving to Sweden and England before settling in Lithuania about two years ago. I'm passionate about animal welfare, sustainability and eating delicious food. But as you can see, I cover a wide range of topics including drama, internet trends and hilarious memes. I can easily be won over with a Seinfeld reference, vegan pastry or glass of fresh cold brew. And during my free time, I can usually be seen strolling through a park, playing tennis or baking something tasty.

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Dre Mosley
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Any guy that knows they never want kids should probably just get a vasectomy, so they won't end up in this situation.

Leekun
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well he did try but it's not easy. There are always those who are like "But what if you change your mind" or outright refuse to do it if you are below a certain age

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perkio
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was several decades ago, but my mother "accidentally" got pregnant to get my father to marry her. She knew was getting sick and needed someone that was going to take care of her. It didn't work. He was a 22 year old bartender who was neglecting the two kids he already had. She was 34. He left before the shotgun wedding and stayed out of my life for the most part. I don't blame him. He would have been a worse present father than he ever was an absent father. And for those who say those who don't want to have children are selfish an won't have someone to take care of you when you're old... as an child nursemaid and emotional punching bag for my mother, that's a horrible and selfish reason to bring a whole other soul into the world.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of this could be avoided if doctors respected patients' wishes. I have lived in US and UK and tried to get tubal ligation, and in both countries I was rejected by multiple doctors in the US because I might change my mind (when I countered with, adoption is always an option this was ignored) and in the UK because my theoretical future husband might not agree. On the other hand, they would let me join the army, which I definitely would regret because I'm an adult. Why can't I make birth control decisions? A neurological condition prevents me from taking homonal birth control, and four months into a copper coil I was still bleeding, which led to dangerous anaemia. A few years later I'm happily partnered with someone who also doesn't want kids and they won't give him a vesectomy either. We keep trying, but if conservatives are really anti abortion, they should help us access effective birth control.

Gardener of Weeden
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I so LOVE the adoption option - 1st you need the guaruntee that the child is PERFECT - or it will sit, being bounced from loveless foster families to loving and then loveless again. 2nd - The MOTHER is literally putting her life and health on the line to have this fetus grow and be born. not only death, but an even more likely cause of lifelong disabilities ( if you don't think urinating every time you sneeze is not embarrassing- try again and that is a minor issue).

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Zedrapazia
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, the dude was clear from the beginning that he can't stand children, and she has to accept that. He said he would pay child support, more she can't expect of him

The Starsong Princess
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Advice to OP: get a vasectomy and don’t have any P in V sex without one. Advice to the Ex: see a lawyer and get this whole arrangement in writing. This has way too many opportunities for OP to weasel out later if he feels like it. Don’t waive child support if you remarry unless the new guy legally adopts the baby. The college fund should be an irrevocable trust accessible when your daughter is 35 with expenses allowed for secondary education. Right now, OP can drain it whenever he feels like or if your daughter takes a year or two off before college. Regardless, no one should receive unfettered access to a trust at 18.

Negatoris Wrecks
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Getting one can be hard. My ex was a homeless schizophrenic who was absolutely TERRIFIED of kids. Still couldn't get a Dr to do it til he was 32

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JayWantsACat
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why is everyone's go to to argue against people not having children is "who will take care of you when you're old? You'll be all alone" as if having children is a guarantee you will be cared for and that both family and friends don't exist. There are people who don't want kids. Maybe STFU and let them live their lives.

CatLady
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always wanted kids. I never got the chance. I have mental health issues, so it's probably best I don't, because I wouldn't do well at motherhood. But I cultivate loving relationships with my nieces and nephews and my cousin's kids, and I have tons of friends. I'm not worried about being alone in my old age. I may not even make it that far.

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Casey McAlister
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. And she with her "you should try it out maybe you'll like it" doesn't seem to be ready for kids either. It's not a fancy toy you can try and then just leave it in the closet if you decide you don't like it after all.

Emie N.
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She never "changed her mind". It honestly sounds like she always knew she wanted kids. She just told him originally she didn't want them because that's what he wanted.

Gardener of Weeden
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She could have been like me... Not right now - But Husband and I were on the same page - and We worked HARD at NOT getting pregnant till we were "ready" ( hahaha you NEVER ARE) . after 8 YEARS we were ready - 3 frickin months??? Sorry - she has strong issues.

