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Parenting is one of life’s biggest and most enjoyable challenges. Helping your children grow into incredibly capable, morally upstanding, and passionate dreamers is every parent’s wish. However… we sometimes lose faith in the future of the human race when we see how some parents are acting online. The sad fact is, just because someone is a parent doesn’t mean that they’re a good one (even if they love their kids as much as anyone else).

There’s an online group on Reddit with 245k members called '[Stuff] Mom Groups Say' that’s been active since 2018. It's dedicated to shaming bad moms and all of their mom group drama. From anti-vaxx showdowns to debates about essential oils, the subreddit believes that these parents deserve to be called out for their behavior that, frankly, causes more harm than good.

Scroll down to lose a chunk of your faith in humanity, upvote the best of the worst pics, and do let us know what you think about these anti-parents, dear Pandas. Bored Panda spoke about the drama and misinformation that sometimes can be found in social media mom groups with the moderators of the '[Stuff] Mom Groups Say' subreddit, as well as with Samantha Scroggin, the founder of the 'Walking Outside in Slippers' parenting blog. Check out what they had to say below to pick up some great advice.

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This Mom On Why She Is Refusing The Big C19 Vaccine

This Mom On Why She Is Refusing The Big C19 Vaccine

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Jonathan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This needs to stop. There are a lot of Muslims in my country that refuse to get the vaccine because people are saying there is pork in it!!

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Why Do They All Have To Hate Science Though?

Why Do They All Have To Hate Science Though?

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Why Are Karen’s So Against Thermometers? Don’t Consent! Bonus Snark At The End

Why Are Karen’s So Against Thermometers? Don’t Consent! Bonus Snark At The End

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Julie C Rose
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet I bet if their government talked about banning ACTUAL assault weapons due to someone ACTUALLY shooting children, she’d screech about “communism”.

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"In my experience with online parenting communities, it's best to abide by the rules posted in these groups. Usually, that means no selling anything and no foul language, at a minimum. I generally try to be patient with people and open to different viewpoints, but it's aggravating when people are acting ignorant or spreading misinformation. In those cases, I try to give evidence of the facts without personal attacks," parenting blogger Samantha said.

Samantha used to be a professional journalist and is now a public information officer which means that she's very wary of fake facts. "Parents will make all kinds of claims in parenting groups online, including that vaccines are harmful. They'll recommend all sorts of remedies. But it's up to us to seek out reputable sources of information to help us make our own decisions on what's best for our kids," she warned that we have to do proper research instead of believing every bit of advice that we find online.

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"I think we should reserve judgment of others' parenting styles when the actions taken are harmful to the child. And I realize what is harmful is open to interpretation. But if no one is being abused, let's have some grace for one another and the choices we make. Each child is different, and parents often know what works best for their child. Parenting is hard, and we can use as much support as we can get," she added.

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I Asked About Learning Activities For My Toddler

I Asked About Learning Activities For My Toddler

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Mohsie Supposie
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"kindergarten as it is now" ... I don't know what kind of kindergarten you have, but the ones that I know of involve a lot of play time and fun activities, including learning social skills. Of course kindergarten teachers are well aware of kids' short attention spans, so they would plan the activities and learning accordingly.

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Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here

Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here

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The Mom Group I'm In Is A Goldmine For Crazy. I Posted About My 2 Year Old Asking For Privacy In The Bathroom And This Was A Comment I Got

The Mom Group I'm In Is A Goldmine For Crazy. I Posted About My 2 Year Old Asking For Privacy In The Bathroom And This Was A Comment I Got

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Meanwhile, a lot of the subreddit's moderators pitched in to answer Bored Panda's questions. The mods explained that mom groups can sometimes be full of potentially dangerous misinformation, a desire to make money off more naive parents, and perpetuating "toxic rhetoric with zero consequences." The community also calls out those online groups that fanatically believe they're raising their kids "The Right Way" and anyone not doing so is a bad parent.

