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This Fast-Food Restaurant Reignites Hiring Debate After This Woman Reveals That They Pay Their Workers $20 Per Hour
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This Fast-Food Restaurant Reignites Hiring Debate After This Woman Reveals That They Pay Their Workers $20 Per Hour

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Talks about work and salary can be a very delicate ones. But having in mind the problems that the employment industry faces, it becomes something worth discussing. A recent debate was started by TikTok user @missadriennek after she posted a video revealing the working conditions at Dick’s Drive-In.

In her video, the woman shows one of Dick’s fast-food restaurants located in Kent, Washington. The TikToker explained that there are 15 workers in total, making the restaurant fully staffed, as well as pointing out that these workers earn $20 an hour. The video and her comments soon started a heated discussion online about work wages and labor shortage.

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Labor shortage is known to be one of the most serious problems in the employment industry

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The TikTok video that now has almost 775k views shows the woman in one of Dick’s fast-food restaurants. She had already received her order and was looking around and showing how the restaurant was operating. The TikToker commented on her order that consisted of two cheeseburgers, a Deluxe cheeseburger, two orders of fries, a milkshake, and a float, all for $20. She also noted how short the lines were because the restaurant was fully staffed and ready to take take care of people’s orders.

A TikTok user decided to share how one fast-food chain tackles this problem by paying their workers $20 per hour

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By giving more information about Dick’s working conditions, the woman addressed two closely related problems that the employment industry faces, those being labor shortage and low minimum wage. It is known that this particular fast-food restaurant pays one of the highest wages in the fast-food industry. To compare, the minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. The minimum wage in Washington is $13.69, according to Statista.

The woman shared what she received from the restaurant as well as pointing out that the place is fully staffed

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Being able to pay more than the minimum wage sounds like a good thing, but a lot of people in the comments were thinking otherwise. Some of them thought that this would lead to increasing the prices of the food, so this is why the creator of the video showed what she was able to get for $20. The restaurant and its president Jasmine Donovan shared a letter where she explained the logic behind all the benefits they are providing to their employees. It is also known that for this to work, the restaurant had to increase their prices by 5 to 25 cents.

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While some TikTok users pointed out that there is no labor shortage but rather “a cheap labor shortage,” there were people who couldn’t understand why this type of job requires paying a pretty solid wage. They were soon shut down by people who understand how hard this job actually is and that everyone’s time matters, so this is why they should get reasonable pay for this.
What do you think about this situation? Don’t forget to leave your thoughts in the comments down below!

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This video started a discussion online where people pointed out that the labor shortage wouldn’t exist if people got reasonable wages

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Some of the TikTok users didn’t agree with workers being paid $20 as it isn’t their “career”

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The arguments to keep people from earning a livable wage are pathetic. Only in the US people are obsessed with what other people that they don't even know, earn. If someone can make $20 per hour flipping burgers and you make $19 per hour with your college degree, you shouldn't be angry at the burger guy making more than you. You should be angry at the employer paying you less than him.

Happy_Pandalover
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

totally agreed. Though i don‘t think this is an US only problem. I‘m happy for everyone, who makes 20$ per hour. Great for them!

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Chris Munro
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't understand the mentality of people who are mad because other people are being paid well.

The Scout
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Demanding others to get paid less is a way to feel superior. Had a collegue (mate would be too strong a word) in high school who always took this approach: when his grades were not as expected, he did not complain about his grades, but demanded others to be graded worse in comparison. Most teachers gave in and changed his grades to the better to avoid having to demote the others. As you can imagine, this collegue was universally liked...

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ChickyChicky
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This idea that it shouldn't pay more because it was "meant for a 16 year-old, not a career" just disgust me. If you work full-time, you should be able to afford a modest one bedroom apartment, utilities, and food. Work is work, stop degrading it. You degrade and devalue the person's time spent making food for you, and then wonder why they don't want to make food for you.

Elisabeth Harris
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It also assumes every 16 year old is living some sort of charmed and pampered life. Considering half the kids in high school I knew back then didn’t even live at home for a whole host of reasons thinking teens don’t need a living wage is some frou frou bourgeoisie nonsense.