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Trillian
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well it does sound kind of unlikely to get pregnant on birth control AND condoms. But that aside: She has the right to change her mind and he has the right to stay by his decision. He needs to pay child support, but no one can force him to have a relationship with a kid he did not want and would not want to keep. This is her choice alone (which is fine, if it were the other way round I would of course argue that she can indeed abort a pregnancy she didn't want, even if he would want a baby). But he needs to get a vasectomy stat.

madbakes
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't help but think she was on birth control pills, but did not take them as precisely as needed.

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FreeTheUnicorn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not her fault she changed her mind, but it isn't his either. Consent to sex was given with the understanding of no baby. If a man says he will use and condom, and doesn't, the partner did not consent to condom less sex, and it's assault. He did not consent to sex that results in a baby, there was no reason to doubt birth control would work or that if it failed she would get an abortion. That's why people are accusing of trapping. If she wants to keep the baby that's great, but she broke the contract, he shouldn't suffer for it Even if legally he is still liable, morally he's clear. After 3 months she wants to marry not just coparent? None of what we've heard about her makes her seem like she's going to be a good mother.

MezzoPiano
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oof, what a horrible situation. NAH, just two people trying to make the best out of a train wreck.

My “in my head” Voice
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whether he's involved or not, OP becomes a father when his daughter is born. He's doing the right thing financially, but someday he's going to have to explain why he shut her out of his life. His logic is sound, but I still think he's an angry selfish SOB. My ex got a snip job after we'd had two kids. But we got divorced, he remarried and tried to have it reversed. (No luck). Life is long if you're lucky, and none of us has any idea what curveballs we'll get. He won't be a self-centered 20-something forever.

Oskar vanZandt
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's not forget that they had only been together for 3 months when this happened... Doesn't sound like a solid relationship to build a family on.

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Brainmas
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a woman can get an abortion when she doesn't want a baby, a man can walk way. It's s****y, but it should be his right. It seems he's willing to go above and beyond financially, so that's cool. No one should be forced to raise a kid they don't want, it is very damaging to everyone involved.

SkyBlueandBlack
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well. One more child who will grow up hearing "you're just like your deadbeat father" every time she doesn't please her idiot mother. OP is being a lot nicer to this chick than she deserves, considering she lied about being on birth control and probably took a pin to the condoms.

CatLady
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She seems weirdly obsessed with her little family fantasy. "You'll love it once you try it!" Uh-huh. Baby-trapping has been going on forever, honey. It rarely ends in a happy family. Hopefully having the lesbian aunties there will be enough of a support system that the mum won't resent the daughter for not being successful in her plot to trap a high-income husband. I hate suspecting a woman of such, but it's all way too neat and tidy to be otherwise.

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Anne
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what an idiot. The one telling him about back child support is correct.

BreAnn East
Community Member
1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Guess he doesn’t realize that as his income rises support would too. The support amount he is paying is very low compared to income and time or lack there of with child. I’d be telling him to stuff it. Everything will go through the courts. That way things stay on the up and up. And the amounts are legal. Been there, done that. And support doesn’t end when one gets married, that’s alimony. Support continues until 18.

Celtic Pirate Queen
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, I was on the pill and we ALWAYS used condoms. My son should have been born with a hormone imbalance wearing a shower cap. OP does say he has a vasectomy planned, which would have been my first suggestion. He has every right to not want to be a father, so everyone needs to just back off. I would strongly suggest he go through the court for child support, though.

Danish Susanne
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think OP is a sensible man who thinks about the poor childs feelings being with a father who didn't want her. I have a familymember, who got pregnant, didn't want an abortion or adoption and got the father to marry her. It was not a happy marriage, and the poor son had a sad life, because in the end his mother also got to resent him, though she did realise her sad life was not his fault but her own.

Exotic Butters
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Boy, if only someone would have explained the possible outcome of sexual intercourse. This could have been completely avoided.

