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“I Just Don’t Know If I Want To Marry Her Anymore”: Man Disappointed In Fiancée After House Fire
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“I Just Don’t Know If I Want To Marry Her Anymore”: Man Disappointed In Fiancée After House Fire

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Getting married is an important decision that deserves a lot of careful thought—after all, it’s a promise to share a lifetime together, for better or worse.

For one Redditor, however, a recent and rather unusual experience forced him to reconsider whether his fiancée was truly the right match. During an unexpected house fire, she lost her composure and was quickly overtaken by panic and fear.

And just like that, he began wondering if she was really ‘wife material’ after all.

During an unexpected house fire, the man’s fiancée lost her composure, quickly overtaken by panic and fear

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And just like that, he found himself wondering if she was really ‘wife material’ after all

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Why we react the way we do during emergencies

We can’t always predict how we’ll react in a crisis—whether it’s a friend choking at dinner or an earthquake shaking the city. Some people spring into action, some are gripped by panic like OP’s fiancée, while others might freeze altogether.

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But what is it that makes our responses so different? Innovation advisor Russell Shilling, who has served as the American Psychological Association’s chief scientific officer and was a Navy aerospace experimental psychologist, shares some insights on the topic in a conversation with Fast Company.

According to Shilling, our reactions to danger are shaped by our past experiences and what we perceive as threats. “If you’re primed to be afraid of flying, you’re more likely to have a strong reaction to things going on in an airplane, such as turbulence,” he says. But in a situation such as a fire, your response could take on another form entirely.

When people freeze in an emergency, it’s often because they’re stuck in fight-or-flight mode. “You’re trying to find a plan on how to react,” but thinking clearly becomes difficult as the limbic system isn’t functioning properly. “You basically look like you’re freezing, but your mind is trying to plan your way through it,” Shilling explains.

This is is actually considered one of the most natural and common ways people behave. During a stabbing incident on London Bridge in the UK, for example, an off-duty police officer who tackled the attackers recalled that many bystanders were standing still, like “deer in the headlights.”

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However, the good news is, it’s possible to teach yourself to stay calmer under pressure. Although it’s not easy, training can help replace automatic, unhelpful responses with actions that could save your life. “If you’ve been heavily trained, you’ve already got a set of responses that you’re ready to use, so you don’t have to spend a lot of that time [thinking about what to do]. Your training kicks in,” says Shilling.

For instance, whenever Shilling attends a large event with his family, they discuss and set up an emergency plan so everyone knows what to expect. This includes locating exits, noting the crowd size, and avoiding unnecessary anxiety.

Training and preparation, Shilling says, “can give [us] a sense of control.” It’s hard to say how we’ll act in a tough moment, but we can practice responses that’ll help us stay grounded if we ever need them.

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Commenters encouraged him to break up—not for his sake, but for hers

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One user chimed in with a personal story, reminding everyone that it’s hard to predict how any of us will react in a crisis

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Kyiv-born, Vilnius-dwelling writer with a suitcase full of curiosity. My Master's in International Communication fuels my love for exploring different stories. Whether I'm putting pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard), you might catch me out and about with my film camera, cycling around, or on a quest for the perfect coffee spot. Occasionally seen trying to find inner peace on the yoga mat.

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Kyiv-born, Vilnius-dwelling writer with a suitcase full of curiosity. My Master's in International Communication fuels my love for exploring different stories. Whether I'm putting pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard), you might catch me out and about with my film camera, cycling around, or on a quest for the perfect coffee spot. Occasionally seen trying to find inner peace on the yoga mat.

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Hi there! I am a Visual Editor at Bored Panda. My job is to ensure that all the articles are aesthetically pleasing. I get to work with a variety of topics ranging from all the relationship drama to lots and lots of memes and, my personal favorites, funny cute cats. When I am not perfecting the images, you can find me reading with a cup of matcha latte and a cat in my lap, taking photos (of my cat), getting lost in the forest, or simply cuddling with my cat... Did I mention that I love cats?

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Susie Elle
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can't control how you react in a state of panic.

V
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My MIL talks about being a teacher a lot. She's dealt with all sorts of injuries - broken bones, seizures, heads split open, etc... when my now husband broke his arm she was a full on mess and another teacher had to help him.

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Roberta Surprenant
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I lost all respect for OP reading this. Agreed that he should just marry his sister.

Petra Peitsch
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yaps, I maintain my calm in panic-situations. Partly because my personality, but mostly because of my work I was trained to do this, from sinking ships to fires. Somebody who was never trained for it, can loose easily act like OP's fiance, if he/she is not "cold-blooded". OP, however acted very badly to her meltdown. First of all, you secure yourself, second, you get everybody out safe, following the given and proved to be efficient protocols. Third, you call your country's emergency number. Fourth and last is to try and help, being a house-fire or a car accidwnt or a heart attack. If you are not a firefighter or a medical pro, all you can do, not cause more harm.

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Pandora
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once you lose respect for someone, it's difficult to get it back. You may find yourself resenting her in the future. Sit down and speak with her about it, in an open way, explain how it made you feel and why. Ask her why she reacted the way she did. Perhaps there is a past trauma, that caused such a reaction. Try counselling. If all else fails, call it quits. Hopefully you can both find better matching partners.

HTakeover
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good response. How someone handles an emergency isn't always under their control as others above commented. It may be that this is a deal-breaker for him and that's ok too. What I can't tell is if he's a genuine a$shole, or if he's just ignorant about people and emergencies. There was a similar reddit a couple of years ago about a group of friends on a boat that had a small engine fire. The gf/fiance also went into full panic mode, except she was actively grabbing onto people and screaming bloody murder, while the guys (all experienced boaters) ran around dealing with it, and genuinely made the situation dangerous for all involved. He asked the same questions as here, but eventually understood that people don't always have control over themselves in those situations. In his case, he accepted she wasn't wrong for it, nor was he wrong to feel this was an important compatibility point for him. He ended up breaking up with her after some long talks... can't remember how she took it.

