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Mother Is Handed A Dustpan And A Brush To Clean Up After Her Baby, Wonders If That’s Unreasonable
Mother Is Handed A Dustpan And A Brush To Clean Up After Her Baby, Wonders If That’s Unreasonable
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Mother Is Handed A Dustpan And A Brush To Clean Up After Her Baby, Wonders If That’s Unreasonable

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It’s no secret that babies are notorious for creating food messes left and right. Especially when stressed-out parents are trying to feed them in a highchair out in public, whether that’s in a nice restaurant or a child-friendly establishment.

While all messes can be cleaned, the debate about who is responsible for sweeping up the bites the child plops on the floor is a never-ending one. And one story on the British parenting forum Mumsnet exemplifies this perfectly.

Recently, a new mom sparked a heated debate after sharing that a cafe manager handed her a dustpan and brush to clear up a few bits her little one left on the floor. As the “torn” parent detailed in the post, the place advertised itself as a family-friendly cafe, but clearly didn’t like what her “screaming overtired baby” had left them. So continue scrolling to find out what happened and read on for the divided opinions fellow Mumsnet users expressed down below. Then be sure to decide where you land on the matter and weigh in on the discussion in the comments!

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    Recently, a mom wondered if the staff at a “family-friendly cafe” were unreasonable for asking her to clean her baby’s mess

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    For new parents, bringing their little ones to a cafe or a restaurant can be a daunting experience. And a 2019 survey conducted by Caterer.com confirms this, as it found that over half of new moms and dads research thoroughly online to ensure their chosen restaurant is child friendly. What’s more, this group of parents is the most conscious of their kids’ impact on other diners: 45% reported feeling pressure for their little ones to behave.

    Unfortunately, there’s a slight disparity in how the restaurants and parents see the family dining experience. While 92% of restaurants viewed their establishment as “family-friendly”, 67% of parents surveyed thought restaurants need to accommodate families better. In fact, two out of five parents said they have left a restaurant because it lacked basic family facilities.

    But the topic of who’s responsible for cleaning up after little babies at dining establishments is still divisive, and it keeps resurfacing on the internet in some form or another. So to gain more insight into how parents feel when dining out with their little ones, as well as how to handle these situations better, we reached out to Olivia Edwards, The Positive Parent Coach.

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    According to her, going to a restaurant or a cafe with kids can be stressful for several reasons. “Firstly, if you’ve booked somewhere you are always conscious that you have a specific time to be there, which is always tricky when you have children because they are on their own time schedule,” the founder of Raising Positive People told Bored Panda.

    “Secondly, lots of parents worry about what other people in the restaurant might think of them. They fear that their child’s behavior is a direct reflection of who they are as a parent and a person,” Edwards continued. This can add additional pressure and create tension as parents feel they need to show model behavior.

    However, Edwards added that children often can’t be controlled. “They are their own people and we can only role model and lay out expectations, we can’t predict how they will behave or force them into behaving in certain ways.”

    “I feel society generally places unrealistic expectations on parents and children and so we compare ourselves to others (often through rose-tinted glasses) and spend a lot of time feeling like a failure or simply not good enough,” the coach added. “This isn’t true at all and we should all practice looking inwards rather than outwards and having compassion and kindness for ourselves.”

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    As young kids are still learning the art of self-control and etiquette, scenarios of dining out often come as a challenge. But it’s important to remember that these experiences are important for the little ones who tend to absorb new experiences like sponges. The more food they taste and new places they discover, the more they learn about their surroundings, and consequently, the world around them.

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    But how should parents react when their kid is making an enormous mess at a restaurant? According to coach Edwards, the answer to how all parties should handle the situation lies in the setting. “This is a very personal decision, but I would behave in the same way with my children as I would if dining alone,” she said.

    “If I spill things, or there are chunks of food on the floor or across the table, I would always try to tidy this.” Edwards also makes sure that the cutlery and used napkins are on the plate so she could help the employee clear away. “I want to role model to my children being considerate of others.”

