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Woman’s Bathroom Break-In Leaves Her In Tears, Man Asks If He Overreacted
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Woman’s Bathroom Break-In Leaves Her In Tears, Man Asks If He Overreacted

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Many people are insecure about their looks. They might not like how their bodies look, or they might just be unhappy with a feature or two, like their nose or legs. Surveys show that 20% of adults feel ashamed of their bodies. Although other people might not even see it, we can always find something we don’t like about ourselves.

For this person, it was his body hair. Because he opted to regularly shave it, he usually took a long time in the shower. His GF grew suspicious of what he might be doing in there, so she decided to pick the bathroom lock and see. Panic and shouting ensued, and after a fight, the guy was confused about whether his reaction to this invasion of privacy was appropriate or if his GF was right to get mad.

We reached out to the Founder of Man For Himself, Robin James. He is an expert on male grooming, hair, and fragrance, and he has kindly agreed to tell Bored Panda more about the reasons why some men choose to shave and how important privacy is for these kinds of things.

We also asked Researcher Michael Kehler to weigh in on the broader topic of men’s body image issues. Kehler is an associate professor at the Faculty of Education at the University of Calgary and a researcher in Masculinities. He told us more about the psychological impact of body hair on men and why awareness about men’s body image issues is so important.

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A guy found himself in a relationship dilemma because his showers took too long

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After his GF violated his privacy, he decided to ask people whether his reaction was inappropriate

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Men’s grooming habits are becoming more and more accepted by the public

A researcher in the field of Masculinities, Michael Kehler, tells Bored Panda that men have been paying increasingly more attention to their body hair and grooming habits with the rise of men’s care products. “With a shift in attitudes linking men’s appearance and grooming to homophobic discourses, there has been a greater openness and public acceptance.”

“From lumbersexuals to spornosexuals and metrosexuals, the attention [on] how men actively intentionally architect masculinity has received increased public acceptance.” Kehler says that beauty and hair products for men have become mainstream. The same goes for shaving tools, whether they’re for facial, chest, or pubic hair. If only swimmers and athletes removed their body hair back in the day, today, it’s been increasingly normalized.

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“Digitally mediated male bodies and online dating apps reveal a growing trend among men to purposefully and intentionally pose and sculpt the body to express and project various forms of masculinity,” Kehler explains. “While men have historically appeared aloof to appearance concerns, shifting attitudes and a more public invitation to gaze upon men’s bodies has provided a greater license for men to invest in their own bodily appearances.”

“Ironically, male body hair was once connected to manliness and outward evidence of reaching puberty,” he adds. “Facial hair, including mustaches and beards, were seen as early signs of puberty. In the current climate, we are witnessing more men engaging in what is referred to as ‘manscaping.’ The art of shaping, defining, and carefully trimming and sculpting men’s hair is a growing appearance industry.”

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People’s understanding of masculinity is becoming more fluid

Researcher Michael Kehler says that a fixed idea of how a man should look still persists in society. “Men’s bodies remain emblematic of masculinity in its most rigid and limited forms. Musculature, virility, and strength remain deeply connected to manliness and messages of dominance and power and highly valorized manhood.”

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“Gazing upon men’s bodies has only emerged as particular fashion designers have created [a] public license for men to look upon their own bodies,” the researcher notes. Because of the restrictive model of masculinity, people have found a way to express it in more gender-fluid ways.

“The increased awareness and public engagement with men around specific health concerns such as mental health and suicide, for example, has allowed for greater openness that has historically been limited due to stereotypes of stoicism that left numerous men’s health issues largely unspoken,” Kehler points out.

“Limited and limiting views of masculinity relied on silence [and] dominance,” he adds. “Outward projections of toughness are increasingly challenged by broadening views of gender and masculinity as more fluid in particular.”

Some men shave for athletic reasons, some for hygienic reasons, and for others, it’s a styling choice

Robin James, male grooming industry expert, tells us that grooming is a personal journey. “There is no one-size-fits-all approach, and what works for one person might not work for another. It’s important for men to experiment and find what makes them feel most confident and comfortable.”

If a man chooses to shave his body hair, the reasons can be various. “Some do it for athletic purposes—swimmers and cyclists, for instance, shave to reduce drag and enhance performance,” James tells Bored Panda.

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“Others might do it for aesthetic reasons, preferring the clean, smooth look that aligns with their personal style.”

Robin says that shaving the hair off increases body definition, so shaving to enhance the appearance of muscles is also a thing.

The third possible reason is simple cleanliness. “There are also those who find it more comfortable or hygienic, especially in warmer climates or for those with particularly thick body hair,” Robin points out. “It’s all about personal preference and comfort.”

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A loving partner would support their loved one’s grooming decisions

Nobody likes it when other people are picking on their insecurities. We’re self-conscious about our perceived flaws as is, so when someone doesn’t respect our privacy, it hurts our ego even more. “Privacy in personal grooming is important, especially for men who might feel self-conscious about their body,” James says.