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rullyman
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Being faced with a fire is incredibly overwhelming and a primal fear. Most people would panic in some sense. I'm guessing, from the fire extinguisher use and the comments of "we're trapped" that the fire was between you and the exit? Pretty normal to freak out in that situation

Ace
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You know on some other threads the word c u n t is sometimes used in a friendly way, but sometimes is the strongest swearword imaginable? This is one of those latter occasions.

CanadianDimes
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've lost all respect for OP for being a tool and a douche canoe.

Mia Black
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am one that usually freeze when something happens although I took years of self defence classes if that counts. One time I wasn't able to call emergency or do first aid when my little sister nearly died on the street (car bicycle crash). Another time I was able to grab the child of a friend who submerged in dark water whereas the mom froze and everyone else were still processing where the kids is. Another time I just could hide in the house and comfort the dogs after an explosion and seeing my dad in the flames and smoke. my mom and partner got outside and I was so full of fear of more fire, injuries, another explosion but I couldn't think of taking my phone (thankfully nobody was injured). All situations still haunt me. Your never know how you will react. And I have no driver's licence because I don't trust me to react quick and right. (Edit spelling)

Debbie
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Have my upvote. Sometimes feeling / being the outsider (like with the kid drowning) makes it easier to act. I do think reactions can be retrained - if you know practise every month with a fire extuingisher, it is a bit more muscle memory and maybe next time a fire happens and you see a fire extingisher there is a bigger chance you move automatically. But to be able to train it, you need to either know you freeze up, or you need to train for lots and lots of situations. But "paralyzed by fear" is common and not something to feel guilty of.

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Mammie
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She could've been traumatized at some point and Susie Elle is right, you never know how you'll react in panic. A little girl in grade school died in a fire and it still freaks me out about fire. That being said, he should not marry her. If he's willing to break up with her over this, he doesn't really love her and wasn't going to take his wedding vows to heart anyway.

Crouching hippo hidden panda
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was my thought. Marriage is a serious commitment and involves a lot of love and compassione and mutual respect. It doesn’t sound like he possesses any of those sentiments if he’s so quick to pull the trigger on ending the relationship. He never should have proposed, and yes she deserves better

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Amelia Jade
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Man, people are hilarious. Everyone's all, "I would be calm and rational and wouldn't panic because I'm such a better person." Get the f**k out of there with that. The truth is, you have no idea how you'd react. Just because you've been calm in other situations, doesn't mean you'd be calm in this one. This girl had a HUMAN response. She was woken from a dead sleep and told she was in a fire. So, not only is she in danger but she's probably not fully coherent. You know what, most people are going to panic in some way. I'd argue that OP and his sister are the idiots. I was always taught you get out ASAP. You don't take time to get towels and try to contain the fire. Anyway, anyone criticizing this woman for being human is a git.

Earonn -
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But in a situation when HE breaks down, it will be "naturally" and "just such an extreme situation". I hope she drops that s**t so he can f**k and marry his sister, his one true love.

Traveling Lady Railfan
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know people all react differently in times of emergency (even when trained for it), but I'd be reconsidering my future with this person too. I would make her go to first aid classes and other emergency preparation courses with me as a regular (every couple years when the certificate expires) thing at the very least.

Susie Elle
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're talking about knowing what to do when you're calm and able to think in a high-stress situation. OPs partner panicked. There's no rationalizing panic, what she needs to learn (if possible) is to not panic in the first place.

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BrownEyedPanda
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If OP is so put off by the way his fianceé reacted to a house fire, I'd LOVE to see HIS reaction to a good-sized quake, like the kind we have here in California. Grown men who would wrestle a full-grown bear have turned into shrieking schoolgirls when the ground shook and buildings swayed. OP says that he was "disappointed" in his fiancé's reaction. Did it ever occur to him that she might be disappointed in HIM? Disappointed in the fact that 1) he minimalized how she felt, and 2) his sister seems to be running the show? The fianceé can do better than OP. A LOT better.

BoredPangolin
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised at how so many people are harsh with the guy. I'm a woman, I have good / constructive stress response and I do also get upset at people making themselves useless in a crisis situation. Maybe we're too sheltered these days and don't get to practice enough. It's not just that the fiancee didn't help, it's also that she might have died if on her own. As a partner or friend, I might have just rolled my eyes at her, but as a parent, I get cold sweat. My daughter (and sons) need to be able to face stressful situations and immediate danger if only to save themselves! Maybe it's something you learn. In any case, it would be a strong cause for concerns too. I wouldn't break up for that reason alone but I would want to work on it with her because indeed, what happens when there's a situation like this again?

Seedy Vine
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand the desire to not want to be around people who have demonstrated that they can't help others or even themselves in dangerous situations. OP can't help how he feels any more than his fiancée could. I don't feel like they're a match.

Nina
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It wasn't pretty the way she reacted, but this is just how some people react to danger. Loads of people do the same. Maybe doing an escape plan with her would be the next step. Or just break up, it's really pathetic that he lost respect for her for fearing for her life.

Debbie
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This would be a good approach - make an escape plan with her and teach her what to do in case of a fire. Knowing and having confidence in knowing how to act, and knowing your role in emergency situations, can make a huge difference.