Janet Graham
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that this agreement between you two should clearly state that these funds are for the support of the child and are in lieu of court-ordered amounts because the two of you decided to go this route instead. Also, clearly state that if she marries, her new husband takes on the role of provider for the child (personally, I think you are stuck with support unless he adopts her). I would add some provisions to the college fund that it will be available for any post-secondary education ( think Culinary Institute, Julliard, etc) until she reaches age 25 or 30 - because some of us take a while to know what we want. Run all of this through estate attorneys for the trust fund and family attorneys for the support agreement. As she will likely be the only child you ever have, and you will hear things through your sisters, you may want some sort of escape clause in there. What if the Mom dies, can your sisters have standing to adopt her? What if she needs bone marrow? Never say never.

Marnie
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why are the only two options 1) Abortion 2) Keep the baby. There was no discussion of giving the baby up for adoption?

Imagineer
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While I applaud this upstanding guy, I don't agree with what he is doing. I am a woman, and I think women who get pregnant when they know the man didn't want to, should not be granted any child support from any court. Women constantly hold men hostage, either by "saying" he sexually assaulted me or by getting pregnant. The former is the most disturbing. Without any proof whatsoever, his life is ruined over an unproven statement. Meanwhile women parade around half naked and how dare a man whistle at them. Now he's saddled with debt he never wanted, never asked for. As for writing a letter to the child. I would never advise that. That just produces more heartache for the child forever. I truly think if she didn't want an abortion that he would pay for, then he should just walk away, period.

Janelle Collard
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He told her from the beginning he didn't want children. She wasn't listening or she was using her "Wish" ears, as in "I wish xxx would happen."

bookbuddy
Community Member
1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is insane--WHY my gosh WHY involve his sister? What if the child is visiting the sister and he drops by? Also, she will always have a way to him through the sister--and how does she explain that the sister is the aunt but who knows who the father is? He is insane to let this go on with the sister. If he wants separation, he should keeps things totally separate. Will they lie to the kid and say the sister is just a good friend? Also, this child support is NOT generous. Unless it's legally designated child support she will have to pay TAX on it, which will take away 1/3 to 1/2. That's less than I got, and with taxes I would be down to $5 left a month including my salary. Raising a child is damn expensive. For some of my daughter's sports travel teams I would be paying hundreds a month for travel and fees.

Janet Sparrow
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He can't really just walk away unless he wants to give up all rights to the child. I don't like this situation from either direction.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a normal procedure where all rights and obligations are signed away if mother also signs. This is pretty common in family court. It protects the mother too, as no objection to put of state travel or schooling can be raised by the father.

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Pamela Blue
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, but this girl trapped him into fatherhood. It would be incredibly unlucky for the pill AND a condom to not work. She either stopped taking the pill and put a hole in the condom or she's the unluckiest woman on the planet. Yes, one might fail (but the pill is 99.5% sure), but both methods? Nah. Don't believe that. I think she liked him, had this vision in her head of them living happily ever after together with baby. Her reaction tells me she was shocked to the core that he didn't fulfil his part in her fantasy. It's an awful shame that he is now going to have to pay for a baby that truly shouldn't have been conceived.

CatLady
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with you. She seemed so obsessed with that fantasy, utterly ignoring his insistence he doesn't want to be a father. He appears to be the well-earning placeholder for her little dream. And I'm old enough to have seen many women "accidentally" get pregnant to get the guy to commit more fully. It doesn't usually work. I also realized my one ex was sabotaging my bc because he knew I wanted to leave him. I ran. But she needs to learn, as I have recently and painfully learned, it is impossible to force or manipulate someone into loving you or staying with you (I didn't realize I was being manipulative, but now I look back and I can see that I was). All that being said, he should have sought an out-of-state vasectomy as soon as he could afford it rather than having sex knowing that his swimmers could swim.

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Oskar vanZandt
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Perhaps if they had actually been mature enough to have the important conversations in their 3 month relationship, this whole mess could have been avoided. To me it sounds as if they really didn't know eachother well enough to actually be in a long term, mature and committed relationship(and perhaps that wasn't even what they initially wanted). I wish them both well.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It seems like they did have an understanding, she just was mistaken or untruthful.

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Lily Braunekatze
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He is willing to travel out of state for an abortion but not for a vasectomy? I find it strange that conservative states (his words) would have an issue with body autonomy. I'm not sure about how it is for women in my country (I should find out) but I had a vasectomy in my mid 20s made the appointment some quick background questions and snip snip.

