In 1935, Portuguese doctor Egas Moniz learned of an experiment where removing the frontal lobes of two chimpanzees resulted in reduced violent behavior, making them more compliant. Those results triggered the doctor to try the experiment on humans.
Shortly after performing this procedure on unsuspecting patients suffering from mental illnesses, he published a paper demonstrating a method he believed to be an innovative way to treat such illnesses as schizophrenia and psychosis.
Today, Moniz is remembered for starting one of the most shameful and tragic procedures in medicine.
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Before And After: The Tragedy Of Lobotomy
Yes because it’s always a good idea to put a small child alone in a cage in the dark basement with no human interaction and kindness.
There still isn't adequate help available for parents with violently unstable children. Sometimes the worst choice is the only one left. Just because he was in a cage, does not mean he was neglected. He was confined for the safety of the rest of the family. From experience, my mother is the sweetest, kindest woman, until she is psychotic. Thankfully, there is usually some sort of help for adults, although that is often inadequate as well.
Load More Replies...every single one of these photos has been flipped , you dont understand when you cut the front lob, you are emotionless, you are not there, its a sick sick world we live in an its only getting sicker
I thought the same. Before and after are complete LIES.
Load More Replies...Makes me sick to my stomach. How sure were they that it is the right diagnosis back then?
That's all they knew, they thought it was, and they did what they thought was right. Now we know more, but we'll have the same scenario in 100 years. Remember it was the only option back then, either a lobotomy or no treatment.
Load More Replies...Look how happy and healthy he looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective even for children, and doctors would never lie to us or use children and young people for experimentation even though there are other treatments!
I cannot tell if you are serious, but if so they disabled his hypothalamus (a region of the forebrain below the thalamus which coordinates both the autonomic nervous system and the activity of the pituitary, controlling body temperature, thirst, hunger, and other homeostatic systems, and involved in sleep and emotional activity.)
Load More Replies...He looks like he's ready to be a serial killer because the frontal lobe is responsible for higher cognitive functions such as memory, emotions, impulse control, problem solving, social interaction, and motor function. Damage to the neurons or tissue of the frontal lobe can lead to personality changes, difficulty concentrating or planning, and impulsivity.
When Was the Last Lobotomy Performed?
From 1945 to 1947, around 2,000 lobotomies were performed. However, the number skyrocketed to 18,000 after Moniz was awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine for his discovery in 1949.
The development of antipsychotic medications has been the salvation of patients who were next in line for more lobotomies before and after the results.
The final recorded lobotomy in the United States was performed by Dr. Walter Freeman in 1967, tragically resulting in the death of the patient.
Honestly with these photos you can really tell that the doctors only cared about the patients appearances in the end... they didn't bother noting down the side effects or any behavior afterwards
Look how happy and healthy he looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available!
This one is definitely flipped. You can see the marks/bruising from where they did the operation through the eye socket. It's very obvious that most of these are flipped, since a lot of the "afters" it shows them smiling or with nice expressions on their face. Cutting off the frontal lobe makes them void of any emotion & the patient/victim definitely didn't have any positive facial expressions after having this barbaric procedure performed on them, making it obvious that the "before" pics are really the "after" & vice versa.
I may have probably a very small medical knowledge, but one thing for sure that I know is that if you perform lobotomy on a human patient this affects undoubtly in the worst ways also his intellect, so it's pretty near to impossible that the above subject went anywhere near to a night school. Lobotomy isn' t a magical reset procedure, it's a serious brain surgery with too many unwanted side effects that doesn't "turn your life around"...or maybe yes, turns you from a dangerous, ill individual into a being with the same rational power of a coffee table.
I'm sure there were files on each person and daily documents. The doctors didn't care how patients looked...but they looked different after their mentality changed
If the side effect is not feeling like your gonna blow up popping to night school and working sign me up,
What Did Lobotomies Do?
There were many factors why this surgery was deemed acceptable by mental institutions back in the day, mainly because there was no medication or therapy effective enough to treat people who suffered from various mental illnesses. And with electroshock therapy being already in use, this invasive operation didn’t shock people. However, the misinformation and active campaigning for the effectiveness of lobotomy had a significant impact, too.