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Aline
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People keep arguing how you react in a stressful situation is not under your control, I think after the I itial response that's not true, but even if it were much of what we find attractive in a partner is not under their control. Looks, scent, what their coirce sounes like. So even if i accepted that how you react in a crisis isn't revealing about your character, there's no reason it shouldnt be just as valid as any other preference in a partner. And because it directly related to survival, I would argue it's more valid. That's why the love interest in movies go for the hero and ditch the coward. Good in a crisis is hot and continually screaming we are all going to die for fifteen minutes is a definite ick.

The Big Bad
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I usually am the one who's calm and collected in case of emergency. However, my kid accidentally cut herself recently and I just froze. Couldn't even do the most basic thing like stop the bleeding. I went total idiot. There's a great movie about a guy who leaves his family behind when an avalanche hits: "Force Majeure". Sometimes people panic, sometimes the same people are awesome. You never know what you're gonna do, so don't judge too fast.

Amused panda
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It isn't about how she reacted, it is about he feels. He feels that someone experiencing a natural (flight, freeze or fright) response isn't going to be the right partner for him. Which says they aren't the right partners for each other. But whilst some people are more overt in their panic, what is interesting is none of them phoned 911 until the sister had the fiancée safely outside - sounds like someone is in denial about their own panic impacting their actions & decision making.

Secret Squirrel
Community Member
3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm honestly not sure why people are so upset at OP. It's one of the oldest tropes in storytelling for the live interest to fall out of love with a coward and fall in love with a hero. Is it just that the gender norms are swapped? If you find out your partner is not who you want to spend the rest of your life with, breaking up is the correct course. Crisis management isn't a deal breaker for everyone, but clearly it is for OP. He's not abandoning a wife and child, just figuring out that she's not the right partner for him.

Yu Pan
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'll admit I'm terrible dealing with stress and can prone to panic, which would be why I'd want a partner who can be calm and collected to balance me out. For that reason, I'd say if I'm Op, I'll break up with my partner because I don't want added stress when I'm already in a state of panic and can't think straight.

Roger Simmons
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a 4 year military veteran and 14 year first responder, I can honestly tell OP that he is the jerk. Step 1 is to get everyone to safety before worrying about trying to be a hero, and that includes yourself. Your job in a panic situation is not to fight the fire first, but to make sure that everyone is safely out of the situation.

The Starsong Princess
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fiancée panicked and did the wrong thing but so did op so he should get down off his high horse. For anything more than a very minor fire, you evacuate and call 911. You don’t play fireman. I think this whole group needs to practice fire drills - remember, you need two exits. Fires are terrifying - a few nights ago, one of the neighboring townhouse buildings burned down so I am a bit sensitive right now. I live about 100 ft away but my cat woke me up. There was a lot of smoke so I put my cat in his carrier and prepared to evacuate but it didn’t come to that. But nine families were left homeless. Fortunately, no one was killed or hurt because they got out when the smoke alarms went off, some still in their pajamas. Yes, there was some hysterical screaming but i certainly don’t think that makes someone a bad person.

Aline
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It doesn't make her a bad person, but it means sheas not the right person for him. Or a good choice to be looking after kids, and he may be thinking about that. Most break ups aren't because someone is a bad person, finding your person is a lot more specific. Useless in a crisis is a valid deal breaker, but it doesn't mean she's an awful person

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roddy
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now imagine if they had children and she behaved this way in an emergency. Kids would not be safe with her. Instead of calling for an ambulance, she'd be running around screaming. NTA

Debbie
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't know that. Sometimes because you have to take care of others, you forget your own fear.

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FluffyDreg
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When you have someone your supposed to love, and all you can do is criticize everything they did... while there's another person and you write them out as a hero who can do no wrong, and are going to leave your partner because they give you the advice you should... it really reads like you are in love with one of the two people, and it's not your fiancee

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weatherwitch
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1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He wakes up and yells for his fiancee and sister to wake up and tells them We Need to Get Out. He then starts with His sister "trying to contain the fire as we were trying to figure out how to escape." So the fire was BAD enough for them to have to try work out How to get out!! "She started crying and screaming that we were going to die and that we were trapped." Gods, I wonder what gave her That idea that you were Trapped and had no obvious way of the Fire which for that statement, has to be extremely bad. "she was just panicking too much and she was just not acting rationally." Well yeah mate, she's trapped in a fire with two f*****g Morons. "My sister pulled her to safety and called 911. Once I got the fire under control enough to safely leave, I joined them outside." Because he wasn't Capable of getting her out?? And he being a Complete Prick and going against Everything the fire brigade tell you Not to do, thought he could handle it. Man, you could have killed your fiancee!!!

weatherwitch
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is so much about Panic, no-one reacts the same and no-one even reacts the same in the same situation that they might have faced before. So many people on aircraft die instead of getting out safely because they're in Shock. Then the smoke gets them and it's too late to escape unless someone else gets them. He seriously let his fiancee Down and he needs to free her so she can have someone who appreciates her and doesn't belittle her for what is completely natural.

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K. LNU
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've tackled a car fire (not mine thankfully) I just happen to have an extinguisher in my car and helped get mother and child out; been shot at (military vet here) and even had to perform CPR on a teen after he was pulled from a rip tide. However, one spider the size of a dime on my kitchen wall had me frozen. We all have our triggers and just may not know what they are until it happens. To me, it sounds like he is looking for a way out of the relationship. It's like that one story where the woman saw her man crying (can't remember what it was about) but she was disgusted by his emotions. I think this is also someone looking for a way out and blaming the partner for not "upholding" themselves to OPs standards so OPs don't look like the bad guys.

