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Best Friend Asks Guy How He Has Such A Great GF, He Shares His Manipulation Tactics But GF Overhears
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Best Friend Asks Guy How He Has Such A Great GF, He Shares His Manipulation Tactics But GF Overhears

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A healthy relationship is supposed to help you grow and shape you into the best version of yourself. Both partners share love, respect, and want what’s best for each other. On the flip side, a toxic relationship can cause massive damage to a person’s self-esteem and self-worth.

A woman had this sudden realization after she overheard the way her boyfriend was speaking about her to his best friend. He had let his guard down and was sharing his unfiltered thoughts about her; she wasn’t ready for the bombshell he dropped.

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Boyfriend gloats to friend that he manipulates his attractive girlfriend and fuels her insecurities so that she keeps doing his bidding

Image credits: Matheus Bertelli (not the actual photo)

Woman attended a party with her boyfriend, after hanging out with friends, she went to look for him and found him talking to his best friend about her, so she tried to overhear them

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Image credits: Donovan Grabowski (not the actual photo)

Boyfriend’s friend asked him how he bagged the poster, he said that he makes sure she feels insecure and doesn’t become too confident, or else it wouldn’t work out

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Image credits: Alina Chernii (not the actual photo)

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When his friend called him out on his behavior, the guy said that intimacy with hot, insecure women is great because they’ll do anything to please

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The woman was speechless after hearing what her boyfriend said about her and the lengths he went to manipulate her, so she broke up with him through text the next day

The problem with the boyfriend’s behavior is that he did not seem ashamed of the horrible manipulation tactics he used on his girlfriend. It also seems like he had been playing on her insecurities for the entire duration of their relationship so that she would stay with him and do whatever he wanted. Verywell Mind states that toxic partners “might also be trying to change or wear down a partner in an effort to have their own needs met.” The boyfriend was doing that and even bragged about it to his friend.

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Emotional manipulators want to create an imbalance of power and take advantage of the other person. This can happen in casual relationships, but more often than not, it happens between very close people. These subtle tricks that they play can slowly chip away at a person’s confidence, just as it was happening to the poster. The smug boyfriend told his friend that he wanted his girlfriend to remain insecure and as a result, not recognize her beauty or that she’s a catch.

To understand how such manipulation can affect a person’s self-confidence and their relationship, Bored Panda interviewed Shikah Anuar. She used to work as a counselor with a government ministry in Singapore. Now, she uses her counseling skills to create workbooks and workshops for life coaches. She mentioned that “when someone lacks confidence, they will have fear expressing their genuine wants, their preferences and are even likely to be fearful sharing their long-term goals and ambitions.”

“Some women or men let this happen because they value being in a relationship more highly than having the freedom to live life their way. I would say that people who enjoy having low-confidence partners have great insecurities. They may like being in control and being hyper-controlling is a symptom of past trauma, such as childhood trauma,” Shikah added.

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We also reached out to Sean Smith, an international speaker, life coach, author, poet, and creator with nearly 20 years in personal development and over a million views on his YouTube channel. He said that “many people do in fact prey on insecurities, but not intentionally. Their unconscious wounds are attracted to their partner’s unconscious wounds. If that’s the case, open discussion about the patterns and sharing with your partner how it makes you feel, without projecting blame onto them, is a great place to start.”

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In this unique case, the woman chanced upon her boyfriend and his friend chatting about her. She was lucky to hear him share his unfiltered thoughts; otherwise, she’d have never realized what tricks he was playing on her. The poster decided to end the relationship and did not want to explain anything to her scumbag boyfriend. It’s good that she didn’t because if she had given him a chance to explain, he probably would have dismissed her concerns and gaslit her.

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Shikah also agreed with the author’s actions and said: “Naturally, the first thing we would advise someone who is in an unhealthy relationship is to walk away from it. But people with low confidence are likely to be fearful of breaking off relationships as they may not feel confident of being on their own, or they feel that they are not deserving to be in happier, healthier relationships.”

She shared a few important questions that people could ask themselves if they suspect or learn that their partner enjoys preying on their insecurities. They include:

  • “Is it worth it to sacrifice my wants for the sake of this unhealthy and presumably unfulfilling relationship
  • What will my life look like 5 years from today if I continue allowing my partner to take advantage of my low confidence? 
  • Why do I allow my partner to take advantage of me like that?
  • What am I scared of?
  • Am I okay to continue living this way or do I want a fresh start?
  • If I want a fresh start, what are some small steps I can take to express my assertive side to my partner?”