Ron Baza
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He’s 25 years old. He wants a harmless medical procedure, which won’t harm anybody else. And yet he has been refused and will have to travel, at his own expense, to another state to undergo it. Maybe - just maybe - you should direct your anger at America’s wildly misguided health system.

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Chris Mbuff
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's always risk when having sex whilst you are capable of initiating conception. Get a vasectomy, stop putting all the responsibility on the females.

Ron Baza
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Has he “put all the responsibility on the females”? They were both using birth control and both agreed in advance that they did not intend to get pregnant.

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Pyla
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a douche bag. So fly to another state and get a vasectomy, just like you wanted her to fly to another state and get an abortion. I am sorry she got pregnant, but it's her CHOICE. That's what choice is about. I am glad he's paying money. He didn't have to do that.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For people seeking vasectomies in the US, Planned Parenthood, where they haven't been forced to close, will usually offer this, and if they don't they will put you in touch with someone who will. Even without insurance it's not usually more than $1000, which is much less than tubal ligation, and definitely less than child support.

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Vladimíra Matejová
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should put it together with a lawyer and the college fund should be left to the kid no conditions attached. Plus he should still pay ( a reduced) child support even if the ex gets married

Alethea Fletcher
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Gotta be honest...he is an A.R.S.E.H.O.L.E! I respect his choice for not wanting children. But he didn't push to make that a permanent choice. And he still had s.e.x. Which, we all know, can result in pregnancy, even if we use protection. None, we all know, is 100% proof. And the way he treated her... appalling. (Many of the comments from other posters were all about blaming her too 🤬). It just shows, to me, the utter hatred and contempt so many men have towards women. ...... However. Kudos for him for setting up good child support. And ensuring his sister plays a roll in the child's life. There should be no conditions added to it though. And none for the fund he is setting up for her regards college. That should be for her to use as needed for her future. Even if she chooses against college, there are other ways to gain a good career (apprenticeship for eg) that she would still require support for. It should be for education in any form.

Oskar vanZandt
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again, may I remind you that they had only been together 3 months... It isn't like he led her on for years and suddenly decided not to make a family with her.

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La Voca
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You definitely should have an ironclad vasectomy so you won't breed. I cannot believe that your former partner would even want you in her life. It will be difficult for her but I hope she can have an epiphany and love her child. When the kid starts asking questions, she can honestly say that you don't exist.

Papa
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1 year ago

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That young man is providing everything the baby needs . . . except a father. I do believe he's selfish., and it's time for him to grow up. An adult should accept the consequences of his actions, even if he didn't intend for those consequences to happen. Yes, I know they both used birth control. She got pregnant anyway. His feelings of not wanting to be a father shouldn't overrule his daughter's need for one. I fully expect this to be downvoted until it's hidden, but that doesn't change anything.

sturmwesen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If he does not want to be a father his children wouldn't benefit from him in their lives. Signed: a person with a father that realized he really did not want children

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Kimberley Dillon Chapman
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1 year ago

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It's very easy for the guy to say, "Have an abortion." I think he should abstain from sex until he grows up. And I doubt he is making the kind of money he brags about.

Saphyre Fyre
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1 year ago (edited)

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She either somehow messed with the birth control to trap you by getting pregnant, or she did another guy (or more than 1 other guy.. you are NOT AT ALL THE AH!!!) Should you even have to pay child support??? You did EVERYTHING you could to prevent this, and you couldn't have been more up front about not wanting to create a baby. This is extremely abusive of her, and you should not have to pay.

Becky Samuel
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you had bothered to read the article you would see that the baby is 100% his by DNA test.

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Snow_White
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1 year ago

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Sorry but this guy is selfish and a bit of an a**e. I get if you don't want kids, I sympathize with that. I get the change of heart of a mother too. In these situations, where another human being is involved that's part you, you cannot draw 'boundaries' like these. This guy put so much effort to not put effort in with his future kid and he's being praised for it. The woman seemed genuine from his story but he put her through hell by not acknowledging her in any way. He was fully in control of the situation. I wonder, why not put so much effort in acknowledging that he's gonna be a father and has to do his part. Why not put so much effort into travelling out of the US and get that vasectomy.

sweetrottenpeaches
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1 year ago

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I'd have only one question to OP. Why the heck you still did not have a vasectomy? Especially if he is making a good money, these type of women always gonna try to trap him.