Kellynn D
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5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

so... let me get this straight: a fire happens in the middle of the night, the 3 of you get woken up, and you now think your fiancee was the only one in the wrong because she panicked? you and your sister did everything wrong from the start, with the exception of your sister putting a wet towel over her face and getting your fiancee out. of course your fiancee is going to freak, when instead of doing the right thing by calling 911 while getting the hell out, you instead STAY, don't call 911, and try and fight a fire first. yes, that IS how people get trapped and die, doing stupid things. your sister then returns? no, you and your sister are the idiots that should have no respect. by your actions you could have made things far worse for the firefighters. idiots...

Julia French
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should postpone marriage until respect & trust can be regained. Without trust & respect love dies.

AR
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our son choked on food two times and my husband froze while I was able to do the Heimlich both times. I don’t look down on my husband at all. He’s reacted differently in other emergency situations, and I know that sometimes people panic and lose all focus. That it’s something that can’t be controlled. I’m usually able to hyperfocus during an emergency but there could come a time I freeze. Fear is a hell of mental state to deal with.

Schmebulock
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You should start random fires to test her! (LOL, just kidding)

Lola July
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My husband was usually around when one of our toddlers got seriously injured, so I tended to panic slightly. Except when alone with my 6 month old son and he found a penny to choke on. I immediately tipped him over and whacked his back forcing that penny to fly out of his mouth. I can not stand to see someone bleeding! Physically I become extremely squeamish, I also feel faint and it hurts. My daughter sliced her foot opened, she wanted me with her while getting stitches. Then I went to call her father and passed out in the reception area!

Lantana Howell
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What would she do in a crisis if you had children together and you weren't there? They're are ways to learn how to manage in emergent situations.

Aline
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't spend my life with someone who can't delay the fall apart reaction of a panic attack until it's safe. If you've don't that little work on yourself, if you've never taught yourself to deal with stress safely and kindly (no punching walls or hurling abuse), you aren't really ready for being in a relationship, let alone things like driving a car or caring for children.

FluffyDreg
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's not something people can control. You can try to force yourself to be in stressful situations to build that tolerance... but tbh I think most places frown upon you setting a fire to your own house so you can get better at handling emergency scenarios.

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RP
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3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I kind of get it. You need to feel safe with your partner in a very physical way as well as emotional. If my partner were to panic like that I'd definitely lose at least some of my attraction to them.

Jamie Mayfield
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why on Earth is the sister being consulted about her opinion of her brother's future spouse like that? It is not the sister's place to say her brother should leave a loving relationship over a very natural reaction to an emergency. Also, part of that story really doesn't add up, so they needed to fight the fire to escape, there were no other ways out like a window or other door, but upon seeing the fiancee panic, magically the sister was able to help get the fiancee out yet the brother could not exit the home with them at this same time? Sounds like they tried to contain the fire themselves instead of leaving immediately or seeking away out in which case I would freak out too because you can't fight huge fires in modern houses like that, they are built out of really cheap and very flammable material along with all the garbage furniture sold these days. That is what insurance is for so stop playing the hero and just get out of the house. Smells some lies.

Aline
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's pretty common to discuss marriage plans with your family. It's pretty common to discuss how people reacted to a situation (emergency or non emergency, how did they react to a bully or any random encounter) with other people who are there. You're really trying to find strangeness in the guy is facing a big decision and discussed it with someone bes close to.

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tori Ohno
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA, big time. Did it ever occur to you that this might be something she's been through, and it triggered something? Or maybe she needs a plan so she knows what to do? Have you made a survival plan? Car accident, fire, choking, a break in, etc etc.? What have YOU done to plan for emergencies so there's no panic? Nothing? But you want to throw a good person away because she didn't know what to do? Why don't you try helping her? Or are you lying when you say you love her?

CBolt
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hmm - wonder if your fiancée isn't composing her own post saying she's lost respect for you since you were too busy playing hero-firefighter to get her to safety when she was so frightened she couldn't think She's not confident that she could count on you to think of her safety & that of any future children in an emergency when you might be too busy playing superhero instead.

María Hermida
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6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dude, you are a complete, total, utter a*****e. The biggest a*****e I've heard of in a very long time. Some people panic in an emergency. They can't control it and they don't do it on purpose. That's why in many countries there are frequent emergency drills for "expected" disasters, so that people learn what to do automatically and don't have to stop and think... because PEOPLE PANIC and don't think. Some people may even be dealing with the trauma of previous catastrophes, where they they were injured or lost their loved ones. AND THEY F*****G PANIC. Your fiancée obviously needs to learn to deal with emergencies, but I do think you must break up. Now. She needs a person that helps her deal with whatever may happen, not an a*****e like you who would dump her because she doesn't fulfill your expectations. You are looking for an excuse to dump her, really. You don't care about her in the least. You are a pathetic human being.

P.L. Packer
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I were the OP's fiance, I would tell him goodbye and he can live with his sister happily ever after. They deserve each other.

toxxic
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she might have an actual fire phobia as well.

Nemo
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those people who are emotionally neglected and are now using extreme independence as a coping mechanism, that's this dude. He's not in touch with his emotions and he can't handle dealing with hers either

Svenne O'Lotta
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP should definitely marry his sister. But it's not about the fiancee being bad in a crisis. It's about her actively making the situation WORSE. You don't know how you'll react until you're in the situation, and freezing, fauning, fleeing is all good but FIGHTING the people trying to save you and sabotaging them isn't. And yes, that's what she did by yelling "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" while other people were dealing with the situation. She couldn't even get herself out. I'd be disappointed too.

Aline
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How you deal or don't deal with panic is the same as how you deal or don't deal with any other intense emotion. An adult that just gives in to lizard brain will do the same with anger and lash out. Everyone feels fear and panic, that's biology, but what's she going to do if so eone cuts her off in traffic, crash the car? Or if you are fighting and she just goes blind rage? Will she attack, throw things? She's not taking any steps to show she's taking responsibility and will do better. For many of us that's decidedly unattractive.