Walter Freeman helped popularize this procedure in the US, becoming one of the most hated doctors. With no surgical training, Freeman decided to change the operation, and instead of drilling holes in the skull, he stabbed the patient’s brain with an icepick through the eye socket.
Walter Freeman’s lobotomy was an updated method to the point where it only took him 12 minutes to perform it. He traveled around the country in a van called the Lobotomobile and had no problem performing it in non-sterile environments.
However, he and other doctors who performed this procedure often overlooked the gruesome side effects lobotomies caused, mainly focusing on the appearance of the patients and relieving the discomfort the illnesses had caused to their family members.
This attitude is highlighted in the lobotomy pictures that Freeman took of his patients. He used these before and after lobotomy photos as an argument in favor of the procedure. Scroll below to see the disturbing images.
Holy hell. Someone better hold me back! This is beyond, beyond, beyond wrong! And to think that people became so brainwashed into thinking that this was a normal, acceptable "cure", that the practice kept going!
They make nice pets? Pardon me? If I want a pet, I'm getting a dog.
We treat our pets better than that! Horrifying! Especially as someone who has experience of mental health issues. I just wish I could say honestly that "we have come so far since those dark days", but it wouldn't be the truth.
All of the faces on the right are so devoid of thoughts, feelings, personalities. Something between zombies and Stepford wives.
I think it is easy to project that onto the picture since we know it is likely true. If you saw the picture without any context, it would probably be different.
Load More Replies...Look how happy and healthy she looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available! Normalcy through lobotomy! Follow the science!
"She continued well for 6 months" Does that mean she then died or became mentally ill again? either way it isn't great!
It says "She HAS continued well for six months", meaning that at the point when the article was written, only six months had elapsed so they didn't know anything past that
Load More Replies...Uncovering A Dark Chapter In Mental Health Care
This breaks my heart. Imagine living in these times. When you just need support. 💔
Schizophrenia isn't curable with justsupport. It requires heavy duty medication they didn't have back then.
Load More Replies...How come that all of them appears to be well after the lobotomy? As far as I know there are big percent of them getting worse or died from the injury they sustained in the eyes and internally.
It appears that (according to Wikipedia) during the 40s the procedure only had about a 5% mortality rate. That's not surprising, it wasn't a major surgery. A thin instrument through the eye socket, stir the brain around a bit- not of opening up the body. Bit the consequences after- conditions worsening, suicides, people losing their personalities and intelligence- those were the real consequences.
Load More Replies...Well the first picture shows that she's obviously being held against her will so duh I would be upset looking as well, the second she looks like she's high and not any thoughts happening in there. Still no free will really. So sad and messed up.
This is simply terrifying. People scare me. Our society was/still is cruel.
Forcing women back then, forcing women now. The fight for human rights is far from being over..
Load More Replies...I mean she does look better in the second picture, thought mental health is much more complicated and we can't possible know the whole story (before or after) by just looking at a picture.
Oh that poor girl, you can see shes mortally terrified! This was probably taken in the "Operating room" just before she was forced to undergo the vile procedure. Its so heartbreaking.
I want to upvote every picture but it is hard. It feels wrong to up vote - but I will because they deserve to be seen simply for the horror they endured.
Bill Hadley, being a totaly inhuman being, just being able to walk and smile and not understanding anything of what is done to you, what is life, what is everything....That's not a life.
Load More Replies...Look how happy and healthy she looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available! As Lurch would say: "Neat! Sweet! Petite!"
Yes she looks like a child after the barbaric treatment! Probably has the mentality of one after treatment.
You know what? There are times when it isn't just inappropriate to always look on the bright side of life, it's downright unwelcome. THEY SCRAMBLED PART OF HER BRAIN. SHE'S NOT SMILING, SHE'S DROOLING ONTO HER SHIRT.
Load More Replies...lol went from understanding the world to can I help you at McDonalds!!!