Tyke
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After all of this and you're sticking to the "she trapped him route". Despite him saying he believed her when she said she didn't want kids, despite knowing that contraception is not 100% effective.

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Dre Mosley
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Any guy that knows they never want kids should probably just get a vasectomy, so they won't end up in this situation.

Leekun
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well he did try but it's not easy. There are always those who are like "But what if you change your mind" or outright refuse to do it if you are below a certain age

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perkio
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was several decades ago, but my mother "accidentally" got pregnant to get my father to marry her. She knew was getting sick and needed someone that was going to take care of her. It didn't work. He was a 22 year old bartender who was neglecting the two kids he already had. She was 34. He left before the shotgun wedding and stayed out of my life for the most part. I don't blame him. He would have been a worse present father than he ever was an absent father. And for those who say those who don't want to have children are selfish an won't have someone to take care of you when you're old... as an child nursemaid and emotional punching bag for my mother, that's a horrible and selfish reason to bring a whole other soul into the world.

FreeTheUnicorn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of this could be avoided if doctors respected patients' wishes. I have lived in US and UK and tried to get tubal ligation, and in both countries I was rejected by multiple doctors in the US because I might change my mind (when I countered with, adoption is always an option this was ignored) and in the UK because my theoretical future husband might not agree. On the other hand, they would let me join the army, which I definitely would regret because I'm an adult. Why can't I make birth control decisions? A neurological condition prevents me from taking homonal birth control, and four months into a copper coil I was still bleeding, which led to dangerous anaemia. A few years later I'm happily partnered with someone who also doesn't want kids and they won't give him a vesectomy either. We keep trying, but if conservatives are really anti abortion, they should help us access effective birth control.

Gardener of Weeden
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I so LOVE the adoption option - 1st you need the guaruntee that the child is PERFECT - or it will sit, being bounced from loveless foster families to loving and then loveless again. 2nd - The MOTHER is literally putting her life and health on the line to have this fetus grow and be born. not only death, but an even more likely cause of lifelong disabilities ( if you don't think urinating every time you sneeze is not embarrassing- try again and that is a minor issue).

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Zedrapazia
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, the dude was clear from the beginning that he can't stand children, and she has to accept that. He said he would pay child support, more she can't expect of him

The Starsong Princess
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Advice to OP: get a vasectomy and don’t have any P in V sex without one. Advice to the Ex: see a lawyer and get this whole arrangement in writing. This has way too many opportunities for OP to weasel out later if he feels like it. Don’t waive child support if you remarry unless the new guy legally adopts the baby. The college fund should be an irrevocable trust accessible when your daughter is 35 with expenses allowed for secondary education. Right now, OP can drain it whenever he feels like or if your daughter takes a year or two off before college. Regardless, no one should receive unfettered access to a trust at 18.

Negatoris Wrecks
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Getting one can be hard. My ex was a homeless schizophrenic who was absolutely TERRIFIED of kids. Still couldn't get a Dr to do it til he was 32

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JayWantsACat
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why is everyone's go to to argue against people not having children is "who will take care of you when you're old? You'll be all alone" as if having children is a guarantee you will be cared for and that both family and friends don't exist. There are people who don't want kids. Maybe STFU and let them live their lives.

CatLady
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always wanted kids. I never got the chance. I have mental health issues, so it's probably best I don't, because I wouldn't do well at motherhood. But I cultivate loving relationships with my nieces and nephews and my cousin's kids, and I have tons of friends. I'm not worried about being alone in my old age. I may not even make it that far.

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Casey McAlister
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. And she with her "you should try it out maybe you'll like it" doesn't seem to be ready for kids either. It's not a fancy toy you can try and then just leave it in the closet if you decide you don't like it after all.

Emie N.
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She never "changed her mind". It honestly sounds like she always knew she wanted kids. She just told him originally she didn't want them because that's what he wanted.

Gardener of Weeden
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She could have been like me... Not right now - But Husband and I were on the same page - and We worked HARD at NOT getting pregnant till we were "ready" ( hahaha you NEVER ARE) . after 8 YEARS we were ready - 3 frickin months??? Sorry - she has strong issues.