“Creating a safe and private environment allows men to explore and establish their grooming routines without judgment. It’s important for men to feel comfortable and confident in their own skin, and privacy can provide the necessary space for this,” the grooming expert says.

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It can be hard to confront someone over their comments or ridicule about your grooming habits. But Robin says that the best way is to openly talk about it. “My advice is to have an open and honest conversation about how these comments make you feel.”

“Explain that grooming is a personal choice that helps you feel your best. Mutual respect is key in any relationship, and your partner should understand and support your grooming decisions just as you would support theirs. If your partner can’t get on board with your personal choices, it could be that they’re not the right person for you!”

Manscaping is a personal choice; some choose to do it, and others don’t. There’s no shame in doing it or letting your hair grow out naturally. “Remember, grooming should be about enhancing your own sense of well-being and confidence, not about adhering to external pressures or standards,” Robin James emphasizes.

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The guy defended his reaction in the comments

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Many people thought the girlfriend’s behavior was beyond strange

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Others thought that both parties needed to grow up and that they were both at fault

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Hi there, fellow pandas! As a person (over)educated both in social sciences and literature, I'm most interested in how we connect and behave online (and sometimes in real life too.) The human experience is weird, so I try my best to put its peculiarities in writing. As a person who grew up chronically online, I now try to marry two sides of myself: the one who knows too much about MySpace, and the one who can't settle and needs to see every corner of the world.

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Hi there, fellow pandas! As a person (over)educated both in social sciences and literature, I'm most interested in how we connect and behave online (and sometimes in real life too.) The human experience is weird, so I try my best to put its peculiarities in writing. As a person who grew up chronically online, I now try to marry two sides of myself: the one who knows too much about MySpace, and the one who can't settle and needs to see every corner of the world.

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LakotaWolf (she/her)
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5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another situation where NO one would be saying "ESH" or stuff like "grow up!" if it were a woman/female who posted this instead of a man/male. Misandry is just as disgusting as misogyny. It's just as horrible and awful for a woman to pick open a locked bathroom door to "catch" their partner doing something as it would be for a man to do it to their partner. I'm female, and I HATE misandry as much as I hate misogyny. I also loathe when I see people screaming blame at men for being self-conscious about their appearance, or their body hair (OP's reason for being somewhat secretive about his long showers) when they would DEFEND a woman who was self-conscious about their appearance, or secretive about shaving their excessive body hair. Should OP just have been honest from the get-go? Yes, but that's not always an easy thing to do when you've been harassed/bullied about something before. tl;dr misandry is just as "wrong" and "bad" as misogyny, and just as damaging.

Mike m
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I commend wanting to save water but there's a time and a place to have the conversation and it's not when you just broke into his personal space.

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Tobias Reaper
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5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what basically happened she was so sure he was up to something bad that she assumed once she opened the door she could have a go at him shout at him and her doing that wouldn't matter. So when she forced open the door and saw it was nothing instead of backing down and apologising she doubled down and tried to make it about wasting water. And for everyone saying ESH imagine situation reversed guy forces open the locked door when his GF in there and she shouted at him not a single person would say ESH it would all be NTA he is abusive leave him or red flags but somehow its kind of acceptable this way.

Mike m
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What could he be doing that would be so bad in the bathroom by himself

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Annabelle
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hope OP runs far and fast. She invaded his privacy because she expected to find him up to something with the plan to yell at HIM. She's full of sh*t about the water, and then plays the victim, locking herself in the bedroom, crying violence and abuse?! Guarantee she already had her lies to smear his name worked out in full detail, because she knows she was in the wrong. Hope he follows the advice I learned way too late: believe people when they show you who they are. She is doing just that. I'm disgusted how this would look if the tables were turned, but something tells me OP wouldn't be breaking into a locked door in the first place. This will only get worse. She's already manipulating him. The only thing she is scared of is the truth of her own mistake, distrust, disrespect, violation of privacy and manipulation being exposed. Guarantee she has plenty of friends to enable her nasty behavior. GTFO.

lenka
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So... she intentionally and deliberately violated your privacy (controlling and coercive) then accused YOU of being abusive when you got upset (Gaslight, DARVO). Run my friend. Run far. Run fast. Never look back.

Sam Kenway
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. The fact that she refused to open the door for him and refused to talk to him? She 100% knew she was in the wrong and was manipulating him. That's someone who will never take responsibility for her own actions. Better OP found out now!

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Hannah Taylor
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5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP is definitely NTA. That woman is psychotic, no doubt about it. "Wasting water," my a*s; she was hoping to catch him in "the act." As soon as possible, OP should run fast, run far, and NEVER have any contact with her ever again. The way she doubled down when her invasive tactics backfired tells me that she is capable of anything, including filing false charges of SA against OP. When he returns to the apartment to gather his belongings, he should be accompanied by at least two people, one of them being a woman, and one of them recording it. That way, Psycho Lady can't accuse him of anything. He should quickly and quietly collect his things, without engaging in conversation. I wouldn't trust her not to take anything OP might say out of context.