Secret Squirrel
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We haven't all faced fire, but we've all been in dangerous situations. This girl didn't need a moment to pull herself together, she just gave up and didn't help the group survive. Not the kind of person I would trust.

FluffyDreg
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No we have not all been in dangerous situations. Yes she acted poorly, but thats why her fiancee should encourage her, support her in learning how to do better in these situations. Emergency scenarios are not things people are born knowing how to do. Unless you end up in them it's impossible to tell how you'd react. That why its a skill to learn and develope.

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Voice of reason?
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1 week ago

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I hope OP does break up with his fiancee. He will sure not be reliable "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health", etc. She deserves better than this douchebag and his overly involved sister.

Elizabeth Whitehill
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What an a*s. And the way he mentioned what if we had kids. I would absolutely panic and freeze if it were just me. But believe if my kids were in a house fire, nothing would come between me and getting them out.

FreeTheUnicorn
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If you want kids, definitely break up. If you don't, it's up to you if you want someone who has conditioned herself to behave this way. Reacting in an emergency is much less about any innate bravery/determination, and almost completely what you've trained yourself to do. Every time you face an urgent situation, even a small one, you reinforce the reaction. She's been building this for years. I wouldn't want someone like that to raise children, because not only are there definitely going to be urgent situations with kids, but also if they cue off her, they will be the same, Una le to take care of themselves and others. Reacting to emergencies is just down to whatever you've trained yourself to do over the years. She's trained herself to scream and take no responsibility for her situation. It's very telling.

Tamra
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's just not true for everyone. I've seen the most self-possessed, stalwart people absolutely freeze up and panic in an emergency, and the most anxiety-ridden, self-doubting person completely rise to the occasion. This woman's reaction in that moment cannot be taken as a total judgement of how she would be as a parent.

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Susie Elle
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can't control how you react in a state of panic.

V
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My MIL talks about being a teacher a lot. She's dealt with all sorts of injuries - broken bones, seizures, heads split open, etc... when my now husband broke his arm she was a full on mess and another teacher had to help him.

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Roberta Surprenant
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I lost all respect for OP reading this. Agreed that he should just marry his sister.

Petra Peitsch
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yaps, I maintain my calm in panic-situations. Partly because my personality, but mostly because of my work I was trained to do this, from sinking ships to fires. Somebody who was never trained for it, can loose easily act like OP's fiance, if he/she is not "cold-blooded". OP, however acted very badly to her meltdown. First of all, you secure yourself, second, you get everybody out safe, following the given and proved to be efficient protocols. Third, you call your country's emergency number. Fourth and last is to try and help, being a house-fire or a car accidwnt or a heart attack. If you are not a firefighter or a medical pro, all you can do, not cause more harm.

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Pandora
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once you lose respect for someone, it's difficult to get it back. You may find yourself resenting her in the future. Sit down and speak with her about it, in an open way, explain how it made you feel and why. Ask her why she reacted the way she did. Perhaps there is a past trauma, that caused such a reaction. Try counselling. If all else fails, call it quits. Hopefully you can both find better matching partners.

HTakeover
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good response. How someone handles an emergency isn't always under their control as others above commented. It may be that this is a deal-breaker for him and that's ok too. What I can't tell is if he's a genuine a$shole, or if he's just ignorant about people and emergencies. There was a similar reddit a couple of years ago about a group of friends on a boat that had a small engine fire. The gf/fiance also went into full panic mode, except she was actively grabbing onto people and screaming bloody murder, while the guys (all experienced boaters) ran around dealing with it, and genuinely made the situation dangerous for all involved. He asked the same questions as here, but eventually understood that people don't always have control over themselves in those situations. In his case, he accepted she wasn't wrong for it, nor was he wrong to feel this was an important compatibility point for him. He ended up breaking up with her after some long talks... can't remember how she took it.

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rullyman
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Being faced with a fire is incredibly overwhelming and a primal fear. Most people would panic in some sense. I'm guessing, from the fire extinguisher use and the comments of "we're trapped" that the fire was between you and the exit? Pretty normal to freak out in that situation

Ace
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You know on some other threads the word c u n t is sometimes used in a friendly way, but sometimes is the strongest swearword imaginable? This is one of those latter occasions.

CanadianDimes
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've lost all respect for OP for being a tool and a douche canoe.

Mia Black
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am one that usually freeze when something happens although I took years of self defence classes if that counts. One time I wasn't able to call emergency or do first aid when my little sister nearly died on the street (car bicycle crash). Another time I was able to grab the child of a friend who submerged in dark water whereas the mom froze and everyone else were still processing where the kids is. Another time I just could hide in the house and comfort the dogs after an explosion and seeing my dad in the flames and smoke. my mom and partner got outside and I was so full of fear of more fire, injuries, another explosion but I couldn't think of taking my phone (thankfully nobody was injured). All situations still haunt me. Your never know how you will react. And I have no driver's licence because I don't trust me to react quick and right. (Edit spelling)

Debbie
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Have my upvote. Sometimes feeling / being the outsider (like with the kid drowning) makes it easier to act. I do think reactions can be retrained - if you know practise every month with a fire extuingisher, it is a bit more muscle memory and maybe next time a fire happens and you see a fire extingisher there is a bigger chance you move automatically. But to be able to train it, you need to either know you freeze up, or you need to train for lots and lots of situations. But "paralyzed by fear" is common and not something to feel guilty of.