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Trillian
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well it does sound kind of unlikely to get pregnant on birth control AND condoms. But that aside: She has the right to change her mind and he has the right to stay by his decision. He needs to pay child support, but no one can force him to have a relationship with a kid he did not want and would not want to keep. This is her choice alone (which is fine, if it were the other way round I would of course argue that she can indeed abort a pregnancy she didn't want, even if he would want a baby). But he needs to get a vasectomy stat.

madbakes
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't help but think she was on birth control pills, but did not take them as precisely as needed.

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FreeTheUnicorn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not her fault she changed her mind, but it isn't his either. Consent to sex was given with the understanding of no baby. If a man says he will use and condom, and doesn't, the partner did not consent to condom less sex, and it's assault. He did not consent to sex that results in a baby, there was no reason to doubt birth control would work or that if it failed she would get an abortion. That's why people are accusing of trapping. If she wants to keep the baby that's great, but she broke the contract, he shouldn't suffer for it Even if legally he is still liable, morally he's clear. After 3 months she wants to marry not just coparent? None of what we've heard about her makes her seem like she's going to be a good mother.

MezzoPiano
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oof, what a horrible situation. NAH, just two people trying to make the best out of a train wreck.

My “in my head” Voice
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whether he's involved or not, OP becomes a father when his daughter is born. He's doing the right thing financially, but someday he's going to have to explain why he shut her out of his life. His logic is sound, but I still think he's an angry selfish SOB. My ex got a snip job after we'd had two kids. But we got divorced, he remarried and tried to have it reversed. (No luck). Life is long if you're lucky, and none of us has any idea what curveballs we'll get. He won't be a self-centered 20-something forever.

Oskar vanZandt
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's not forget that they had only been together for 3 months when this happened... Doesn't sound like a solid relationship to build a family on.

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Brainmas
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a woman can get an abortion when she doesn't want a baby, a man can walk way. It's s****y, but it should be his right. It seems he's willing to go above and beyond financially, so that's cool. No one should be forced to raise a kid they don't want, it is very damaging to everyone involved.

SkyBlueandBlack
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well. One more child who will grow up hearing "you're just like your deadbeat father" every time she doesn't please her idiot mother. OP is being a lot nicer to this chick than she deserves, considering she lied about being on birth control and probably took a pin to the condoms.

CatLady
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She seems weirdly obsessed with her little family fantasy. "You'll love it once you try it!" Uh-huh. Baby-trapping has been going on forever, honey. It rarely ends in a happy family. Hopefully having the lesbian aunties there will be enough of a support system that the mum won't resent the daughter for not being successful in her plot to trap a high-income husband. I hate suspecting a woman of such, but it's all way too neat and tidy to be otherwise.

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Anne
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what an idiot. The one telling him about back child support is correct.

BreAnn East
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Guess he doesn’t realize that as his income rises support would too. The support amount he is paying is very low compared to income and time or lack there of with child. I’d be telling him to stuff it. Everything will go through the courts. That way things stay on the up and up. And the amounts are legal. Been there, done that. And support doesn’t end when one gets married, that’s alimony. Support continues until 18.

Celtic Pirate Queen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, I was on the pill and we ALWAYS used condoms. My son should have been born with a hormone imbalance wearing a shower cap. OP does say he has a vasectomy planned, which would have been my first suggestion. He has every right to not want to be a father, so everyone needs to just back off. I would strongly suggest he go through the court for child support, though.

Danish Susanne
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think OP is a sensible man who thinks about the poor childs feelings being with a father who didn't want her. I have a familymember, who got pregnant, didn't want an abortion or adoption and got the father to marry her. It was not a happy marriage, and the poor son had a sad life, because in the end his mother also got to resent him, though she did realise her sad life was not his fault but her own.

Exotic Butters
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Boy, if only someone would have explained the possible outcome of sexual intercourse. This could have been completely avoided.

Janet Graham
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that this agreement between you two should clearly state that these funds are for the support of the child and are in lieu of court-ordered amounts because the two of you decided to go this route instead. Also, clearly state that if she marries, her new husband takes on the role of provider for the child (personally, I think you are stuck with support unless he adopts her). I would add some provisions to the college fund that it will be available for any post-secondary education ( think Culinary Institute, Julliard, etc) until she reaches age 25 or 30 - because some of us take a while to know what we want. Run all of this through estate attorneys for the trust fund and family attorneys for the support agreement. As she will likely be the only child you ever have, and you will hear things through your sisters, you may want some sort of escape clause in there. What if the Mom dies, can your sisters have standing to adopt her? What if she needs bone marrow? Never say never.