Sean also added, “I think most people struggle in relationships because they don’t truly know what kind of partner they are looking for to complement, not complete, them. This is because most people don’t truly know themselves well enough. Knowing yourself comes from personal development work, introspection, life coaching, therapy, etc. It takes intentional work, usually isn’t quick or easy, but it’s worth it for people who want to get to know themselves underneath all of our artificial beliefs and identities.”

Not everybody might be as brave as the poster and immediately break away from a toxic partner. Some people need help and to look inward. Netizens were disgusted by the man’s behavior, and the post blew up with over 1.8k comments bashing the guy and 7.4k upvotes. What would you have done if you were the guy’s BFF and heard him say all that stuff?

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People were glad that the woman broke up with her boyfriend and said that she definitely dodged a bullet

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Negatoris Wrecks
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like how even when a guy straight up brags that he is emotionally abusing his girlfriend you still get the monkeys trying to get her to stay with him

Elio
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For real. Hey, maybe some of those "friends" should go date him since they are so into emotional abuse.

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Vinnie
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or if not attracted and he's single, find him someone wonderful.

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lenka
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is no amount of context or explaining that would make those comments ok. The ex is a AH of the highest degree and you dodged a bullet. If your friends are trying to justify or excuse his behavior then you also need new friends - they are toxic.

Yu Pan
Community Member
5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who are these "friends" that always chime in about the breakup? Who asked you?!

Remi (He/Him)
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's not just a red flag that's a whole may day parade in a communist country. Getting as far away as possible was the right call

Maartje
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was young I was like this girl, drop dead gorgeous ( I modeled some) . Unfortunately this attracts predatory men like this and I ended up with a boyfriend who managed to turn me into a horribly insecure person. It took years to get me back to normal. She should absolutely wait until she is more comfortable and confident before she starts dating again. I recommend therapy.

Ash
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA and I'm proud of OP for leaving the relationship immediately. Whether she actually does have low self-esteem or not, she showed great respect for herself. May we all have the courage.

Stacy Jones
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He's a sociopath. I'm not surprised that he's given all the mutual friends an edited version of what he said and gotten them on his side. The only people who know the truth for sure, are the only people on OP's side. I'm so glad she dodged that bullet, and also got to find out who her true friends are.

Alexandra
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Context be damned. You did absolutely the right thing. Stick to the two friends who support you, ditch the others; they are keeping you back from becoming who you are, a confident woman.Live your live with grace and your head held high and in the sure knowledge that you have a power all your own.

Ouss Ben Aziza
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bro when even the best friend of the dude the man who knew him all his life. Damaged his relationship with the guy and sided with you... then how can you call the people around you asking you be "reasonable" friends? The reasonable thing to do is to admit that man was just psychopathic. Up there in the dark triad.

Annie
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. Everything the BF said was a red flag, especially: "Sex with insecure "hot chicks" is the best because they'll do anything to please you." OP was simply an object to be manipulated for BF's own enjoyment. It's likely he would have eventually dumped her when he got tired of abusing her & would move on to his next victim.

Sweet Taurus
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fact that the ex's best friend thinks she did the right thing says it all.

C.O. Shea
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah, that first big gate of adulthood... seperating the humans from the ássholes so you can begin to build healthy adult relationships.

Soulstorm brew
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have dogs. Not friends. I'm quite happy. My dogs would never tell me to stay with a garbage person.

CanadianDimes
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She had context. The whole conversation was the context and that context was her ex was manipulating and emotionally abusing her.

Hashim Siraj
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If he had concerns about her to the point of fuelling her insecurities then he needed to have a talk with her ages ago. He obviously thought she was too good for him but went around dealing with that wrong. Instead of bringing people down you should bring yourself up. Bro fumbled hard and idiocy won with the help of his insecurity

Snow_White
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He didn't think she was too good or anything along these innocent lines. The guy is straight up a*****e tried taking pages from pick up 'artists' like Andrew Tate.