    However, the coach wouldn’t start sweeping the floor. “I suppose it isn’t a black-and-white situation in that each restaurant will be slightly different. But if they are marketed as a family-friendly place, they should expect a degree of mess.”

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    For parents finding themselves in these situations, Edwards advised to always pick up any larger bits you see lying around or at least offer to do so, “if that feels right to you.”

    “If at any point you feel you are being made to do something you are uncomfortable with, I would try to calmly say so. Perhaps make a note not to visit that restaurant again if you feel the way you are treated isn’t how you would like to be.”

    “We are all human and sometimes staff have had a bad day and forget that families are only human too, so however you respond, I hope we can all do it with a little kindness,” Edwards concluded.

    The story sparked a heated discussion in the comments. Many readers criticized the mom and said that parents should always tidy up after their kids

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    While others defended the woman and noted it was rude of the employee to hand out cleaning tools to a paying customer

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    Lisa
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm thinking maybe these moms make a bigger mess than they are admitting and don't really purchase items.

    Beck
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. She says herself that her kid is "screaming". I used to be a waitress. I bet it is at least 3 or 4 women that come in every week, leave the place a mess. Noone wants to sit next to them so if you have sections, they are the only ones in your section. They probably only ever eat something small and coffee, and it is their home brought snacks all over the floor. Since they did not order much, the tip was tiny, AND they sat their from lunch time till they had to get older kids from school at 3. I can see it now. They prob leave $3 for 3 hours. And leave a huge mess.

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    Libstak
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if these mothers of babies that make these messes leave a decent tip?

    Minath
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is from the UK where leaving a tip is a bonus rather than a necessity, it's less common in a cafe than a restaurant as well.

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    Brendan
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Parents should clean up after their kids, but they can't leave it spotless. We do as much as we can when we eat out with our kids (including picking food up off the floor), but we don't carry a mop and bucket around with us.

    Sonja
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I went out with my nephews and niece endless times, even when they are little. I've never experienced something like this. But my nephews and niece really only ever left a few dry crumbs, never a real mess. But lately I was out with a friend and her baby and what she called a few crumbs was a cookie explosion I'd be ashamed to let my siblings kids make in a cafe. Some moms are really messy and don't see the problem. Far beyond what's reasonable. No one expects people to leave everything spotless. But if it's not possible to remove it with a short swipe with a broom you have made an unreasonable mess.

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    Kharyss
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having worked in catering I’ve seen parents walk away from what is basically a food fight without even an apology. Food on the floor, the walls, the seats of chairs. Everywhere! If you can’t control your kids enough to stop them throwing their food around, you shouldn’t bring them out to eat. I have no objection to cleaning up a few crumbs or dropped napkins etc. But some parents take the absolute p!ss.

    BluEyedSeoulite
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I stopped eating out for about a year with my youngest because she was so messy at restaurants. But I've seen other parents who didn't even bring a diaper bag for their toddler. Toddler do what bored toddlers do and they left a giant mess. I always feel bad for the staff, they literally don't get paid enough

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    Gozer LeGozerian
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having a kid does not mean you're excused from cleaning up if it makes a mess

    NopedOut
    Community Member
    3 years ago

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    When adults spill things do the waiters hand them the dustpan? Part of the expense of eating out is being served. No dishes, no cleanup. You shouldn't trash the place on purpose but spills are cleaned up for you. It only takes up an extra minute to clean up a babies mess. It's the trade-off in attracting families to your restaurant.

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    Black Pearl
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the cafe is probably just sick of this group of mothers with loud, messy babies coming in once a week. I'm assuming they don't often clean up after making messes and the staff is unhappy with it. I also bet that the mother is downplaying the mess her baby made.

    Patricia Keith
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I worked there I would most definitely hate to see that bunch walk thru the door go to McDonald's grab some kid meals go to park let kids eat and play and you chat about the next thing that comes up and throw away the trash in trash cans.