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Earl Grey
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The reasons for the US labor shortage are many. A large percentage of older workers retired early during the pandemic. Child care disappeared, so somebody had to stay home. Jobs don’t offer benefits, which is what employees need, especially health care. Jobs don’t offer full-time hours, so you can’t pay your bills. Jobs don’t offer flexible hours for personal needs, like doctor appointments. The pandemic unemployment payments ended quite a while ago. Many customer-facing jobs are just too stressful and abusive to make the effort worthwhile for a lot of people. Etc., etc.

Thorfin Wolfsbane
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

St. Paul says "those who do not work, should not eat". American conservative evangelicals say f**k that, even if you do work, you shouldn't eat!

Chris Munro
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's so weird how all these "let the market dictate the wages" people are upset that the market is actually dictating wages.

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Potato
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These jobs aren't easy. They are incredibly stressful. Additionally, if these workers are kids in school, then they DEFINITELY should be getting a living wage because college is EXPENSIVE. I had to pay for tuition plus food and housing. I couldn't find an employer willing to hire an undergrad FT, so instead I worked 3 PT jobs aside from my classes to afford university. It would have been great if I could have found this job and only worked the one job as a student. My grades would have been better and I wouldn't have slept through class. Or on the road between commutes...

Norart
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3 years ago

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Who said the kid is going to college? That's a choice. She may also be financing a BMW at $800/month. That's also a choice. I have a choice too, and if a burger cost the same as a steak at another restaurant I will choose the steak.

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Furious George
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People don't seem to understand that when the minimum wage was implemented, it was the equivalent of $24 / hour now. I have a Master's and my equivalent salary was equal to what minimum wage used to be. Businesses did just fine then and they can do so now. The living and working conditions that this country has accepted are abysmal.

Patti Vance
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i have a family member who insists ppl aren't working low wage jobs because they are getting 'free' money via unemployment, stimulus, etc. when i point out that there has been no stimulus & pandemic unemployment benefit program has ended then he says higher wages causing increased prices. well, kind of because wage/profit has to balance. finally was able to get him to understand that many who used to work low wage did things during lockdown that made them realize their own worth such as starting own business, online classes, & just the ability to be able to job search for better paying jobs when lockdown ended as you can't afford to take days off to look for new job. those fast food jobs at the old min. wage was fine for high schools students for extra cash but no one could afford to live off those wages without having to consider applying for supportive programs such as snap. now that ppl have realized their worth they need to push for form of universal healthcare as that is a right.

Potato
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unemployment is temporary and you have to show proof that you are applying for jobs. It also maxes out at $500 a week in my state. I hate that argument.

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Shayda
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate the argument that "it's a 16 year old first job" who do they think is training those 16 year old? You really want to leave a food business entirely to teenagers? No? Then pay the adults who work there a living wage. And some 16 year olds are saving for college, to move out, for a car, paying their own cell bill or gas money. Why shouldn't 16 year olds be paid the same as an adult?

Yvette Desmarais
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Supply and demand. If people aren't willing to trade their time for the amount you are paying, you need to pay more.

Laura MG
Community Member
3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Recently, Seattle had a heavy windstorm. A fine-dining, five star restaurant lost power for the first time in 70 years, with a dining room full of hungry people. Who did they go to to feed those people? D***s Drive In!

Eliska Klimentova
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I heard someone saying: “Nobody wanted to work to begin with, that’s the point of paying us. We’ve just become more expensive. If you can’t afford us, tough s**t”. Nobody dreams of career in fast dining, so don’t be shocked you have to incentivize people somehow to work for you.

I I
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

USA is one big grift to me , seems like no one ;likes others to succeed even though thats the American dream is it not ? if big corps and big pharma played fair y'all would be a whole lot happy and better off financially , you just to demand the same for others as you want for yourself

An Co
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is how capitalism works, people. If you offer to buy something and people say no - for WHATEVER reason - you raise the price till they say yes. Does not matter if the government is preventing people from starving to death by giving away barely enough food to live on, or if they are paying unemployed people huge salaries to not work. Still have to raise your offer, either way. Trying to get the government to change it's policies to help your business is never the right move, even if the government is wrong. You are competing with the other businesses and the best businesses will always survive and the worst ones will always die.

Marcellus II
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The stupidest thing is the naysayers at the end "Don't they realise that the Spady family is one of the richest?" --- what's the argument, you think they lose money on the restaurant and have it open just as a hobby?! No, they've paid well above norm for 2 generations and have grown rich of that... And "$20 an hour but for how many hours, maybe just 30h/week?" --- so they'd earn a normal wage and still have 20h in their week left to spend on themselves/kids/house... And there were 15 staff around when filming, surely some are fulltime some are halftime.