The frontal lobe determines our personality to a large degree
Load More Replies...How did his head go from rounded to narrow & longer? Did they change his head shape as well???
His head is shaved and his mouth is open inbthe 2nd one.
Load More Replies...Can't be the same guy, shape of head is different, jaw narrower on right, eye shape is different, not to mention the color of his eyes has changed?
Thats what I thought! But his nose looks the same. This whole thing is just and terrible and i am still amazed the last legal U.S lobotomy was done in 1967!! Thats only 13 years before i was born. Holy s#*t!
Load More Replies...I'm Googl with the words "lobotomy" "flattened head" "narrow head" ... Is this the proof here?
not much difference here - although the 'before' pic looks more respectable...
"Bra not doing the job of making your wife feel like she is somehow innately incomplete and flawed in her natural state of being? Is she now also getting wild ideas about perhaps women not having some sort of built in natural inclination to want to cook, clean, and child rear? No problem! Just book her into the nearest mental ward and have the nice all-male doctoral staff make a completely random brain slurry out of her frontal cortex and she'll be back to washing windows and fixing you cocktails in no time!"
Well! Thank God she could go back to cleaning house! I bet her husband was happy! (ugh!)
Look how happy and healthy she looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available! (OK, admittedly she looked happy and healthy in the first picture as well... Ah, what the heck? It's for science!)
A. candid cute shot before lobotomy B. Posed photo with a big smile probably taken before lobotomy. As we know you could be given a lobotomy for (been a rebelious teen) (Gay) or even Anxiety and depression after childbirth!!! WTF was wrong with these evil doctors in the 20th century 😑😒🙄.
They must’ve lied about the age or maybe ppl aged badly back then. Also if she was that sick all her life, I’m sure the stress of the illness took a toll on her. Just look at how we can age or look beat up after a prolonged period of extreme stress even if we don’t have mental illness.
This procedure probably made patients braindead and that’s why some look like happy go lucky
I think she just has light colored hair and is dressed in old timey clothes. Her hair and clothes just look like a middle aged person of the time period. Also, she is 50 in the second pic. I also read weight gain was a common side effect of lobotomy, which would explain the change in her figure. Yes, people would have looked older sooner then, because cultural expectations around aging were different. But she's not defying science- she's not covered in wrinkles or anything. She just looks, because of the time period and styling, like what a lot of us associate a Grandma to look like.
She doesn't look 49 more like 69! Maybe that's why she got a lobotomy, she thought she was 49 when she was actually 69.
Lobotomy: When Science Went Too Far
"Subject yo compulsive seizures but made no complaint" so since she didn't complain it was totally fine that she randomly seized
And something is still obviously wrong with her eye! So instead of addressing that problem they just disabled her? F*****g horrible!!!
Load More Replies...after ice pick - still not interested in doing anything but now happy about it - oh and the new seisures....This Is Totally Insane!
Gee, she was much better off before. How is this considered to be an improvement? From both photos, you can tell there is something wrong with the right eye. There could have been a tumor causing the pain.
I had the same thought! They could have had their hands busy curing the real problem, but it was easier just to switch of the alarm light. Poor woman...
Load More Replies...Wanna make that annoying family member stop complaining about a little pain? The answer is: stick an icepick through their eye socket (that'll cure that eye pain, right), poke around in their brain, do a little slicing and dicing, and they'll be good as new!
After they stabbed her in the eye, and scrambled her brain, she no longer complained of eye pain...
I love how they add the "constant complaint of painful eye" like its all in her head when you can see on both photos her right eye is abnormal. Poor woman, I wonder if she didn't complain because she had lost the faculties to do so, or if she was afraid they would do it again?
Poor thing probably was not able to complain. If she did have enough left to complain is must have been terrified of what they wold do if she complained
She made no complaints because you killed that in her. I had a 4th cousin who went through shock treatment and was sent home too early. My mom called the shrink and told him so. He said she's fine. She killed herself the same day.
Whoops! Yet another one-off... Of course she made no complaints... The speech center of her brain was destroyed and turned into jello... jello... jello...