Beak Hookage
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The heck did she think he was doing in there - screwing another woman he keeps hidden in the medicine cabinet? "I just like long showers" should be all the explanation anyone would need, unless there were problems with the size of the hot water bill which in this case there apparently wasn't.

FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What did she think she was going to catch him at? And who bursts into on someone else's shower and is surprised when they yell? This woman is trying hard to create problems, and she has succeeded. Better off without her. Behaviour like this will only escalate. She already thinks what her bf does in the shower is hers to dictate.

Aline
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Feeding an addiction?Messaging other women while leaving the shower running to be sneaky? Either there are already known issues in the relationship that OP has not disclosed or she is extremely controlling.

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Mike m
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your personal space was invaded. She scared you by opening the door and on top of that you were naked, vulnerable and being yelled at. Your response was normal.

Papa
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As far as I'm concerned the only mistake he made was leaving when she locked herself in the bedroom and told him to. "I live here too. You're the one who apparently wants to break up, so you can leave." This may be influenced by something that happened about 45 years ago. My mother told my father that she thought they should separate, and she wanted him to move out. He told her he wasn't going anywhere, and if she thought they should split up she was free to go.

KatSaidWhat
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

WTGF is up with everyone saying ESH? No, she literally broke into a bathroom while he was showering. And then decided she was the victim in that scenario. Violation of privacy is just the first issue here. What's next if she doesn't believe him about anything? Show up work? This behaviour is not acceptable even if he could have just told her he shaves. run, OP.

Tamra
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly, wtf. All of this could have been avoided with a simple conversation. Why on earth didn't she just ask him why he took so long in the shower? How did she make the leap from a sensible conversation to breaking into the bathroom, violating his privacy, and freaking the hell out? I feel sorry for this guy.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who think they have a right to an opinion about how others shower aren't capable of resolving the issue with logical and kind conversation.

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nancy
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Any woman who picks a lock to dictate how long you are allowed to be in the shower is going to have some serious control issues down the line.

Aline
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It seems odd he locks the door when he showers. Maybe this is more insecurity, but it seems like maybe she's tried this c**p in the past or has seriously infringed on his privacy in other contexts. If you can't trust your partner to knock, hear 'don't come in, I'll find you when I'm done' and leave it at that, the relationship is not worth keeping.

Bewitched One
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My fiancé locks every door behind him just out of habit (he grew up with 3 brothers and 2 sisters), so it could be something similar. He has accidentally locked me out of the house a few times because of it. lol he’s walked in and just absent mindedly turned the lock on the k**b as he closed the door multiple times. It was really bad when we first moved in together but it’s gotten a lot better over the last four years lol

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Lyoness
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find it so odd that she felt the need to break in on his shower and then claim it was to tell him to use less water. Like she couldn't have yelled that through the door? No, she was trying to catch him doing something and then gaslit him when he reacted with justifiable anger. Wtf did she think he was doing? Masturbating? Shaming someone who does that is plain old wrong. Dr*gs? You can't snort or shoot in steam (and it'd be very steamy after a long shower) and smoking? It'd just get soggy. Besides, she'd be able to smell it or see a change in his behaviour. This just comes off as a control move and a typical DARVO reaction.

H. B. Nielsen
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The ESH comments are wild. He wasn't obligated to disclose that to her and especially not feeling ready to! I agree that people in relationships should be honest, but this just wasn't relevant to reveal. What she did was wrong. As a woman I agree that folks would have been more outraged had he done this to her. I'd have freaked out too.

Tony Liszewski
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA; regardless if you hadn't revealed the main reason for taking extra time, breaking into a bathroom is a complete breach of trust. And then doubling down about wasting water and ignoring she just broke into the bathroom? Best wishes in your future relationships!

BlushingPanda
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Woah! Who does that?! It was so psychotic and what a gaslighter! 1. The effort to unlock a locked shower door when you were not in any kind of trouble or emergency 2. Obvious distrust taken to another level that she had to catch you and then what? Humiliate you? 3. Uses a lame excuse like you wasting water when she was obviously mistaken in her hunch You got mad and yelled at her which is probably an acceptable reaction given that surprising/shocking situation 3. Her crying and blaming you for your outburst and not willing to discuss it like a civilized person? So immature. It will be impossible to sustain a lasting relationship with her and you’d only be burdened and left feeling at fault all the time. She is a great gaslighter I will not trust anyone who does that to me. Good riddance. Not a loss but a good reason to leave.

sweetrottenpeaches
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who are these princesses? I mean he told hert to get out and she stayed there runnung her mouth, got yelled at, and then she plays the little sceardy innocent kitty. I hope they broke up.. I am not even mentioning the fact that she picked the lock.. How entitled do you have to be to do that?