Joe Reaves
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that was actually aimed at the people saying oh well they'll go bust in a year or two because that's not sustainable. They're saying dude they've been doing this since the 50s and they've got rich by doing it, so it does work.

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Ronald Morrison
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jeff Bezos makes $13.4 MILLION per HOUR. I think that is out of line too! Working people deserve as much as they can get.

Hugo Raible
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Complaining about a wage that renders the restaurants fully functional (as opposed to lower paying ones) is anti-capitalist and anti-free market. If your intention is to tell the restaurant that they should define the wage based on some agenda and pay lower, you're a communist and Un-American, shame on you! ;)

Philler Space
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The idea that a fast food place is for skill-less teenagers making pocket money rests on three outdated concepts: 1) the job market is open enough that teens are the only workers available for menial work, 2) those teenagers are doing this work for extra pocket money and not as a supplemental or primary breadwinner, 3) the business staffs well enough that "unreliable" teens are not necessary for the business to function, just as backup help cleaning/waiting/etc.

LunaLovegood987
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Washington and try to make a point of only going here for fast food. Not worth supporting businesses that don't support their workers! Their fries are amazing too 😁

Jenn C
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If fast food jobs were truly "intended for 16 year olds," they would be closed during the school day, right? Stop making excuses.

Aeon Flux
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is actually not where the debate is at all. Minimum wage in this country does not provide for any decent standard of living in this country.

Leo Domitrix
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is no shortage of workers. There is a shortage of workers willing to continue putting up with sh*t wages and sh*t conditions. There's also some indications that ocmpanies aren't hiring specifically to save the money.

Jaime Hendrickson
Community Member
3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My issue is with other people who say that noone should expect to work at fast food as a career and be able to live on the wages. If in America you work a full time job it should be able to pay for rent or a mortgage, food, and your Bill's. Some people cant just get a better job or are college material. I mean just for instance (and in no way am I saying all fast food workers are mentally impaired) say you arent very smart. You do well at mcdonalds flipping the burgers and are great at your job. You arent interested in going to college. Just because you arent as smart as another person does that mean you cant have a place to Iive, food to eat, A phone to use, etc. Does someone who has a higher IQ deserve to eat and others do not? The fact that we have to argue this point,is just sad.

J Robertson
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

D***s is an institution. Seattle also has a minimum wage of $16.69 which is still a good wage. For the owners to bump it up further is awesome. Hell, I work in an office and make $19 an hour. Minimum wage where I live is $12.75.

J Robertson
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why did BP censor the name of the burger joint? That's messed up. Yes I'll say ticked up but they'll censor that too.

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Gary Geracci
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This extends to regular sit down restaurants like Montana Mike's (Texas) and say Red Lobster.They wouldn't have to lean on you for tips if they paid reasonable wages. I remember working at one of this nations Then best haute Cuisine restaurants in L.A. while stationed in Long Beach. I worked the Evening shift four days a week. $4.45 an hour plus tips. Of course my tips (shared) yes Shared made it worth it, it still was demeaning. That I had to hope my tips would help me pay the rent on an apartment off base for my family because base housing was full(What hadn't been condemned!) Turns out thanks to Folks from Hollywood looking for a private place to eat with close friends and family away from the then press netted me usually $200.00 a nite after sharing! A Good BUS team was worth the sharing. Those two never let me look bad. So I shared well!

BJ Goins
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone said the $20 an hour doesn't matters if they "only" work 25 to 30 hours a week! Did they fail remedial math?

Let's Be Real
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kent WA Average 1 bedroom apartment 1560 Average home price 580,500 20$ @ 40 hours is 3200 IF you are full time THIS IS NOT A LIVING WAGE! IT IS MINIMUM WAGE COMPARED TO THE COST OF LIVING!