The photo on the right reminds me of someone... movie star? Author? ... can't recall who.. now just bugging me
This is Rosemary Kennedy. They labotomized her for being a party girl. How ffff bloody tragic
She looks very angry after the operation. And certainly mentally impaired.
In 1940, struggling economy, job anxiety. Poke your eye with an ice pick. Tah Dah!
Actually no, you don't 'poke your eye', it's transorbital, not through the eye.
Load More Replies..."Six months without a client"- so it didn't solve the job problem then? I am shocked!
Lobotomy.. come and get it! It’ll make you happy healthy and wealthy.. so why not give it a shot? Wtf
OMG! What ever you do don’t tell the politicians that it’s a cure for unemployment!
Gary later went on to fame and fortune with musical hits "Love is Alive" and "Dream Weaver".
Wonder what is meant by "6 months without a client". Was the doctor complaining that nobody was looking for mental-health-via-icepick-to-the-eye? Not something you'd put in a sales brochure.
Another example of how the doctors only cared about the patients appearances afterwards for advertising
Load More Replies...No telling why that was. When you start digging around in people's brains...
Load More Replies...Look how amazingly more happy and healthy she looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available! Stunning success! Flawless victory!
It's amazing what dentures do for a person's looks and attitude
Load More Replies...I took care of a man in the VA hospital about 10 years after WW 2 who had had a lobotomy for violent behavior. He looked like this, but if you looked closely at his eyes, he was thinking "if only I could get up the energy I'd kill you" Very unsettling, very
"surely the scientists erm i mean doctors deemed it far better to lose hair rather than remain skitzo"
Load More Replies...Are we sure this is the same guy? His bone structure is suddenly different.
The before photo, I see that his brows are tightly furrowed either in an angry or worried, but definitely holding much tension there. After lobotomy, he appear relaxed in the brow area, but it's definitely the same man.
Load More Replies...Sylvester went on to become a major success in the film industry, starring in the "Rocky" and "Rambo" movie franchises.
I'm Googl with the words "lobotomy" "flattened head" "narrow head" ... Is this the proof here?
A Haunting Glimpse Into Medical History
Lobotomy, electroshocks and tying to bed. It's so hard to believe that we were so barbaric less than one hundred years ago. I know that even today the treatment of mental illness is far from perfect. Still, I am so grateful that I live today, not few decades ago.
ECT (electric shock) is still used aND has been shown to have some success with treatment-resistant depression. The differences today are that patients must consent first and they are sedated so it's not painful
Load More Replies...Hard to imagine the Kennedy's had one of their sisters lobotomized, kept in an institution. Nahhhh, it ain't hard to imagine.
We still tie people to the beds in some instances. Leather straps with buckles, but the side that touches the wrists/ankles is made of soft materials. They are called "Gentle Reminders" now
indeed,. dont forget what happens if-when one refuses "treatment-injections
Load More Replies...We still had state hospitals in 1960's that warehoused people like this in very primitive ways and the care and treatment was inhuman. .
Look how happy and healthy he looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available! "Look, Ma! No restraints!"
I would act cool too, just so they wouldn't do more messed up stuff to me
I don't think these places cared too much about safety
Load More Replies...I'm thinking this should be standard operating procedure for MOST of those in prison.
Definitely for the murderers, pedophiles and rapists
Load More Replies...Whoops, another one-off! Who left that suicide cord plugged in the outlet there? Knucklehead psych-tech...
But what was even "wrong" with him? Acting weird and having strange mannerisms should lead to a lobotomy =(
he was schizophrenic my man, it dosen't justify the lobotomy but there was something seriously wrong with him.
Load More Replies...How do they even do a second lobotomy? You only have two halves to your brain. :(
Lol. I think you are overestimating the scientific-ness of this operation. If they can wiggle a knife around in your brain once, I'm sure they can just stick it in and wiggle it around a little deeper or in wider circles again a second time.
Load More Replies...If that's what they did for a 'strained expression' I'm horrified of what the cure for my chronic Resting B***h Face would have been.