Melissa anderson
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Omg! She is mentally unstable! Who the hell literally breaks into the bathroom while their partner is in the shower? He had every right to yell at her. She blatantly disrespected his privacy.

LaserBrain
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Breaks and enters into a person's private shower time to spy on them, then cries when she gets yelled at? Stupid is as stupid does.

Nils Skirnir
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was thinking you were whacking off and wanted to catch you at it for whatever reason. BTW electrolysis can remove excess hair.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Have you looked into hair electrolysis? It can be very expensive, takes a very long time, and can be very painful. One may need weekly or bi-weekly electrolysis appointments for up to a YEAR or longer. Electrolysis literally targets EACH hair follicle. If OP has a lot of body hair, electrolysis would take forever to complete.

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Bamboozled Panda
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One comment said you shouldn’t have locked doors with a partner but like seriously? I’m gonna lock the bathroom door no matter what. Nothing wrong with that

35 cabbages in a trenchcoat
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP is fully correct. But like... Shaving with the water running uses SOOOO much water.

April Dancer
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP you were neither violent or abusive, so, please don't take that away from this. Yes, you shouted, once, to repeat your earlier request that she chose to ignore. That doesn't make you the villain here. She deliberately unlocked the bathroom door in order to 'catch you out' doing goodness knows what. That is totally unacceptable. Even if you were just standing there watching water running down the drain it didn't give her the right to unlock the door then start berating you. That was a discussion for another time. If she is leaving you over this, then, sorry, but you have had a lucky escape and I'm speaking as a woman. There is no excuse for her behaviour or to follow through on trying to put the blame on you.

Bennie McGarry
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her sudden, unannounced violation of his privacy is unacceptable. To worsen it by trying to blame him for an obvious “fight or flight” reaction (yelling loudly) by blaming him and forcing an ultimatum using the old feminist trope of male toxicity is highly manipulative and shows a lack of feeling for him. She needs to grow up and to seek therapy, or embrace her political programming and exclude all men from her life. He did absolutely nothing wrong, and was violated by her. (Btw, I’m a woman, think for myself, and don’t follow popular a$$hattery)

Juanita Sullivan
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was definitely in the wrong and her actions after were a definite signal that she is a controller. This will only get worse. Being mad at you and not willing to talk about it is a woman's way to get her way and it's been going on forever. It's a design to wear you down. Don't fall for it. As a woman myself who has been married to a controller (to put it nicely), get out of the relationship as fast as possible.

DrBronxx
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP, your girlfriend isn't the person you thought she was. Also, I wonder about the ESH comments. It must bee wonderful to not have anything to be bothered about, to be able to tell people with insecurities to just grow up. As a hairy person, I completely understand the embarrassment. It's something I've moved passed, but when I was OP's age, I was extremely self-conscious about it. I would put money on the ESH commenters not being hairy, or not being as hairy as OP.

millac
Community Member
3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She is DARVOing him. She violated his privacy because she felt entitled to answers (she likely thought she'd 'catch' him masterbating and was planning on yelling at him/ confronting him over it) She trapped him in a vulnerable state that ensured he couldn't leave while she berated him about something as dumb as wasting water and didn't go when asked. She then threw a tantrum when called on her behavior.

Lucky Hemlock
Community Member
3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My husband is excessively hairy as well, and it gets on his nerves and it's hot in the summertime, so he actually comes to me and asks me to shave him. Its a big job, lol, but its actually something of a bonding act for us. He actually enjoys it, he feels cared for when I take the time to groom him. And I don't mind it either, I enjoy giving him that care.

AK to LV
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If anyone is interest, he posted an update and updated the update in the comments. The gf got a restraining order and op was served at work. Op couldn't believe it and texted her. Op was arrested, later on, in his office. His parents got him a lawyer and bailed him out. Some witnesses say they heard loud shouting and some bangs from the apt. Supposedly the gf has pictures with bruising. Op still has their job.

Teri Smith
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She violated his privacy, wouldn't leave when told to, got (rightfully) yelled at, and then cries and says she didn't think you was capable of being so abusive. That's some first rate gaslighting and DARVOing right there. OP needs to look back and see if this type of thing has bwen a pattern in their entire relarionship. She sounds narcissistic and manipulative. He's definitely NTA and better off.

Heather Menard
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was definitely wrong in invading your space. She is lucky you didn't try to defend yourself. Break up with her. Next girl be upfront maybe she can help you shave. It could be fun for both of you.

Brenda White
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You know, c**p like she pulled really makes me angry. Basically, it's crying "wolf". She instigated the argument and then she's the victim. Good Lord, I hope she never finds out what actual abuse, of any sort is. People need to be honest about serious accusations.