Stephanie Keith
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You shouldn't make $16 an hour and a job that is made for the younger people? Seriously? As if those people being young shouldn't be able to live and have what they need as well. It's insane that human beings don't see how awful they are. No one's talking about a life of luxury. Just for people to work and earn enough to be able to have our basic needs met. But I guess a lot of people don't think we should have that. A 16 year old deserves to live and eat too. We all deserve to be able to make it through the next day, week, month, and year. People are so worried that another human being is going to get more money than them. When in reality it's just people wanting to eat, have shelter, water, and be healthy. But money is a tool to get the things we all need to literally stay alive. And knowing that anyone out here doesn't want another human being to eat drink have shelter and be healthy it's just sad. Because that's basically what you're against, not wanting people to have food water shelter and healthcare. It's not the money you are denying people it's sustenance. Well you're denying people the money too but it's the natural resources we all need to live and thrive, not the money. How can you be upset that a person wants food, water, shelter and healthcare? Because that's what they want and need to survive. The money is a means to that end and you want people to starve, be homeless, and unhealthy and that's so wrong. Yet people don't even see it.

Susie
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thing is, if you can't afford to pay your employees a livable wage, you can't afford to run a business. Period.

Barbara Skolly
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fast food industry is a terrible spiral. In North America people are addicted to fast and cheap food. Many people do not even make their own morning coffee, they buy it. It has created a lot of jobs but all crappy ones. Some fast food restaurant owners are rich but many are only rich if they own multiple franchises. People want a society with better jobs but don't want to pay more for their fast food or cut back. When our governments look and jobs created and unemployment rates they don't look at wages. I

Kris K
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait- there's more. D**k's also pays their employees if they volunteer in communities AND do scholarships. They've been in business for decades, have had excellent food and service too. Usually it's kids in college who work there but there are people who work full time. That company takes care of their employees and their customers and it shows. All you naysayers do not know what you're talking about. I've been going there since the late 70s when it was down the street from my Grandmother's house in Wallingford.

Elisabeth Harris
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

16 year olds should get paid 20$ an hour for their first job so they never settle for anything less. This weird attitude of making the youth suffer because…it builds character or I suffered so why shouldn’t they is so backwards.

Leo Domitrix
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. It's like not having free university and free healthcare (or at least good ones for tiny tiny tiny fees, like some EU nations). It's only hurting the future!

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Truth Monster
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, there is a difference between minimum wage and livable wages. you cannot legislate businesses into being good businesses to their workers. I'm for livable wages but against minimum wage hikes, as it will never equal a living wage.

Elisabeth Harris
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m mean yeah a living wage is technically 28$ they’re doing better than the 15$ democrats pretended to suggest before the election, and better than not give at all. But the lowballing is bad negotiation on the part of working people who like don’t wanna freeze or starve and struggle more than necessary.

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Yoinks!
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Do you want to know why you're (sic) living cost (sic) and everything around you is so freaking expensive Seattle is a fail" Oof.

Paradise
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will have D***s over In N Out any day. Oh, that sounds bad. Now I am craving D**k's but am too far away!

Felicia Dale
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

D**k’s is one of the few fast food places I’d consider eating at because the food is good and the workers get paid a real wage.

Benji
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of course the negative comments would have someone named "bubbajay" and have an American flag ....

Jennifer Germain
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

coffee shop and bakery have always had signs that they pay a living wage, a little more expensive but worth every penny. In business for years now.

Jennifer Germain
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

better worker retention. I have a coffee shop and bakery near me, sign in the window says they pay their staff living wages. if my loaf of bread or coffee costs me an extra dollar or two, no problem.

Roxy Eastland
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People "shouldn't" make that much per hour? What a bizarre comment! The employer can pay what they want. It's enough for staff to want to work there and tenable for the business. What's "shouldn't" about it?

NoneYa41
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of these jobs are being converted to tech; kiosks, self check-out, app based etc. So complain all you want, these jobs are going away. Best of luck on your plan B

SAF saf
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love how these business's fail to acknowledge to business that are fully staffed and profitable. They know once they increase pay they'll never be able to lower it or raise prices.

Rench
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our local Culver's is starting people at $14. They're always busy during dinner hours and they appear to be fully staffed. At least they always provide good service.

A Jones
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone feeling that michaelrobertson861 is insinuating that people who are younger should be paid less for the same job. It's coming off as ageist.

Danielle Muniah
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In South Africa, when the companies don't rob you, our minimum wage, for factory workers, fast food staff etc. is R20 p/h. With that we can buy a loaf of bread and possible a few sweets. Our work weeks are between 40 to 45 hours a week. So, if you are working a full week, you come out with a princely sum of between R800 to R900, less 1% for unemployment insurance fund. Yes, we value the minimum wage.