She was pretty once. Imagine having TWO lobotomies! I bet she as left with a child-like mentality.
her voice probably changed also into one of a "little mouse".
Load More Replies...Lord they did it twice. No longer bothered, poor lady was no longer able to recognise fear!
yea i bet she didnt even flinch if someone brainwashed threatened to slit her throat,. she would probably quite welcome the freedom.
Load More Replies...Look how happy and healthy she looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available! New Year's Special: Buy one lobotomy, and get the second one for half price!
Oh look! She learned how to smile! No practice needed. Just a little poke here and there, it's really no big deal at all!
Well she was catatonic before. In the eyes of her family any independent movement is probably better than none after that.
Load More Replies...Look how happy and healthy she looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available! Remember: Money can't buy you happiness, but it CAN buy you a lobotomy, which can bring you happiness! Be sure to drop by the lobotomobile next time we're in your town!
We now know how to fix underweight people. A hammer and an ice pick.
She probably lost impulse control from the lobotomy and kept eating.
Yeah, I think that has to have something to do with it. The Wiki on lobotomy says weight gain was a side effect.
Load More Replies...The reason she gained weight is because a lobotomy goes directly effects your hypothalamus which is a region of the forebrain below the thalamus which coordinates both the autonomic nervous system and the activity of the pituitary, controlling body temperature, thirst, hunger, and other homeostatic systems, and involved in sleep and emotional activity.
i wonder if she lay whilst attempting to sleep with her arms crossed,. corpse like position?
Load More Replies...No, this caption was cut short. She was Schizophrenic.
Load More Replies...Given that the first weight was 85 lbs., I wonder if this wasn't used as a treatment for anorexia.
Obviously, the surgery did something to her appetite. One of the other ladies stated that she was still hungry soon after eating.
Load More Replies...The original caption that is cut short in this image is as follows: Fig. 59. Case 53 seven weeks after operation. This patient with schizophrenia of 14 months' duration weighed only 85 pounds at the time of operation. . Fig. 60 Case 53 Nearly three years after the operation when she had gained nearly 125 lbs. She was jolly and unrestrained, rather industrious about the house. She had only occasionally positions, lacking concentration.
Hmmm... No change other than weight gain... She must have been a representative or other politician... Lobotomies don't work on them because, well... You know...
They cut the caption short, in the original image the caption goes into more detail about the results
Load More Replies...So the operation made her overweight?! No problem! At least she is smiling! Kind of.
not necessarily, exhaustion from not getting sleep and proper rest looks more or less the same, and that is probably even more common in mental patients than actual pain
Load More Replies...Copy and Paste from Wikipedia: Walter Freeman coined the term "surgically induced childhood" and used it constantly to refer to the results of lobotomy. The operation left people with an "infantile personality"; a period of maturation would then, according to Freeman, lead to recovery. In an unpublished memoir he described how the "personality of the patient was changed in some way in the hope of rendering him more amenable to the social pressures under which he is supposed to exist." He described one 29-year-old woman as being, following lobotomy, a "smiling, lazy and satisfactory patient with the personality of an oyster" who couldn't remember Freeman's name and endlessly poured coffee from an empty pot. When her parents had difficulty dealing with her behaviour, Freeman advised a system of rewards (ice-cream) and punishment (smacks).
Actually...I begged my doctors for one. After years of treatment, I still do. I'd absolutely rather feel nothing than absolute shyte.
this was just propaganda to convince families to pay these doctors hundreds of dollars to help their family members that were not meeting their milestones. I am sickened to say this is our history...
Just wait for what they'll say about us 50 years from now! "Everyone was terrified of a virus that 99% of adults and 100% of children survived without treatment, so they let themselves be talked, bribed, or mandated into accepting a genetic treatment disguised as a 'vaccine'. It was the great purge of 2021, resulting in millions dying from strokes, heart attacks, cancers, or comprehensive autoimmune-system-triggered organ failures."