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    birdhouse
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As an adult, if you were to drop food on the floor you would pick it up. Why is it ok to leave it on the floor if a child does it?

    NopedOut
    Community Member
    3 years ago

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    In a restaurant if you spill something, the restaurant always cleans it up for you. It's part of the attraction to spend more on their food than saving and making the same thing at home.

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    Caryle
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah I’m with the guy who said if there was a bunch of babies in a restaurant he would immediately leave and the woman posting her grievance already said her baby was screaming in cranky how about don’t subject anybody to that that’s trying to have a nice lunch how about you meet in somebody’s house and then you can trash their house or clean their house as you see fit but don’t subject people to a big group of babies for crying out loud in a restaurant, that’s not what family friendly means,I’m sure the whole staff groans every time one of these groups come in

    Patricia Keith
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I myself hate to hear a baby screaming forever or a lot of loud talking and laughing exspecially at Waffle House they laugh out loud about everything and mock people .I went to a Mexican Restaurant the woman who worked there had a child who got up got fries and a water sat down and the mom was talking to a FedEx ground guy four Mexican men came in ordered beer and food this little girl was jumping around wanting the men's attention pulled up her pants leg to show her boo bo and then a Mexican couple came in mom was talking a 1000 words per minute and loud so loud people outside probably heard her by the time I left there my head was hurting and had to take a goody powder and I will not go back there again the older I get the more loud talking and laughing hurts my ears so I don't visit these places anymore.They need to be considerate of the customers eating trying to enjoy a meal instead of listening to a bunch of monkeys in a zoo.

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    Atlasheld
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s unreasonable to bring a screaming teething baby to any sort of restaurant. Family friendly or not. Further, if the baby makes a giant mess then yes parents need to pick it up. If an adult went in there and threw food all over the floor they’d be kicked out. Their job isn’t to pick up after a baby.

    mm65851
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the message from the staff, is that they are not welcome - noisy, not purchasing much, probably overstaying their welcome and not great tippers. Just a guess. I also have waitressed and many times parents just let their babies and toddlers tear up food and napkins, etc. and make huge messes because it's keeping them quiet and occupied. Kids don't want to sit around a cafe for hours... I question that the mess was only a 'few bits'. I think it was way worse, or the management was actually trying to deter the group from visiting again. I also think people should at least attempt to clean up or offer to clean up, but most places (if they really wanted to keep them as customers) would say 'No'.

    Rahul Pawa
    Community Member
    3 years ago

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    Lisa
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm thinking maybe these moms make a bigger mess than they are admitting and don't really purchase items.

    Beck
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. She says herself that her kid is "screaming". I used to be a waitress. I bet it is at least 3 or 4 women that come in every week, leave the place a mess. Noone wants to sit next to them so if you have sections, they are the only ones in your section. They probably only ever eat something small and coffee, and it is their home brought snacks all over the floor. Since they did not order much, the tip was tiny, AND they sat their from lunch time till they had to get older kids from school at 3. I can see it now. They prob leave $3 for 3 hours. And leave a huge mess.

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    Libstak
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if these mothers of babies that make these messes leave a decent tip?

    Minath
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is from the UK where leaving a tip is a bonus rather than a necessity, it's less common in a cafe than a restaurant as well.

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    Brendan
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Parents should clean up after their kids, but they can't leave it spotless. We do as much as we can when we eat out with our kids (including picking food up off the floor), but we don't carry a mop and bucket around with us.

    Sonja
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I went out with my nephews and niece endless times, even when they are little. I've never experienced something like this. But my nephews and niece really only ever left a few dry crumbs, never a real mess. But lately I was out with a friend and her baby and what she called a few crumbs was a cookie explosion I'd be ashamed to let my siblings kids make in a cafe. Some moms are really messy and don't see the problem. Far beyond what's reasonable. No one expects people to leave everything spotless. But if it's not possible to remove it with a short swipe with a broom you have made an unreasonable mess.