Kevin Smith
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The biggest problem with this whole argument is what a person needs on the West Coast or a major city, to live is not what a person in middle America or the Southern states needs to live. The cost of living in an area should dictate the wages, but the cost of living on the West Coast and major cities is 20x that of the average place in the US. You can't base the wages on the highest cost of living areas for the entire country. Problem is when you do base it off the cost of the highest area for the country you raise the cost of living across the US as a whole. It is what has happened every time wages have gone up, the cost of living goes up to match it. We have hundreds of years of data showing that is the case if you take the time to look. Maybe just maybe the major cities need to look at what they are charging for things and realize that it is unsustainable to keep raising the prices. Example a house with materials cost of 100k total to build should not be worth 2 million.

Kylli Anttila
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When the minimum wage goes up and prices go up doesn't it mean the higher income brackets will get a raise too due to increased living costs?

Chris Munro
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I guess you missed the part where this place has been open for decades, has always paid a competitive wage and has always been affordable.

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Angie Taylor
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree, everyone should be paid a living wage. With that said, I will raise hell if I have to work twice as hard for the same amount of money as the dumbass who spends all day talking on her phone, on speaker!

Eliska Klimentova
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

By which you mean raising hell with your employer to pay you what you think you deserve, correct?

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WilvanderHeijden
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The arguments to keep people from earning a livable wage are pathetic. Only in the US people are obsessed with what other people that they don't even know, earn. If someone can make $20 per hour flipping burgers and you make $19 per hour with your college degree, you shouldn't be angry at the burger guy making more than you. You should be angry at the employer paying you less than him.

Happy_Pandalover
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

totally agreed. Though i don‘t think this is an US only problem. I‘m happy for everyone, who makes 20$ per hour. Great for them!

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Chris Munro
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't understand the mentality of people who are mad because other people are being paid well.

The Scout
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Demanding others to get paid less is a way to feel superior. Had a collegue (mate would be too strong a word) in high school who always took this approach: when his grades were not as expected, he did not complain about his grades, but demanded others to be graded worse in comparison. Most teachers gave in and changed his grades to the better to avoid having to demote the others. As you can imagine, this collegue was universally liked...

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ChickyChicky
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This idea that it shouldn't pay more because it was "meant for a 16 year-old, not a career" just disgust me. If you work full-time, you should be able to afford a modest one bedroom apartment, utilities, and food. Work is work, stop degrading it. You degrade and devalue the person's time spent making food for you, and then wonder why they don't want to make food for you.

Elisabeth Harris
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It also assumes every 16 year old is living some sort of charmed and pampered life. Considering half the kids in high school I knew back then didn’t even live at home for a whole host of reasons thinking teens don’t need a living wage is some frou frou bourgeoisie nonsense.

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Earl Grey
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The reasons for the US labor shortage are many. A large percentage of older workers retired early during the pandemic. Child care disappeared, so somebody had to stay home. Jobs don’t offer benefits, which is what employees need, especially health care. Jobs don’t offer full-time hours, so you can’t pay your bills. Jobs don’t offer flexible hours for personal needs, like doctor appointments. The pandemic unemployment payments ended quite a while ago. Many customer-facing jobs are just too stressful and abusive to make the effort worthwhile for a lot of people. Etc., etc.

Thorfin Wolfsbane
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

St. Paul says "those who do not work, should not eat". American conservative evangelicals say f**k that, even if you do work, you shouldn't eat!

Chris Munro
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's so weird how all these "let the market dictate the wages" people are upset that the market is actually dictating wages.

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Potato
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These jobs aren't easy. They are incredibly stressful. Additionally, if these workers are kids in school, then they DEFINITELY should be getting a living wage because college is EXPENSIVE. I had to pay for tuition plus food and housing. I couldn't find an employer willing to hire an undergrad FT, so instead I worked 3 PT jobs aside from my classes to afford university. It would have been great if I could have found this job and only worked the one job as a student. My grades would have been better and I wouldn't have slept through class. Or on the road between commutes...

Norart
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3 years ago

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Who said the kid is going to college? That's a choice. She may also be financing a BMW at $800/month. That's also a choice. I have a choice too, and if a burger cost the same as a steak at another restaurant I will choose the steak.