Chana Wilhite
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!!!! She is a woman and therefore insecure...as you are. She has know idea about what you are going through. In her head she is thinking you are in the bathroom texting someone else or god only knows what. At no point did she think that you were insecure about something. (We as in "women" don't think that) It is almost always about something we did and you are avoiding us. This whole thing is a misunderstanding and if you truly think you guys are good together you need to let her know this was about you and not her. I am sorry this happened to you, however it might be the best thing to happen to your relationship. Think about your feelings of not wanting to share this insecurity and then realize she broke into the bathroom because of her own insecurities. I think if you both talk about it you will both realize you're pretty good together. Just food for thought.

FluffyDreg
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. No one should be with her. Her insecurities are something she needs to resolve ALONE witgoit subjecting anyone else to them. That is an extreme that's not okay for ANYONE.

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Dan
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5 months ago (edited)

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Women always want to be treated like men, until you treat them like men. She can't handle being righteously yelled at.

FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You seem to confuse "like people" and "like men", that's ok, part of society's issue is that a man is the default normal. But before you get upset at women in general for wanting to be treated like men, they don't. They just want to be treated fairly as people. This particular woman is an AH and has no clear agenda except mean spirited chaos. That's not down to gender, thats just down to an awful personality.

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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm in the shower and taking care of some private health issue that I want to remain private. My back is to the door and the shower curtain is not see through so I can't see or hear anyone coming in the bathroom. But, BAM, my SO is suddenly in the bathroom screaming at me while I have a razor on a very sensitive part of my body. Yes, I'm screaming because I possibly just sliced open something that is going to be difficult to heal. Am I wrong?

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Yikes. Another situation where I think that everyone is overreacting a ton. The "we've never really had a fight before" is suuuuuper telling. This is kinda what fights look like? Relationships are messy. She messed up for sure invading his space, but it really isn't such a betrayal of trust that they need to break up either. She obviously has some deep-rooted trust issues that they need to get to the bottom of. He's got some as well since he couldn't talk about his shaving. Sometimes it's from the fights that you actually think to wade through the muck of life and get all the s**t cleaned up. When things are all good, why would you bring up hurt from the past? If they want to, they could use this opportunity to bear their souls, help each other through the pain of life, and grow the relationship. If they want to. Reddit never wants to do that though so good luck.

Secret Squirrel
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fighting isn't normal for all couples. I've been with my partner 9 years and we disagree plenty, but I can't think of a fight. But also we don't invade each others privacy, or get worked up about dumb stuff. (Probably why I get invited into the shower instead of locked out). But this idea that fighting is normal or healthy is so strange. We debate politics and where to live and how to manage financially, but no yelling or name calling, because we aren't on different sides. We are on the same side looking for a team plan. We aren't opposing sides, why would we fight? If you aren't willing to discuss and listen to ideas, what are you doing?

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Nils Skirnir
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Changing my opinion on this. It’s either that OP’s partner thought he was pleasuring himself and she thought to surprise him and join in. He totally blew it by being a jerk. Inexperienced lovers often try to do surprises like this. Or, and I think most likely, this is completely made up by a junior high schooler who just got done watching Umbrella Academy.

FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not ok to join someone in a sexual act without an invitation. Consent isn't graded on a curve for "inexperienced lovers". Besides they are 24, definitely old enough to know if you see something you find sexy in a video/on TV, you need your partner's consent before trying it out. The blocked door should have been a clue.

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LakotaWolf (she/her)
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5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another situation where NO one would be saying "ESH" or stuff like "grow up!" if it were a woman/female who posted this instead of a man/male. Misandry is just as disgusting as misogyny. It's just as horrible and awful for a woman to pick open a locked bathroom door to "catch" their partner doing something as it would be for a man to do it to their partner. I'm female, and I HATE misandry as much as I hate misogyny. I also loathe when I see people screaming blame at men for being self-conscious about their appearance, or their body hair (OP's reason for being somewhat secretive about his long showers) when they would DEFEND a woman who was self-conscious about their appearance, or secretive about shaving their excessive body hair. Should OP just have been honest from the get-go? Yes, but that's not always an easy thing to do when you've been harassed/bullied about something before. tl;dr misandry is just as "wrong" and "bad" as misogyny, and just as damaging.

Mike m
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I commend wanting to save water but there's a time and a place to have the conversation and it's not when you just broke into his personal space.

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Tobias Reaper
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5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what basically happened she was so sure he was up to something bad that she assumed once she opened the door she could have a go at him shout at him and her doing that wouldn't matter. So when she forced open the door and saw it was nothing instead of backing down and apologising she doubled down and tried to make it about wasting water. And for everyone saying ESH imagine situation reversed guy forces open the locked door when his GF in there and she shouted at him not a single person would say ESH it would all be NTA he is abusive leave him or red flags but somehow its kind of acceptable this way.