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Alicia M
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, SO NTA! I can't believe she's even considering that she could be wrong. How people speak about you when they don't think you're listening speaks volumes about their character. She dodged a bullet. I can't imagine what life would be like with this empty vessel of a "man." He laughed about her insecurities. He called her crazy. His best friend had more respect for her than he did. What more does she need to prove he's a gigantic POS? I would have walked in the room and dealt with him at that very moment, and watched his jaw hit the floor.

سارا ناز
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

either end this relationship & don't contact this person again or you're proving him right sadly. You shouldn't be intimate with someone, let alone share a friendship, with another person that objectifies you & manipulates you. That's sickening. He's emotionally immature & cruel to think or speak about you that way. Please work on you & your interests, hobbies, challenges. The right person will add to your life & come along naturally. Take care :)

Alex Nelson
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Guys will brag and boast to each other to impress; that’s one thing. But his use of the term “virtue-signaling” - and using it when there are no others around - indicates this was not empty boasting but a mindset, one that has done research and absorbed a vocabulary . Running for the hills is definitely the right move.

JayWantsACat
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who use virtue signaling unironically, especially in a one-on-one setting where it literally couldn't happen because there's no one to virtue signal to, is a self-reporting piece of this s**t. NTA.

WonderWoman
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

that there are people out there so cold and calculating about such things makes me weep. I hope karma has their names

Beth Wheeler
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a complete piece of garbage. I hate that he hurt you like that but am so glad that you found out exactly what he is. As for the friends that think you're crazy for dumping him, I would tell them exactly why.

Helga Benadie
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op you were right to dump him. How can you be in a relationship when there is no trust. NTA

Helga Benadie
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP you acted completely right. There is no trust or respect anymore. You can dj better

Livingwithcfs
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Smart girl for breaking up with him via text. He sounds like he would be the type to make it all her fault. At least she has his friend on her side, he heard what the ex bf first hand

Dorian Gabriel
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is called negging and it's a "technique" taught by PUA's (Pick Up Artists) during their seminars and classes. It's abuse in a neat little curriculum.

Mr. Jones
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet another person who clearly knows they're not the a*****e, but showed up here for a pat on the back.

DC
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. There's things one can tolerate, or can tolerate for the time being and sort them later, like ... dunno, bad drinking habits or so ... but that's intentionally making somebody he's supposed to love feel degraded, feel "not enough", and that's beyond what's acceptable or delayable. Right thing to dodge this bullet - imagine this going on for years or decades even. I know both a man and a woman who were in such a situation for about 20 years of marriage. They both didn't deserve being treated that way, and their spouses deserved ... don't know, but for sure a lot less than them!

Boots
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If any of my 'friends' tried to talk me into staying with such a POS, I'd drop them, too!

Negatoris Wrecks
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like how even when a guy straight up brags that he is emotionally abusing his girlfriend you still get the monkeys trying to get her to stay with him

Elio
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For real. Hey, maybe some of those "friends" should go date him since they are so into emotional abuse.

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Vinnie
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or if not attracted and he's single, find him someone wonderful.

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lenka
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is no amount of context or explaining that would make those comments ok. The ex is a AH of the highest degree and you dodged a bullet. If your friends are trying to justify or excuse his behavior then you also need new friends - they are toxic.

Yu Pan
Community Member
5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who are these "friends" that always chime in about the breakup? Who asked you?!

Remi (He/Him)
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's not just a red flag that's a whole may day parade in a communist country. Getting as far away as possible was the right call

Maartje
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was young I was like this girl, drop dead gorgeous ( I modeled some) . Unfortunately this attracts predatory men like this and I ended up with a boyfriend who managed to turn me into a horribly insecure person. It took years to get me back to normal. She should absolutely wait until she is more comfortable and confident before she starts dating again. I recommend therapy.

Ash
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA and I'm proud of OP for leaving the relationship immediately. Whether she actually does have low self-esteem or not, she showed great respect for herself. May we all have the courage.

Stacy Jones
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He's a sociopath. I'm not surprised that he's given all the mutual friends an edited version of what he said and gotten them on his side. The only people who know the truth for sure, are the only people on OP's side. I'm so glad she dodged that bullet, and also got to find out who her true friends are.

Alexandra
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Context be damned. You did absolutely the right thing. Stick to the two friends who support you, ditch the others; they are keeping you back from becoming who you are, a confident woman.Live your live with grace and your head held high and in the sure knowledge that you have a power all your own.