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Furious George
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People don't seem to understand that when the minimum wage was implemented, it was the equivalent of $24 / hour now. I have a Master's and my equivalent salary was equal to what minimum wage used to be. Businesses did just fine then and they can do so now. The living and working conditions that this country has accepted are abysmal.

Patti Vance
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i have a family member who insists ppl aren't working low wage jobs because they are getting 'free' money via unemployment, stimulus, etc. when i point out that there has been no stimulus & pandemic unemployment benefit program has ended then he says higher wages causing increased prices. well, kind of because wage/profit has to balance. finally was able to get him to understand that many who used to work low wage did things during lockdown that made them realize their own worth such as starting own business, online classes, & just the ability to be able to job search for better paying jobs when lockdown ended as you can't afford to take days off to look for new job. those fast food jobs at the old min. wage was fine for high schools students for extra cash but no one could afford to live off those wages without having to consider applying for supportive programs such as snap. now that ppl have realized their worth they need to push for form of universal healthcare as that is a right.

Potato
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unemployment is temporary and you have to show proof that you are applying for jobs. It also maxes out at $500 a week in my state. I hate that argument.

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Shayda
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate the argument that "it's a 16 year old first job" who do they think is training those 16 year old? You really want to leave a food business entirely to teenagers? No? Then pay the adults who work there a living wage. And some 16 year olds are saving for college, to move out, for a car, paying their own cell bill or gas money. Why shouldn't 16 year olds be paid the same as an adult?

Yvette Desmarais
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Supply and demand. If people aren't willing to trade their time for the amount you are paying, you need to pay more.

Laura MG
Community Member
3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Recently, Seattle had a heavy windstorm. A fine-dining, five star restaurant lost power for the first time in 70 years, with a dining room full of hungry people. Who did they go to to feed those people? D***s Drive In!

Eliska Klimentova
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I heard someone saying: “Nobody wanted to work to begin with, that’s the point of paying us. We’ve just become more expensive. If you can’t afford us, tough s**t”. Nobody dreams of career in fast dining, so don’t be shocked you have to incentivize people somehow to work for you.

I I
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

USA is one big grift to me , seems like no one ;likes others to succeed even though thats the American dream is it not ? if big corps and big pharma played fair y'all would be a whole lot happy and better off financially , you just to demand the same for others as you want for yourself

An Co
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is how capitalism works, people. If you offer to buy something and people say no - for WHATEVER reason - you raise the price till they say yes. Does not matter if the government is preventing people from starving to death by giving away barely enough food to live on, or if they are paying unemployed people huge salaries to not work. Still have to raise your offer, either way. Trying to get the government to change it's policies to help your business is never the right move, even if the government is wrong. You are competing with the other businesses and the best businesses will always survive and the worst ones will always die.

Marcellus II
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The stupidest thing is the naysayers at the end "Don't they realise that the Spady family is one of the richest?" --- what's the argument, you think they lose money on the restaurant and have it open just as a hobby?! No, they've paid well above norm for 2 generations and have grown rich of that... And "$20 an hour but for how many hours, maybe just 30h/week?" --- so they'd earn a normal wage and still have 20h in their week left to spend on themselves/kids/house... And there were 15 staff around when filming, surely some are fulltime some are halftime.

Joe Reaves
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that was actually aimed at the people saying oh well they'll go bust in a year or two because that's not sustainable. They're saying dude they've been doing this since the 50s and they've got rich by doing it, so it does work.

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Ronald Morrison
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jeff Bezos makes $13.4 MILLION per HOUR. I think that is out of line too! Working people deserve as much as they can get.

Hugo Raible
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Complaining about a wage that renders the restaurants fully functional (as opposed to lower paying ones) is anti-capitalist and anti-free market. If your intention is to tell the restaurant that they should define the wage based on some agenda and pay lower, you're a communist and Un-American, shame on you! ;)

Philler Space
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The idea that a fast food place is for skill-less teenagers making pocket money rests on three outdated concepts: 1) the job market is open enough that teens are the only workers available for menial work, 2) those teenagers are doing this work for extra pocket money and not as a supplemental or primary breadwinner, 3) the business staffs well enough that "unreliable" teens are not necessary for the business to function, just as backup help cleaning/waiting/etc.