Marnie
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why are the only two options 1) Abortion 2) Keep the baby. There was no discussion of giving the baby up for adoption?

Imagineer
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While I applaud this upstanding guy, I don't agree with what he is doing. I am a woman, and I think women who get pregnant when they know the man didn't want to, should not be granted any child support from any court. Women constantly hold men hostage, either by "saying" he sexually assaulted me or by getting pregnant. The former is the most disturbing. Without any proof whatsoever, his life is ruined over an unproven statement. Meanwhile women parade around half naked and how dare a man whistle at them. Now he's saddled with debt he never wanted, never asked for. As for writing a letter to the child. I would never advise that. That just produces more heartache for the child forever. I truly think if she didn't want an abortion that he would pay for, then he should just walk away, period.

Janelle Collard
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He told her from the beginning he didn't want children. She wasn't listening or she was using her "Wish" ears, as in "I wish xxx would happen."

bookbuddy
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is insane--WHY my gosh WHY involve his sister? What if the child is visiting the sister and he drops by? Also, she will always have a way to him through the sister--and how does she explain that the sister is the aunt but who knows who the father is? He is insane to let this go on with the sister. If he wants separation, he should keeps things totally separate. Will they lie to the kid and say the sister is just a good friend? Also, this child support is NOT generous. Unless it's legally designated child support she will have to pay TAX on it, which will take away 1/3 to 1/2. That's less than I got, and with taxes I would be down to $5 left a month including my salary. Raising a child is damn expensive. For some of my daughter's sports travel teams I would be paying hundreds a month for travel and fees.

Janet Sparrow
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He can't really just walk away unless he wants to give up all rights to the child. I don't like this situation from either direction.

FreeTheUnicorn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a normal procedure where all rights and obligations are signed away if mother also signs. This is pretty common in family court. It protects the mother too, as no objection to put of state travel or schooling can be raised by the father.

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Pamela Blue
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, but this girl trapped him into fatherhood. It would be incredibly unlucky for the pill AND a condom to not work. She either stopped taking the pill and put a hole in the condom or she's the unluckiest woman on the planet. Yes, one might fail (but the pill is 99.5% sure), but both methods? Nah. Don't believe that. I think she liked him, had this vision in her head of them living happily ever after together with baby. Her reaction tells me she was shocked to the core that he didn't fulfil his part in her fantasy. It's an awful shame that he is now going to have to pay for a baby that truly shouldn't have been conceived.

CatLady
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with you. She seemed so obsessed with that fantasy, utterly ignoring his insistence he doesn't want to be a father. He appears to be the well-earning placeholder for her little dream. And I'm old enough to have seen many women "accidentally" get pregnant to get the guy to commit more fully. It doesn't usually work. I also realized my one ex was sabotaging my bc because he knew I wanted to leave him. I ran. But she needs to learn, as I have recently and painfully learned, it is impossible to force or manipulate someone into loving you or staying with you (I didn't realize I was being manipulative, but now I look back and I can see that I was). All that being said, he should have sought an out-of-state vasectomy as soon as he could afford it rather than having sex knowing that his swimmers could swim.

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Oskar vanZandt
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Perhaps if they had actually been mature enough to have the important conversations in their 3 month relationship, this whole mess could have been avoided. To me it sounds as if they really didn't know eachother well enough to actually be in a long term, mature and committed relationship(and perhaps that wasn't even what they initially wanted). I wish them both well.

FreeTheUnicorn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It seems like they did have an understanding, she just was mistaken or untruthful.

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Lily Braunekatze
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He is willing to travel out of state for an abortion but not for a vasectomy? I find it strange that conservative states (his words) would have an issue with body autonomy. I'm not sure about how it is for women in my country (I should find out) but I had a vasectomy in my mid 20s made the appointment some quick background questions and snip snip.

Ron Baza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He’s 25 years old. He wants a harmless medical procedure, which won’t harm anybody else. And yet he has been refused and will have to travel, at his own expense, to another state to undergo it. Maybe - just maybe - you should direct your anger at America’s wildly misguided health system.