Mike m
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What could he be doing that would be so bad in the bathroom by himself

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Annabelle
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hope OP runs far and fast. She invaded his privacy because she expected to find him up to something with the plan to yell at HIM. She's full of sh*t about the water, and then plays the victim, locking herself in the bedroom, crying violence and abuse?! Guarantee she already had her lies to smear his name worked out in full detail, because she knows she was in the wrong. Hope he follows the advice I learned way too late: believe people when they show you who they are. She is doing just that. I'm disgusted how this would look if the tables were turned, but something tells me OP wouldn't be breaking into a locked door in the first place. This will only get worse. She's already manipulating him. The only thing she is scared of is the truth of her own mistake, distrust, disrespect, violation of privacy and manipulation being exposed. Guarantee she has plenty of friends to enable her nasty behavior. GTFO.

lenka
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So... she intentionally and deliberately violated your privacy (controlling and coercive) then accused YOU of being abusive when you got upset (Gaslight, DARVO). Run my friend. Run far. Run fast. Never look back.

Sam Kenway
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. The fact that she refused to open the door for him and refused to talk to him? She 100% knew she was in the wrong and was manipulating him. That's someone who will never take responsibility for her own actions. Better OP found out now!

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Hannah Taylor
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5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP is definitely NTA. That woman is psychotic, no doubt about it. "Wasting water," my a*s; she was hoping to catch him in "the act." As soon as possible, OP should run fast, run far, and NEVER have any contact with her ever again. The way she doubled down when her invasive tactics backfired tells me that she is capable of anything, including filing false charges of SA against OP. When he returns to the apartment to gather his belongings, he should be accompanied by at least two people, one of them being a woman, and one of them recording it. That way, Psycho Lady can't accuse him of anything. He should quickly and quietly collect his things, without engaging in conversation. I wouldn't trust her not to take anything OP might say out of context.

Beak Hookage
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The heck did she think he was doing in there - screwing another woman he keeps hidden in the medicine cabinet? "I just like long showers" should be all the explanation anyone would need, unless there were problems with the size of the hot water bill which in this case there apparently wasn't.

FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What did she think she was going to catch him at? And who bursts into on someone else's shower and is surprised when they yell? This woman is trying hard to create problems, and she has succeeded. Better off without her. Behaviour like this will only escalate. She already thinks what her bf does in the shower is hers to dictate.

Aline
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Feeding an addiction?Messaging other women while leaving the shower running to be sneaky? Either there are already known issues in the relationship that OP has not disclosed or she is extremely controlling.

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Mike m
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your personal space was invaded. She scared you by opening the door and on top of that you were naked, vulnerable and being yelled at. Your response was normal.

Papa
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As far as I'm concerned the only mistake he made was leaving when she locked herself in the bedroom and told him to. "I live here too. You're the one who apparently wants to break up, so you can leave." This may be influenced by something that happened about 45 years ago. My mother told my father that she thought they should separate, and she wanted him to move out. He told her he wasn't going anywhere, and if she thought they should split up she was free to go.

KatSaidWhat
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

WTGF is up with everyone saying ESH? No, she literally broke into a bathroom while he was showering. And then decided she was the victim in that scenario. Violation of privacy is just the first issue here. What's next if she doesn't believe him about anything? Show up work? This behaviour is not acceptable even if he could have just told her he shaves. run, OP.

Tamra
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly, wtf. All of this could have been avoided with a simple conversation. Why on earth didn't she just ask him why he took so long in the shower? How did she make the leap from a sensible conversation to breaking into the bathroom, violating his privacy, and freaking the hell out? I feel sorry for this guy.

FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who think they have a right to an opinion about how others shower aren't capable of resolving the issue with logical and kind conversation.

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nancy
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Any woman who picks a lock to dictate how long you are allowed to be in the shower is going to have some serious control issues down the line.

Aline
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It seems odd he locks the door when he showers. Maybe this is more insecurity, but it seems like maybe she's tried this c**p in the past or has seriously infringed on his privacy in other contexts. If you can't trust your partner to knock, hear 'don't come in, I'll find you when I'm done' and leave it at that, the relationship is not worth keeping.

Bewitched One
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My fiancé locks every door behind him just out of habit (he grew up with 3 brothers and 2 sisters), so it could be something similar. He has accidentally locked me out of the house a few times because of it. lol he’s walked in and just absent mindedly turned the lock on the k**b as he closed the door multiple times. It was really bad when we first moved in together but it’s gotten a lot better over the last four years lol

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Lyoness
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find it so odd that she felt the need to break in on his shower and then claim it was to tell him to use less water. Like she couldn't have yelled that through the door? No, she was trying to catch him doing something and then gaslit him when he reacted with justifiable anger. Wtf did she think he was doing? Masturbating? Shaming someone who does that is plain old wrong. Dr*gs? You can't snort or shoot in steam (and it'd be very steamy after a long shower) and smoking? It'd just get soggy. Besides, she'd be able to smell it or see a change in his behaviour. This just comes off as a control move and a typical DARVO reaction.