LunaLovegood987
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Washington and try to make a point of only going here for fast food. Not worth supporting businesses that don't support their workers! Their fries are amazing too 😁

Jenn C
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If fast food jobs were truly "intended for 16 year olds," they would be closed during the school day, right? Stop making excuses.

Aeon Flux
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is actually not where the debate is at all. Minimum wage in this country does not provide for any decent standard of living in this country.

Leo Domitrix
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is no shortage of workers. There is a shortage of workers willing to continue putting up with sh*t wages and sh*t conditions. There's also some indications that ocmpanies aren't hiring specifically to save the money.

Jaime Hendrickson
Community Member
3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My issue is with other people who say that noone should expect to work at fast food as a career and be able to live on the wages. If in America you work a full time job it should be able to pay for rent or a mortgage, food, and your Bill's. Some people cant just get a better job or are college material. I mean just for instance (and in no way am I saying all fast food workers are mentally impaired) say you arent very smart. You do well at mcdonalds flipping the burgers and are great at your job. You arent interested in going to college. Just because you arent as smart as another person does that mean you cant have a place to Iive, food to eat, A phone to use, etc. Does someone who has a higher IQ deserve to eat and others do not? The fact that we have to argue this point,is just sad.

J Robertson
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

D***s is an institution. Seattle also has a minimum wage of $16.69 which is still a good wage. For the owners to bump it up further is awesome. Hell, I work in an office and make $19 an hour. Minimum wage where I live is $12.75.

J Robertson
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why did BP censor the name of the burger joint? That's messed up. Yes I'll say ticked up but they'll censor that too.

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Gary Geracci
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This extends to regular sit down restaurants like Montana Mike's (Texas) and say Red Lobster.They wouldn't have to lean on you for tips if they paid reasonable wages. I remember working at one of this nations Then best haute Cuisine restaurants in L.A. while stationed in Long Beach. I worked the Evening shift four days a week. $4.45 an hour plus tips. Of course my tips (shared) yes Shared made it worth it, it still was demeaning. That I had to hope my tips would help me pay the rent on an apartment off base for my family because base housing was full(What hadn't been condemned!) Turns out thanks to Folks from Hollywood looking for a private place to eat with close friends and family away from the then press netted me usually $200.00 a nite after sharing! A Good BUS team was worth the sharing. Those two never let me look bad. So I shared well!

BJ Goins
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone said the $20 an hour doesn't matters if they "only" work 25 to 30 hours a week! Did they fail remedial math?

Let's Be Real
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kent WA Average 1 bedroom apartment 1560 Average home price 580,500 20$ @ 40 hours is 3200 IF you are full time THIS IS NOT A LIVING WAGE! IT IS MINIMUM WAGE COMPARED TO THE COST OF LIVING!

Stephanie Keith
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You shouldn't make $16 an hour and a job that is made for the younger people? Seriously? As if those people being young shouldn't be able to live and have what they need as well. It's insane that human beings don't see how awful they are. No one's talking about a life of luxury. Just for people to work and earn enough to be able to have our basic needs met. But I guess a lot of people don't think we should have that. A 16 year old deserves to live and eat too. We all deserve to be able to make it through the next day, week, month, and year. People are so worried that another human being is going to get more money than them. When in reality it's just people wanting to eat, have shelter, water, and be healthy. But money is a tool to get the things we all need to literally stay alive. And knowing that anyone out here doesn't want another human being to eat drink have shelter and be healthy it's just sad. Because that's basically what you're against, not wanting people to have food water shelter and healthcare. It's not the money you are denying people it's sustenance. Well you're denying people the money too but it's the natural resources we all need to live and thrive, not the money. How can you be upset that a person wants food, water, shelter and healthcare? Because that's what they want and need to survive. The money is a means to that end and you want people to starve, be homeless, and unhealthy and that's so wrong. Yet people don't even see it.

Susie
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thing is, if you can't afford to pay your employees a livable wage, you can't afford to run a business. Period.

Barbara Skolly
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fast food industry is a terrible spiral. In North America people are addicted to fast and cheap food. Many people do not even make their own morning coffee, they buy it. It has created a lot of jobs but all crappy ones. Some fast food restaurant owners are rich but many are only rich if they own multiple franchises. People want a society with better jobs but don't want to pay more for their fast food or cut back. When our governments look and jobs created and unemployment rates they don't look at wages. I

Kris K
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait- there's more. D**k's also pays their employees if they volunteer in communities AND do scholarships. They've been in business for decades, have had excellent food and service too. Usually it's kids in college who work there but there are people who work full time. That company takes care of their employees and their customers and it shows. All you naysayers do not know what you're talking about. I've been going there since the late 70s when it was down the street from my Grandmother's house in Wallingford.