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Chris Mbuff
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's always risk when having sex whilst you are capable of initiating conception. Get a vasectomy, stop putting all the responsibility on the females.

Ron Baza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Has he “put all the responsibility on the females”? They were both using birth control and both agreed in advance that they did not intend to get pregnant.

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Pyla
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a douche bag. So fly to another state and get a vasectomy, just like you wanted her to fly to another state and get an abortion. I am sorry she got pregnant, but it's her CHOICE. That's what choice is about. I am glad he's paying money. He didn't have to do that.

FreeTheUnicorn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For people seeking vasectomies in the US, Planned Parenthood, where they haven't been forced to close, will usually offer this, and if they don't they will put you in touch with someone who will. Even without insurance it's not usually more than $1000, which is much less than tubal ligation, and definitely less than child support.

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Vladimíra Matejová
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should put it together with a lawyer and the college fund should be left to the kid no conditions attached. Plus he should still pay ( a reduced) child support even if the ex gets married

Alethea Fletcher
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Gotta be honest...he is an A.R.S.E.H.O.L.E! I respect his choice for not wanting children. But he didn't push to make that a permanent choice. And he still had s.e.x. Which, we all know, can result in pregnancy, even if we use protection. None, we all know, is 100% proof. And the way he treated her... appalling. (Many of the comments from other posters were all about blaming her too 🤬). It just shows, to me, the utter hatred and contempt so many men have towards women. ...... However. Kudos for him for setting up good child support. And ensuring his sister plays a roll in the child's life. There should be no conditions added to it though. And none for the fund he is setting up for her regards college. That should be for her to use as needed for her future. Even if she chooses against college, there are other ways to gain a good career (apprenticeship for eg) that she would still require support for. It should be for education in any form.

Oskar vanZandt
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again, may I remind you that they had only been together 3 months... It isn't like he led her on for years and suddenly decided not to make a family with her.

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La Voca
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You definitely should have an ironclad vasectomy so you won't breed. I cannot believe that your former partner would even want you in her life. It will be difficult for her but I hope she can have an epiphany and love her child. When the kid starts asking questions, she can honestly say that you don't exist.

Papa
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1 year ago

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That young man is providing everything the baby needs . . . except a father. I do believe he's selfish., and it's time for him to grow up. An adult should accept the consequences of his actions, even if he didn't intend for those consequences to happen. Yes, I know they both used birth control. She got pregnant anyway. His feelings of not wanting to be a father shouldn't overrule his daughter's need for one. I fully expect this to be downvoted until it's hidden, but that doesn't change anything.

sturmwesen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If he does not want to be a father his children wouldn't benefit from him in their lives. Signed: a person with a father that realized he really did not want children

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Kimberley Dillon Chapman
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It's very easy for the guy to say, "Have an abortion." I think he should abstain from sex until he grows up. And I doubt he is making the kind of money he brags about.

Saphyre Fyre
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She either somehow messed with the birth control to trap you by getting pregnant, or she did another guy (or more than 1 other guy.. you are NOT AT ALL THE AH!!!) Should you even have to pay child support??? You did EVERYTHING you could to prevent this, and you couldn't have been more up front about not wanting to create a baby. This is extremely abusive of her, and you should not have to pay.

Becky Samuel
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you had bothered to read the article you would see that the baby is 100% his by DNA test.

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Snow_White
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Sorry but this guy is selfish and a bit of an a**e. I get if you don't want kids, I sympathize with that. I get the change of heart of a mother too. In these situations, where another human being is involved that's part you, you cannot draw 'boundaries' like these. This guy put so much effort to not put effort in with his future kid and he's being praised for it. The woman seemed genuine from his story but he put her through hell by not acknowledging her in any way. He was fully in control of the situation. I wonder, why not put so much effort in acknowledging that he's gonna be a father and has to do his part. Why not put so much effort into travelling out of the US and get that vasectomy.

sweetrottenpeaches
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I'd have only one question to OP. Why the heck you still did not have a vasectomy? Especially if he is making a good money, these type of women always gonna try to trap him.

Tyke
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After all of this and you're sticking to the "she trapped him route". Despite him saying he believed her when she said she didn't want kids, despite knowing that contraception is not 100% effective.

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