Ouss Ben Aziza
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bro when even the best friend of the dude the man who knew him all his life. Damaged his relationship with the guy and sided with you... then how can you call the people around you asking you be "reasonable" friends? The reasonable thing to do is to admit that man was just psychopathic. Up there in the dark triad.

Annie
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. Everything the BF said was a red flag, especially: "Sex with insecure "hot chicks" is the best because they'll do anything to please you." OP was simply an object to be manipulated for BF's own enjoyment. It's likely he would have eventually dumped her when he got tired of abusing her & would move on to his next victim.

Sweet Taurus
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fact that the ex's best friend thinks she did the right thing says it all.

C.O. Shea
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah, that first big gate of adulthood... seperating the humans from the ássholes so you can begin to build healthy adult relationships.

Soulstorm brew
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have dogs. Not friends. I'm quite happy. My dogs would never tell me to stay with a garbage person.

CanadianDimes
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She had context. The whole conversation was the context and that context was her ex was manipulating and emotionally abusing her.

Hashim Siraj
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If he had concerns about her to the point of fuelling her insecurities then he needed to have a talk with her ages ago. He obviously thought she was too good for him but went around dealing with that wrong. Instead of bringing people down you should bring yourself up. Bro fumbled hard and idiocy won with the help of his insecurity

Snow_White
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He didn't think she was too good or anything along these innocent lines. The guy is straight up a*****e tried taking pages from pick up 'artists' like Andrew Tate.

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Alicia M
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, SO NTA! I can't believe she's even considering that she could be wrong. How people speak about you when they don't think you're listening speaks volumes about their character. She dodged a bullet. I can't imagine what life would be like with this empty vessel of a "man." He laughed about her insecurities. He called her crazy. His best friend had more respect for her than he did. What more does she need to prove he's a gigantic POS? I would have walked in the room and dealt with him at that very moment, and watched his jaw hit the floor.

سارا ناز
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

either end this relationship & don't contact this person again or you're proving him right sadly. You shouldn't be intimate with someone, let alone share a friendship, with another person that objectifies you & manipulates you. That's sickening. He's emotionally immature & cruel to think or speak about you that way. Please work on you & your interests, hobbies, challenges. The right person will add to your life & come along naturally. Take care :)

Alex Nelson
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Guys will brag and boast to each other to impress; that’s one thing. But his use of the term “virtue-signaling” - and using it when there are no others around - indicates this was not empty boasting but a mindset, one that has done research and absorbed a vocabulary . Running for the hills is definitely the right move.

JayWantsACat
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who use virtue signaling unironically, especially in a one-on-one setting where it literally couldn't happen because there's no one to virtue signal to, is a self-reporting piece of this s**t. NTA.

WonderWoman
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

that there are people out there so cold and calculating about such things makes me weep. I hope karma has their names

Beth Wheeler
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a complete piece of garbage. I hate that he hurt you like that but am so glad that you found out exactly what he is. As for the friends that think you're crazy for dumping him, I would tell them exactly why.

Helga Benadie
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op you were right to dump him. How can you be in a relationship when there is no trust. NTA

Helga Benadie
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP you acted completely right. There is no trust or respect anymore. You can dj better

Livingwithcfs
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Smart girl for breaking up with him via text. He sounds like he would be the type to make it all her fault. At least she has his friend on her side, he heard what the ex bf first hand

Dorian Gabriel
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is called negging and it's a "technique" taught by PUA's (Pick Up Artists) during their seminars and classes. It's abuse in a neat little curriculum.

Mr. Jones
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet another person who clearly knows they're not the a*****e, but showed up here for a pat on the back.

DC
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. There's things one can tolerate, or can tolerate for the time being and sort them later, like ... dunno, bad drinking habits or so ... but that's intentionally making somebody he's supposed to love feel degraded, feel "not enough", and that's beyond what's acceptable or delayable. Right thing to dodge this bullet - imagine this going on for years or decades even. I know both a man and a woman who were in such a situation for about 20 years of marriage. They both didn't deserve being treated that way, and their spouses deserved ... don't know, but for sure a lot less than them!

Boots
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If any of my 'friends' tried to talk me into staying with such a POS, I'd drop them, too!

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