Elisabeth Harris
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

16 year olds should get paid 20$ an hour for their first job so they never settle for anything less. This weird attitude of making the youth suffer because…it builds character or I suffered so why shouldn’t they is so backwards.

Leo Domitrix
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. It's like not having free university and free healthcare (or at least good ones for tiny tiny tiny fees, like some EU nations). It's only hurting the future!

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Truth Monster
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, there is a difference between minimum wage and livable wages. you cannot legislate businesses into being good businesses to their workers. I'm for livable wages but against minimum wage hikes, as it will never equal a living wage.

Elisabeth Harris
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m mean yeah a living wage is technically 28$ they’re doing better than the 15$ democrats pretended to suggest before the election, and better than not give at all. But the lowballing is bad negotiation on the part of working people who like don’t wanna freeze or starve and struggle more than necessary.

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Yoinks!
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Do you want to know why you're (sic) living cost (sic) and everything around you is so freaking expensive Seattle is a fail" Oof.

Paradise
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will have D***s over In N Out any day. Oh, that sounds bad. Now I am craving D**k's but am too far away!

Felicia Dale
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

D**k’s is one of the few fast food places I’d consider eating at because the food is good and the workers get paid a real wage.

Benji
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of course the negative comments would have someone named "bubbajay" and have an American flag ....

Jennifer Germain
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

coffee shop and bakery have always had signs that they pay a living wage, a little more expensive but worth every penny. In business for years now.

Jennifer Germain
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

better worker retention. I have a coffee shop and bakery near me, sign in the window says they pay their staff living wages. if my loaf of bread or coffee costs me an extra dollar or two, no problem.

Roxy Eastland
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People "shouldn't" make that much per hour? What a bizarre comment! The employer can pay what they want. It's enough for staff to want to work there and tenable for the business. What's "shouldn't" about it?

NoneYa41
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of these jobs are being converted to tech; kiosks, self check-out, app based etc. So complain all you want, these jobs are going away. Best of luck on your plan B

SAF saf
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love how these business's fail to acknowledge to business that are fully staffed and profitable. They know once they increase pay they'll never be able to lower it or raise prices.

Rench
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our local Culver's is starting people at $14. They're always busy during dinner hours and they appear to be fully staffed. At least they always provide good service.

A Jones
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone feeling that michaelrobertson861 is insinuating that people who are younger should be paid less for the same job. It's coming off as ageist.

Danielle Muniah
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In South Africa, when the companies don't rob you, our minimum wage, for factory workers, fast food staff etc. is R20 p/h. With that we can buy a loaf of bread and possible a few sweets. Our work weeks are between 40 to 45 hours a week. So, if you are working a full week, you come out with a princely sum of between R800 to R900, less 1% for unemployment insurance fund. Yes, we value the minimum wage.

Kevin Smith
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The biggest problem with this whole argument is what a person needs on the West Coast or a major city, to live is not what a person in middle America or the Southern states needs to live. The cost of living in an area should dictate the wages, but the cost of living on the West Coast and major cities is 20x that of the average place in the US. You can't base the wages on the highest cost of living areas for the entire country. Problem is when you do base it off the cost of the highest area for the country you raise the cost of living across the US as a whole. It is what has happened every time wages have gone up, the cost of living goes up to match it. We have hundreds of years of data showing that is the case if you take the time to look. Maybe just maybe the major cities need to look at what they are charging for things and realize that it is unsustainable to keep raising the prices. Example a house with materials cost of 100k total to build should not be worth 2 million.

Kylli Anttila
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When the minimum wage goes up and prices go up doesn't it mean the higher income brackets will get a raise too due to increased living costs?

Chris Munro
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I guess you missed the part where this place has been open for decades, has always paid a competitive wage and has always been affordable.

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Angie Taylor
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree, everyone should be paid a living wage. With that said, I will raise hell if I have to work twice as hard for the same amount of money as the dumbass who spends all day talking on her phone, on speaker!

Eliska Klimentova
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

By which you mean raising hell with your employer to pay you what you think you deserve, correct?

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