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    Kharyss
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having worked in catering I’ve seen parents walk away from what is basically a food fight without even an apology. Food on the floor, the walls, the seats of chairs. Everywhere! If you can’t control your kids enough to stop them throwing their food around, you shouldn’t bring them out to eat. I have no objection to cleaning up a few crumbs or dropped napkins etc. But some parents take the absolute p!ss.

    BluEyedSeoulite
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I stopped eating out for about a year with my youngest because she was so messy at restaurants. But I've seen other parents who didn't even bring a diaper bag for their toddler. Toddler do what bored toddlers do and they left a giant mess. I always feel bad for the staff, they literally don't get paid enough

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    Gozer LeGozerian
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having a kid does not mean you're excused from cleaning up if it makes a mess

    NopedOut
    Community Member
    3 years ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    When adults spill things do the waiters hand them the dustpan? Part of the expense of eating out is being served. No dishes, no cleanup. You shouldn't trash the place on purpose but spills are cleaned up for you. It only takes up an extra minute to clean up a babies mess. It's the trade-off in attracting families to your restaurant.

    Load More Replies...
    Black Pearl
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the cafe is probably just sick of this group of mothers with loud, messy babies coming in once a week. I'm assuming they don't often clean up after making messes and the staff is unhappy with it. I also bet that the mother is downplaying the mess her baby made.

    Patricia Keith
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I worked there I would most definitely hate to see that bunch walk thru the door go to McDonald's grab some kid meals go to park let kids eat and play and you chat about the next thing that comes up and throw away the trash in trash cans.

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    birdhouse
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As an adult, if you were to drop food on the floor you would pick it up. Why is it ok to leave it on the floor if a child does it?

    NopedOut
    Community Member
    3 years ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    In a restaurant if you spill something, the restaurant always cleans it up for you. It's part of the attraction to spend more on their food than saving and making the same thing at home.

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    Caryle
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah I’m with the guy who said if there was a bunch of babies in a restaurant he would immediately leave and the woman posting her grievance already said her baby was screaming in cranky how about don’t subject anybody to that that’s trying to have a nice lunch how about you meet in somebody’s house and then you can trash their house or clean their house as you see fit but don’t subject people to a big group of babies for crying out loud in a restaurant, that’s not what family friendly means,I’m sure the whole staff groans every time one of these groups come in

    Patricia Keith
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I myself hate to hear a baby screaming forever or a lot of loud talking and laughing exspecially at Waffle House they laugh out loud about everything and mock people .I went to a Mexican Restaurant the woman who worked there had a child who got up got fries and a water sat down and the mom was talking to a FedEx ground guy four Mexican men came in ordered beer and food this little girl was jumping around wanting the men's attention pulled up her pants leg to show her boo bo and then a Mexican couple came in mom was talking a 1000 words per minute and loud so loud people outside probably heard her by the time I left there my head was hurting and had to take a goody powder and I will not go back there again the older I get the more loud talking and laughing hurts my ears so I don't visit these places anymore.They need to be considerate of the customers eating trying to enjoy a meal instead of listening to a bunch of monkeys in a zoo.

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    Atlasheld
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s unreasonable to bring a screaming teething baby to any sort of restaurant. Family friendly or not. Further, if the baby makes a giant mess then yes parents need to pick it up. If an adult went in there and threw food all over the floor they’d be kicked out. Their job isn’t to pick up after a baby.

    mm65851
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the message from the staff, is that they are not welcome - noisy, not purchasing much, probably overstaying their welcome and not great tippers. Just a guess. I also have waitressed and many times parents just let their babies and toddlers tear up food and napkins, etc. and make huge messes because it's keeping them quiet and occupied. Kids don't want to sit around a cafe for hours... I question that the mess was only a 'few bits'. I think it was way worse, or the management was actually trying to deter the group from visiting again. I also think people should at least attempt to clean up or offer to clean up, but most places (if they really wanted to keep them as customers) would say 'No'.

    Rahul Pawa
    Community Member
    3 years ago

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