Load More Replies...I highly recommend "the delusions of certainty" by siri hustvedt. This post is the creepiest sh*t - so frightening and tragic. Forkin' Dr Mengele style megalomania
Look how happy and healthy she looks in the second picture! Clearly lobotomies are safe and effective for everyone, and doctors would never lie to us or use experimental medicine on people even though there might be other treatments available! Post-lobotomy, she's completely worry-free!
Imagine all the ''transient'' people and Vagrants they tested on.Men and Women did this s**t to men and women.
I'd rather be sitting across the table from the lady in the first picture. She seems like she'd have a lot of interesting stories to tell. The one in the second picture just plain scares me
"... household pet ..." Over 50 % of the victims were women with no mental disorder but improper behaviour.
@Maria: Report John Smith. His comment to you was out of line.
Load More Replies...I just read about how Joe Kennedy, Sr. had this done to his daughter Rosemary. It was said that she was mentally slow; she wasn't as smart as her siblings. She may have had a learning disability. But the truth was she was willful and disobeyed her father. Rosemary liked a good time, Joe told her to knock it off, and she wouldn't. He was afraid she'd get "a bad reputation" that would tarnish the family's public image and future prospects. Joe went behind his wife Rose's back and had the procedure done to Rosemary. It succeeded in actually disabling her, though that wasn't the intention. She was put in an institution and hardly mentioned of again. Finally, Joe's sons could all run for public office as they grew older with no stain on the family name. Never mind Joe's bootlegging, cheating on Rose with numerous actresses, and stock market manipulation, and John's messing around with a spy while he was at college. All of THAT was fine, apparently. ::eyeroll::
Well seems that the Life took back pretty much from the patriarch Joe Sr....2 sons
Load More Replies...That comment about "household pet" really bothers me... it's all sorts of wrong.
Obviously this procedure is going to turm many people into "zombies". It may have helped a very few. But was "hit and miss". Turning someone from violent and agressive into a compliant and harmless household pet isnt exactly a cure.
Load More Replies...there could never be a more aberrated, immoral, inhumane, cruel, completely stupid way to treat mental illnesses.
Wait'll you read about good ole' Doctor Henry Cotton. Look it up, you'll have some rage-fun for a while.
Load More Replies...Unpopular opinion here... I do think this procedure is barbaric, but that's because we look at it through todays lenses with the knowledge we now know. I don't think they used this method with malice. They did what they thought was best with the knowledge they had at the time. I work at a cancer hospital. In 20 years time we will look back at the methods we use for treating cancer today as barbaric and inhumane. To explain it as to a child, we use radiation to poison someone. We just hope that it kills the cancer, before it kills the patient. But it's what we had at the time. We didn't have many other options up until very recently. I don't think history will look to kindly on us willfully poisoning people.
I know what you mean and maybe it really helped some very ill and suffering people. Feeling nothing was probably better than being depressed, agitated or schizophrenic all your life. Still this method was used on a lot of people who simply showed inappropriate behaviour. That's what makes it even more babaric.
Load More Replies...Oh yay. 20 years before chlorpromazine. Patients with serious mental illness had not any other chance. This surgery really could "help" somehow, but when it goes wrong, results were much more worse. Our frontal lobe is very complex and it is practically impossible to hit the right neural tracts.
You mean an ice pick shoved into an opaque skull cavity isn't a precision instrument? I'm happy you point out that we can't look at it through today's eyes because today there are many more options. It's all types of f****d up, but it wasn't done with evil intents, as is thought today.
Load More Replies...Granted this is terrible but I have a feeling that in seventy years people will look back on our present treatments with similar horror.
I hope so, actually. It would only mean medicine would have improved. That's an optimistic point of view, if you ask me.
Load More Replies...Today I saw this gallery and few days ago I finished one computer game, "The Town of Light", which takes place in mental asylum in 1940. Nevermind, how many times I read and look at things which happened in these times, I am terrified and sorry. I understand - there were no real cures for mental illnesses in these times. They were doing what they could to help. Still, most of these things seems so wrong and dehumanizing. I am glad that psychiatry has developed. It is still far from perfection but at least now people with mental illness have chance for relatively normal life.