H. B. Nielsen
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The ESH comments are wild. He wasn't obligated to disclose that to her and especially not feeling ready to! I agree that people in relationships should be honest, but this just wasn't relevant to reveal. What she did was wrong. As a woman I agree that folks would have been more outraged had he done this to her. I'd have freaked out too.

Tony Liszewski
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA; regardless if you hadn't revealed the main reason for taking extra time, breaking into a bathroom is a complete breach of trust. And then doubling down about wasting water and ignoring she just broke into the bathroom? Best wishes in your future relationships!

BlushingPanda
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Woah! Who does that?! It was so psychotic and what a gaslighter! 1. The effort to unlock a locked shower door when you were not in any kind of trouble or emergency 2. Obvious distrust taken to another level that she had to catch you and then what? Humiliate you? 3. Uses a lame excuse like you wasting water when she was obviously mistaken in her hunch You got mad and yelled at her which is probably an acceptable reaction given that surprising/shocking situation 3. Her crying and blaming you for your outburst and not willing to discuss it like a civilized person? So immature. It will be impossible to sustain a lasting relationship with her and you’d only be burdened and left feeling at fault all the time. She is a great gaslighter I will not trust anyone who does that to me. Good riddance. Not a loss but a good reason to leave.

sweetrottenpeaches
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who are these princesses? I mean he told hert to get out and she stayed there runnung her mouth, got yelled at, and then she plays the little sceardy innocent kitty. I hope they broke up.. I am not even mentioning the fact that she picked the lock.. How entitled do you have to be to do that?

Melissa anderson
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Omg! She is mentally unstable! Who the hell literally breaks into the bathroom while their partner is in the shower? He had every right to yell at her. She blatantly disrespected his privacy.

LaserBrain
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Breaks and enters into a person's private shower time to spy on them, then cries when she gets yelled at? Stupid is as stupid does.

Nils Skirnir
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was thinking you were whacking off and wanted to catch you at it for whatever reason. BTW electrolysis can remove excess hair.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Have you looked into hair electrolysis? It can be very expensive, takes a very long time, and can be very painful. One may need weekly or bi-weekly electrolysis appointments for up to a YEAR or longer. Electrolysis literally targets EACH hair follicle. If OP has a lot of body hair, electrolysis would take forever to complete.

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Bamboozled Panda
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One comment said you shouldn’t have locked doors with a partner but like seriously? I’m gonna lock the bathroom door no matter what. Nothing wrong with that

35 cabbages in a trenchcoat
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP is fully correct. But like... Shaving with the water running uses SOOOO much water.

April Dancer
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP you were neither violent or abusive, so, please don't take that away from this. Yes, you shouted, once, to repeat your earlier request that she chose to ignore. That doesn't make you the villain here. She deliberately unlocked the bathroom door in order to 'catch you out' doing goodness knows what. That is totally unacceptable. Even if you were just standing there watching water running down the drain it didn't give her the right to unlock the door then start berating you. That was a discussion for another time. If she is leaving you over this, then, sorry, but you have had a lucky escape and I'm speaking as a woman. There is no excuse for her behaviour or to follow through on trying to put the blame on you.

Bennie McGarry
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her sudden, unannounced violation of his privacy is unacceptable. To worsen it by trying to blame him for an obvious “fight or flight” reaction (yelling loudly) by blaming him and forcing an ultimatum using the old feminist trope of male toxicity is highly manipulative and shows a lack of feeling for him. She needs to grow up and to seek therapy, or embrace her political programming and exclude all men from her life. He did absolutely nothing wrong, and was violated by her. (Btw, I’m a woman, think for myself, and don’t follow popular a$$hattery)

Juanita Sullivan
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was definitely in the wrong and her actions after were a definite signal that she is a controller. This will only get worse. Being mad at you and not willing to talk about it is a woman's way to get her way and it's been going on forever. It's a design to wear you down. Don't fall for it. As a woman myself who has been married to a controller (to put it nicely), get out of the relationship as fast as possible.

DrBronxx
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP, your girlfriend isn't the person you thought she was. Also, I wonder about the ESH comments. It must bee wonderful to not have anything to be bothered about, to be able to tell people with insecurities to just grow up. As a hairy person, I completely understand the embarrassment. It's something I've moved passed, but when I was OP's age, I was extremely self-conscious about it. I would put money on the ESH commenters not being hairy, or not being as hairy as OP.

millac
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She is DARVOing him. She violated his privacy because she felt entitled to answers (she likely thought she'd 'catch' him masterbating and was planning on yelling at him/ confronting him over it) She trapped him in a vulnerable state that ensured he couldn't leave while she berated him about something as dumb as wasting water and didn't go when asked. She then threw a tantrum when called on her behavior.