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Mammie
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She could've been traumatized at some point and Susie Elle is right, you never know how you'll react in panic. A little girl in grade school died in a fire and it still freaks me out about fire. That being said, he should not marry her. If he's willing to break up with her over this, he doesn't really love her and wasn't going to take his wedding vows to heart anyway.

Crouching hippo hidden panda
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was my thought. Marriage is a serious commitment and involves a lot of love and compassione and mutual respect. It doesn’t sound like he possesses any of those sentiments if he’s so quick to pull the trigger on ending the relationship. He never should have proposed, and yes she deserves better

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Amelia Jade
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Man, people are hilarious. Everyone's all, "I would be calm and rational and wouldn't panic because I'm such a better person." Get the f**k out of there with that. The truth is, you have no idea how you'd react. Just because you've been calm in other situations, doesn't mean you'd be calm in this one. This girl had a HUMAN response. She was woken from a dead sleep and told she was in a fire. So, not only is she in danger but she's probably not fully coherent. You know what, most people are going to panic in some way. I'd argue that OP and his sister are the idiots. I was always taught you get out ASAP. You don't take time to get towels and try to contain the fire. Anyway, anyone criticizing this woman for being human is a git.

Earonn -
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But in a situation when HE breaks down, it will be "naturally" and "just such an extreme situation". I hope she drops that s**t so he can f**k and marry his sister, his one true love.

Traveling Lady Railfan
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know people all react differently in times of emergency (even when trained for it), but I'd be reconsidering my future with this person too. I would make her go to first aid classes and other emergency preparation courses with me as a regular (every couple years when the certificate expires) thing at the very least.

Susie Elle
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're talking about knowing what to do when you're calm and able to think in a high-stress situation. OPs partner panicked. There's no rationalizing panic, what she needs to learn (if possible) is to not panic in the first place.

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BrownEyedPanda
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If OP is so put off by the way his fianceé reacted to a house fire, I'd LOVE to see HIS reaction to a good-sized quake, like the kind we have here in California. Grown men who would wrestle a full-grown bear have turned into shrieking schoolgirls when the ground shook and buildings swayed. OP says that he was "disappointed" in his fiancé's reaction. Did it ever occur to him that she might be disappointed in HIM? Disappointed in the fact that 1) he minimalized how she felt, and 2) his sister seems to be running the show? The fianceé can do better than OP. A LOT better.

BoredPangolin
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised at how so many people are harsh with the guy. I'm a woman, I have good / constructive stress response and I do also get upset at people making themselves useless in a crisis situation. Maybe we're too sheltered these days and don't get to practice enough. It's not just that the fiancee didn't help, it's also that she might have died if on her own. As a partner or friend, I might have just rolled my eyes at her, but as a parent, I get cold sweat. My daughter (and sons) need to be able to face stressful situations and immediate danger if only to save themselves! Maybe it's something you learn. In any case, it would be a strong cause for concerns too. I wouldn't break up for that reason alone but I would want to work on it with her because indeed, what happens when there's a situation like this again?

Seedy Vine
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand the desire to not want to be around people who have demonstrated that they can't help others or even themselves in dangerous situations. OP can't help how he feels any more than his fiancée could. I don't feel like they're a match.

Nina
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It wasn't pretty the way she reacted, but this is just how some people react to danger. Loads of people do the same. Maybe doing an escape plan with her would be the next step. Or just break up, it's really pathetic that he lost respect for her for fearing for her life.

Debbie
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This would be a good approach - make an escape plan with her and teach her what to do in case of a fire. Knowing and having confidence in knowing how to act, and knowing your role in emergency situations, can make a huge difference.

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Aline
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People keep arguing how you react in a stressful situation is not under your control, I think after the I itial response that's not true, but even if it were much of what we find attractive in a partner is not under their control. Looks, scent, what their coirce sounes like. So even if i accepted that how you react in a crisis isn't revealing about your character, there's no reason it shouldnt be just as valid as any other preference in a partner. And because it directly related to survival, I would argue it's more valid. That's why the love interest in movies go for the hero and ditch the coward. Good in a crisis is hot and continually screaming we are all going to die for fifteen minutes is a definite ick.

The Big Bad
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I usually am the one who's calm and collected in case of emergency. However, my kid accidentally cut herself recently and I just froze. Couldn't even do the most basic thing like stop the bleeding. I went total idiot. There's a great movie about a guy who leaves his family behind when an avalanche hits: "Force Majeure". Sometimes people panic, sometimes the same people are awesome. You never know what you're gonna do, so don't judge too fast.

Amused panda
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It isn't about how she reacted, it is about he feels. He feels that someone experiencing a natural (flight, freeze or fright) response isn't going to be the right partner for him. Which says they aren't the right partners for each other. But whilst some people are more overt in their panic, what is interesting is none of them phoned 911 until the sister had the fiancée safely outside - sounds like someone is in denial about their own panic impacting their actions & decision making.

Secret Squirrel
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3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm honestly not sure why people are so upset at OP. It's one of the oldest tropes in storytelling for the live interest to fall out of love with a coward and fall in love with a hero. Is it just that the gender norms are swapped? If you find out your partner is not who you want to spend the rest of your life with, breaking up is the correct course. Crisis management isn't a deal breaker for everyone, but clearly it is for OP. He's not abandoning a wife and child, just figuring out that she's not the right partner for him.

Yu Pan
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'll admit I'm terrible dealing with stress and can prone to panic, which would be why I'd want a partner who can be calm and collected to balance me out. For that reason, I'd say if I'm Op, I'll break up with my partner because I don't want added stress when I'm already in a state of panic and can't think straight.