My eldest aunt was born in the early 1940s and suffered from depression her entire life. The "treatment" in the 1950s that she received was electro-shock therapy. If she had been born earlier, like the poor souls in these photos, she likely would have been lobotomized...sad, but true.
my neighbour was "treated" with electroshock in the '80s.
Load More Replies..."... household pet ..." Over 50 % of the victims were women with no mental disorder but improper behaviour.
@Maria: Report John Smith. His comment to you was out of line.
Load More Replies...I just read about how Joe Kennedy, Sr. had this done to his daughter Rosemary. It was said that she was mentally slow; she wasn't as smart as her siblings. She may have had a learning disability. But the truth was she was willful and disobeyed her father. Rosemary liked a good time, Joe told her to knock it off, and she wouldn't. He was afraid she'd get "a bad reputation" that would tarnish the family's public image and future prospects. Joe went behind his wife Rose's back and had the procedure done to Rosemary. It succeeded in actually disabling her, though that wasn't the intention. She was put in an institution and hardly mentioned of again. Finally, Joe's sons could all run for public office as they grew older with no stain on the family name. Never mind Joe's bootlegging, cheating on Rose with numerous actresses, and stock market manipulation, and John's messing around with a spy while he was at college. All of THAT was fine, apparently. ::eyeroll::
Well seems that the Life took back pretty much from the patriarch Joe Sr....2 sons
Load More Replies...That comment about "household pet" really bothers me... it's all sorts of wrong.
Obviously this procedure is going to turm many people into "zombies". It may have helped a very few. But was "hit and miss". Turning someone from violent and agressive into a compliant and harmless household pet isnt exactly a cure.
Load More Replies...there could never be a more aberrated, immoral, inhumane, cruel, completely stupid way to treat mental illnesses.
Wait'll you read about good ole' Doctor Henry Cotton. Look it up, you'll have some rage-fun for a while.
Load More Replies...Unpopular opinion here... I do think this procedure is barbaric, but that's because we look at it through todays lenses with the knowledge we now know. I don't think they used this method with malice. They did what they thought was best with the knowledge they had at the time. I work at a cancer hospital. In 20 years time we will look back at the methods we use for treating cancer today as barbaric and inhumane. To explain it as to a child, we use radiation to poison someone. We just hope that it kills the cancer, before it kills the patient. But it's what we had at the time. We didn't have many other options up until very recently. I don't think history will look to kindly on us willfully poisoning people.
I know what you mean and maybe it really helped some very ill and suffering people. Feeling nothing was probably better than being depressed, agitated or schizophrenic all your life. Still this method was used on a lot of people who simply showed inappropriate behaviour. That's what makes it even more babaric.
Load More Replies...Oh yay. 20 years before chlorpromazine. Patients with serious mental illness had not any other chance. This surgery really could "help" somehow, but when it goes wrong, results were much more worse. Our frontal lobe is very complex and it is practically impossible to hit the right neural tracts.
You mean an ice pick shoved into an opaque skull cavity isn't a precision instrument? I'm happy you point out that we can't look at it through today's eyes because today there are many more options. It's all types of f****d up, but it wasn't done with evil intents, as is thought today.
Load More Replies...Granted this is terrible but I have a feeling that in seventy years people will look back on our present treatments with similar horror.
I hope so, actually. It would only mean medicine would have improved. That's an optimistic point of view, if you ask me.
Load More Replies...Today I saw this gallery and few days ago I finished one computer game, "The Town of Light", which takes place in mental asylum in 1940. Nevermind, how many times I read and look at things which happened in these times, I am terrified and sorry. I understand - there were no real cures for mental illnesses in these times. They were doing what they could to help. Still, most of these things seems so wrong and dehumanizing. I am glad that psychiatry has developed. It is still far from perfection but at least now people with mental illness have chance for relatively normal life.
My eldest aunt was born in the early 1940s and suffered from depression her entire life. The "treatment" in the 1950s that she received was electro-shock therapy. If she had been born earlier, like the poor souls in these photos, she likely would have been lobotomized...sad, but true.
my neighbour was "treated" with electroshock in the '80s.
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