Lucky Hemlock
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My husband is excessively hairy as well, and it gets on his nerves and it's hot in the summertime, so he actually comes to me and asks me to shave him. Its a big job, lol, but its actually something of a bonding act for us. He actually enjoys it, he feels cared for when I take the time to groom him. And I don't mind it either, I enjoy giving him that care.

AK to LV
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If anyone is interest, he posted an update and updated the update in the comments. The gf got a restraining order and op was served at work. Op couldn't believe it and texted her. Op was arrested, later on, in his office. His parents got him a lawyer and bailed him out. Some witnesses say they heard loud shouting and some bangs from the apt. Supposedly the gf has pictures with bruising. Op still has their job.

Teri Smith
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She violated his privacy, wouldn't leave when told to, got (rightfully) yelled at, and then cries and says she didn't think you was capable of being so abusive. That's some first rate gaslighting and DARVOing right there. OP needs to look back and see if this type of thing has bwen a pattern in their entire relarionship. She sounds narcissistic and manipulative. He's definitely NTA and better off.

Heather Menard
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was definitely wrong in invading your space. She is lucky you didn't try to defend yourself. Break up with her. Next girl be upfront maybe she can help you shave. It could be fun for both of you.

Brenda White
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You know, c**p like she pulled really makes me angry. Basically, it's crying "wolf". She instigated the argument and then she's the victim. Good Lord, I hope she never finds out what actual abuse, of any sort is. People need to be honest about serious accusations.

Chana Wilhite
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!!!! She is a woman and therefore insecure...as you are. She has know idea about what you are going through. In her head she is thinking you are in the bathroom texting someone else or god only knows what. At no point did she think that you were insecure about something. (We as in "women" don't think that) It is almost always about something we did and you are avoiding us. This whole thing is a misunderstanding and if you truly think you guys are good together you need to let her know this was about you and not her. I am sorry this happened to you, however it might be the best thing to happen to your relationship. Think about your feelings of not wanting to share this insecurity and then realize she broke into the bathroom because of her own insecurities. I think if you both talk about it you will both realize you're pretty good together. Just food for thought.

FluffyDreg
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. No one should be with her. Her insecurities are something she needs to resolve ALONE witgoit subjecting anyone else to them. That is an extreme that's not okay for ANYONE.

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Dan
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5 months ago (edited)

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Women always want to be treated like men, until you treat them like men. She can't handle being righteously yelled at.

FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You seem to confuse "like people" and "like men", that's ok, part of society's issue is that a man is the default normal. But before you get upset at women in general for wanting to be treated like men, they don't. They just want to be treated fairly as people. This particular woman is an AH and has no clear agenda except mean spirited chaos. That's not down to gender, thats just down to an awful personality.

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Display_Name
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm in the shower and taking care of some private health issue that I want to remain private. My back is to the door and the shower curtain is not see through so I can't see or hear anyone coming in the bathroom. But, BAM, my SO is suddenly in the bathroom screaming at me while I have a razor on a very sensitive part of my body. Yes, I'm screaming because I possibly just sliced open something that is going to be difficult to heal. Am I wrong?

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ConstantlyJon
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Yikes. Another situation where I think that everyone is overreacting a ton. The "we've never really had a fight before" is suuuuuper telling. This is kinda what fights look like? Relationships are messy. She messed up for sure invading his space, but it really isn't such a betrayal of trust that they need to break up either. She obviously has some deep-rooted trust issues that they need to get to the bottom of. He's got some as well since he couldn't talk about his shaving. Sometimes it's from the fights that you actually think to wade through the muck of life and get all the s**t cleaned up. When things are all good, why would you bring up hurt from the past? If they want to, they could use this opportunity to bear their souls, help each other through the pain of life, and grow the relationship. If they want to. Reddit never wants to do that though so good luck.

Secret Squirrel
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fighting isn't normal for all couples. I've been with my partner 9 years and we disagree plenty, but I can't think of a fight. But also we don't invade each others privacy, or get worked up about dumb stuff. (Probably why I get invited into the shower instead of locked out). But this idea that fighting is normal or healthy is so strange. We debate politics and where to live and how to manage financially, but no yelling or name calling, because we aren't on different sides. We are on the same side looking for a team plan. We aren't opposing sides, why would we fight? If you aren't willing to discuss and listen to ideas, what are you doing?

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Nils Skirnir
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Changing my opinion on this. It’s either that OP’s partner thought he was pleasuring himself and she thought to surprise him and join in. He totally blew it by being a jerk. Inexperienced lovers often try to do surprises like this. Or, and I think most likely, this is completely made up by a junior high schooler who just got done watching Umbrella Academy.

FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not ok to join someone in a sexual act without an invitation. Consent isn't graded on a curve for "inexperienced lovers". Besides they are 24, definitely old enough to know if you see something you find sexy in a video/on TV, you need your partner's consent before trying it out. The blocked door should have been a clue.

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