Roger Simmons
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a 4 year military veteran and 14 year first responder, I can honestly tell OP that he is the jerk. Step 1 is to get everyone to safety before worrying about trying to be a hero, and that includes yourself. Your job in a panic situation is not to fight the fire first, but to make sure that everyone is safely out of the situation.

The Starsong Princess
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fiancée panicked and did the wrong thing but so did op so he should get down off his high horse. For anything more than a very minor fire, you evacuate and call 911. You don’t play fireman. I think this whole group needs to practice fire drills - remember, you need two exits. Fires are terrifying - a few nights ago, one of the neighboring townhouse buildings burned down so I am a bit sensitive right now. I live about 100 ft away but my cat woke me up. There was a lot of smoke so I put my cat in his carrier and prepared to evacuate but it didn’t come to that. But nine families were left homeless. Fortunately, no one was killed or hurt because they got out when the smoke alarms went off, some still in their pajamas. Yes, there was some hysterical screaming but i certainly don’t think that makes someone a bad person.

Aline
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It doesn't make her a bad person, but it means sheas not the right person for him. Or a good choice to be looking after kids, and he may be thinking about that. Most break ups aren't because someone is a bad person, finding your person is a lot more specific. Useless in a crisis is a valid deal breaker, but it doesn't mean she's an awful person

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roddy
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now imagine if they had children and she behaved this way in an emergency. Kids would not be safe with her. Instead of calling for an ambulance, she'd be running around screaming. NTA

Debbie
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't know that. Sometimes because you have to take care of others, you forget your own fear.

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FluffyDreg
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When you have someone your supposed to love, and all you can do is criticize everything they did... while there's another person and you write them out as a hero who can do no wrong, and are going to leave your partner because they give you the advice you should... it really reads like you are in love with one of the two people, and it's not your fiancee

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weatherwitch
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1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He wakes up and yells for his fiancee and sister to wake up and tells them We Need to Get Out. He then starts with His sister "trying to contain the fire as we were trying to figure out how to escape." So the fire was BAD enough for them to have to try work out How to get out!! "She started crying and screaming that we were going to die and that we were trapped." Gods, I wonder what gave her That idea that you were Trapped and had no obvious way of the Fire which for that statement, has to be extremely bad. "she was just panicking too much and she was just not acting rationally." Well yeah mate, she's trapped in a fire with two f*****g Morons. "My sister pulled her to safety and called 911. Once I got the fire under control enough to safely leave, I joined them outside." Because he wasn't Capable of getting her out?? And he being a Complete Prick and going against Everything the fire brigade tell you Not to do, thought he could handle it. Man, you could have killed your fiancee!!!

weatherwitch
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1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is so much about Panic, no-one reacts the same and no-one even reacts the same in the same situation that they might have faced before. So many people on aircraft die instead of getting out safely because they're in Shock. Then the smoke gets them and it's too late to escape unless someone else gets them. He seriously let his fiancee Down and he needs to free her so she can have someone who appreciates her and doesn't belittle her for what is completely natural.

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K. LNU
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've tackled a car fire (not mine thankfully) I just happen to have an extinguisher in my car and helped get mother and child out; been shot at (military vet here) and even had to perform CPR on a teen after he was pulled from a rip tide. However, one spider the size of a dime on my kitchen wall had me frozen. We all have our triggers and just may not know what they are until it happens. To me, it sounds like he is looking for a way out of the relationship. It's like that one story where the woman saw her man crying (can't remember what it was about) but she was disgusted by his emotions. I think this is also someone looking for a way out and blaming the partner for not "upholding" themselves to OPs standards so OPs don't look like the bad guys.

Kellynn D
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5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

so... let me get this straight: a fire happens in the middle of the night, the 3 of you get woken up, and you now think your fiancee was the only one in the wrong because she panicked? you and your sister did everything wrong from the start, with the exception of your sister putting a wet towel over her face and getting your fiancee out. of course your fiancee is going to freak, when instead of doing the right thing by calling 911 while getting the hell out, you instead STAY, don't call 911, and try and fight a fire first. yes, that IS how people get trapped and die, doing stupid things. your sister then returns? no, you and your sister are the idiots that should have no respect. by your actions you could have made things far worse for the firefighters. idiots...

Julia French
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should postpone marriage until respect & trust can be regained. Without trust & respect love dies.

AR
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our son choked on food two times and my husband froze while I was able to do the Heimlich both times. I don’t look down on my husband at all. He’s reacted differently in other emergency situations, and I know that sometimes people panic and lose all focus. That it’s something that can’t be controlled. I’m usually able to hyperfocus during an emergency but there could come a time I freeze. Fear is a hell of mental state to deal with.

Schmebulock
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You should start random fires to test her! (LOL, just kidding)

Lola July
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My husband was usually around when one of our toddlers got seriously injured, so I tended to panic slightly. Except when alone with my 6 month old son and he found a penny to choke on. I immediately tipped him over and whacked his back forcing that penny to fly out of his mouth. I can not stand to see someone bleeding! Physically I become extremely squeamish, I also feel faint and it hurts. My daughter sliced her foot opened, she wanted me with her while getting stitches. Then I went to call her father and passed out in the reception area!

Lantana Howell
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What would she do in a crisis if you had children together and you weren't there? They're are ways to learn how to manage in emergent situations.

Aline
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't spend my life with someone who can't delay the fall apart reaction of a panic attack until it's safe. If you've don't that little work on yourself, if you've never taught yourself to deal with stress safely and kindly (no punching walls or hurling abuse), you aren't really ready for being in a relationship, let alone things like driving a car or caring for children.

FluffyDreg
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's not something people can control. You can try to force yourself to be in stressful situations to build that tolerance... but tbh I think most places frown upon you setting a fire to your own house so you can get better at handling emergency scenarios.

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RP
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3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I kind of get it. You need to feel safe with your partner in a very physical way as well as emotional. If my partner were to panic like that I'd definitely lose at least some of my attraction to them.

Jamie Mayfield
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why on Earth is the sister being consulted about her opinion of her brother's future spouse like that? It is not the sister's place to say her brother should leave a loving relationship over a very natural reaction to an emergency. Also, part of that story really doesn't add up, so they needed to fight the fire to escape, there were no other ways out like a window or other door, but upon seeing the fiancee panic, magically the sister was able to help get the fiancee out yet the brother could not exit the home with them at this same time? Sounds like they tried to contain the fire themselves instead of leaving immediately or seeking away out in which case I would freak out too because you can't fight huge fires in modern houses like that, they are built out of really cheap and very flammable material along with all the garbage furniture sold these days. That is what insurance is for so stop playing the hero and just get out of the house. Smells some lies.

Aline
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's pretty common to discuss marriage plans with your family. It's pretty common to discuss how people reacted to a situation (emergency or non emergency, how did they react to a bully or any random encounter) with other people who are there. You're really trying to find strangeness in the guy is facing a big decision and discussed it with someone bes close to.

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tori Ohno
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA, big time. Did it ever occur to you that this might be something she's been through, and it triggered something? Or maybe she needs a plan so she knows what to do? Have you made a survival plan? Car accident, fire, choking, a break in, etc etc.? What have YOU done to plan for emergencies so there's no panic? Nothing? But you want to throw a good person away because she didn't know what to do? Why don't you try helping her? Or are you lying when you say you love her?

CBolt
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hmm - wonder if your fiancée isn't composing her own post saying she's lost respect for you since you were too busy playing hero-firefighter to get her to safety when she was so frightened she couldn't think She's not confident that she could count on you to think of her safety & that of any future children in an emergency when you might be too busy playing superhero instead.

María Hermida
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6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dude, you are a complete, total, utter a*****e. The biggest a*****e I've heard of in a very long time. Some people panic in an emergency. They can't control it and they don't do it on purpose. That's why in many countries there are frequent emergency drills for "expected" disasters, so that people learn what to do automatically and don't have to stop and think... because PEOPLE PANIC and don't think. Some people may even be dealing with the trauma of previous catastrophes, where they they were injured or lost their loved ones. AND THEY F*****G PANIC. Your fiancée obviously needs to learn to deal with emergencies, but I do think you must break up. Now. She needs a person that helps her deal with whatever may happen, not an a*****e like you who would dump her because she doesn't fulfill your expectations. You are looking for an excuse to dump her, really. You don't care about her in the least. You are a pathetic human being.

P.L. Packer
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I were the OP's fiance, I would tell him goodbye and he can live with his sister happily ever after. They deserve each other.

toxxic
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she might have an actual fire phobia as well.

Nemo
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those people who are emotionally neglected and are now using extreme independence as a coping mechanism, that's this dude. He's not in touch with his emotions and he can't handle dealing with hers either

Svenne O'Lotta
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP should definitely marry his sister. But it's not about the fiancee being bad in a crisis. It's about her actively making the situation WORSE. You don't know how you'll react until you're in the situation, and freezing, fauning, fleeing is all good but FIGHTING the people trying to save you and sabotaging them isn't. And yes, that's what she did by yelling "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" while other people were dealing with the situation. She couldn't even get herself out. I'd be disappointed too.

Aline
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How you deal or don't deal with panic is the same as how you deal or don't deal with any other intense emotion. An adult that just gives in to lizard brain will do the same with anger and lash out. Everyone feels fear and panic, that's biology, but what's she going to do if so eone cuts her off in traffic, crash the car? Or if you are fighting and she just goes blind rage? Will she attack, throw things? She's not taking any steps to show she's taking responsibility and will do better. For many of us that's decidedly unattractive.

Secret Squirrel
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We haven't all faced fire, but we've all been in dangerous situations. This girl didn't need a moment to pull herself together, she just gave up and didn't help the group survive. Not the kind of person I would trust.

FluffyDreg
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No we have not all been in dangerous situations. Yes she acted poorly, but thats why her fiancee should encourage her, support her in learning how to do better in these situations. Emergency scenarios are not things people are born knowing how to do. Unless you end up in them it's impossible to tell how you'd react. That why its a skill to learn and develope.

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Voice of reason?
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1 week ago

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I hope OP does break up with his fiancee. He will sure not be reliable "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health", etc. She deserves better than this douchebag and his overly involved sister.

Elizabeth Whitehill
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1 week ago

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What an a*s. And the way he mentioned what if we had kids. I would absolutely panic and freeze if it were just me. But believe if my kids were in a house fire, nothing would come between me and getting them out.

FreeTheUnicorn
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1 week ago

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If you want kids, definitely break up. If you don't, it's up to you if you want someone who has conditioned herself to behave this way. Reacting in an emergency is much less about any innate bravery/determination, and almost completely what you've trained yourself to do. Every time you face an urgent situation, even a small one, you reinforce the reaction. She's been building this for years. I wouldn't want someone like that to raise children, because not only are there definitely going to be urgent situations with kids, but also if they cue off her, they will be the same, Una le to take care of themselves and others. Reacting to emergencies is just down to whatever you've trained yourself to do over the years. She's trained herself to scream and take no responsibility for her situation. It's very telling.

Tamra
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's just not true for everyone. I've seen the most self-possessed, stalwart people absolutely freeze up and panic in an emergency, and the most anxiety-ridden, self-doubting person completely rise to the occasion. This woman's reaction in that moment cannot be taken as a total judgement of how she would be as a parent.

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