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"The biggest lies are the coordinated lies spread in these groups on new parents at a vulnerable point of their lives. These women don’t need essential oils, or colloidal silver, they need paid family leave, affordable post-Partum care, health equities," one moderator explained. "New parents can be as dramatic as they want to be, they’re sleep-deprived and scared and have bills piling up and a new baby. Parental groups are allowed to be dramatic, they reflect the rawest human nature at one of the most 'precious' and yet frighteningly lonesome, most physically and mentally demanding, moments of our lives."

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Is Covid19 Real? Asked And Answered In A Local Mom Group

Is Covid19 Real? Asked And Answered In A Local Mom Group

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Roland Gosselin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I will immediately ignore you if I don't agree with your views/facts/science"

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Gay Satanic Clowns

Gay Satanic Clowns

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

May the Gay Satanic Clowns save us all from overzealous Bible-thumpers

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It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids

It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids

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The moderator continued: "So when people enter their lives promising a listening ear, a magical solution, and then shame them for breastfeeding or not breastfeeding, for co-sleeping, or sleep training, or not using magical amber teething beads, or for choosing vaccinations, then those are the heinous people that need to be shamed. They are actively manipulating people with a phony agenda and they need to be called out.”

Another moderator told Bored Pand that what inspired them to start the subreddit in the first place was the overall culture in mom groups that pushed their personal parenting philosophies as the one and only way to parent.

"These groups (like Cherry Universal, with specific subgroups for the crunchy moms and the sanctimonious moms) focus on preaching their way of parenting and viciously attack anyone who doesn’t fall in line. They’re a bigger problem for society too. Do you want to know where the anti-masking movement started? Look at posts from March-May of 2020 in crunchy mom groups. They push and perpetuate vaccine misinformation and an overall general mistrust of science and they use shame, groupthink, and banning to enforce their beliefs."

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Maybe Because That’s Illegal

Maybe Because That’s Illegal

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don’t do it. Simple as that. Also apologise and learn from your mistakes. Breastmilk is a bodily fluid. What if I ran out of water, should I piss in the brownies instead.

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However, the mod pointed out that far from every single mom group is bad. "Our birth month group, for example, has been the saving grace of my journey into parenthood. I have a cohort of parents who all have a child at the same age as mine. It’s a great way to get a quick pulse on typical development and also just feel generally supported, validated, challenged to be a better parent or find different and better ways to parent in a shame-free environment. I have a virtual village and that is just really incredible."

They continued: "To be really honest, it was how supportive I found my birth month group to be that sent me out in search of additional groups. My infant won’t eat baby food—oh, maybe I should check out this baby-led weaning group for ideas! (It was great, by the way.) But then when we started stumbling onto other groups that were just cesspools of negativity, abuse, bullying, etc, we learned about the subculture of 'mommy drama groups' and decided to bring it out into the public eye."

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#13

Guilt Tripping Your 3 Yo Child Into Nursing Is Gross

Guilt Tripping Your 3 Yo Child Into Nursing Is Gross

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From A Mom Group On Instagram. I Guess People Without Children Are Not Allowed To Be Tired

From A Mom Group On Instagram. I Guess People Without Children Are Not Allowed To Be Tired

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate people like that. I am chronically ill. I am so weak that last monday I slowly walked 30min and the muscle pain lasted until yesterday , sunday. Tell me how I am not tired because I dont have kids.

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We’ve written extensively about how to be a great parent and how to help your kids become independent. And, considering that there still are (and always will be) plenty of parents out there who either stifle their kids or who constantly exhaust themselves, the advice bodes repeating.

Anita Cleare, a parenting expert and the author of ‘The Work/Parent Switch,’ explained to Bored Panda in a previous interview all about how to overcome the desire to be a ‘perfect’ parent and how to stay positive when we’re all way, way too exhausted.

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According to parenting expert Cleare, aiming to be a ‘perfect’ parent is the wrong way to go about things. This does more harm than good because it puts lots of unreachable expectations and undue pressure on both parents and children alike.

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That’s Not How Any Of This Works

That’s Not How Any Of This Works

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Given To My Daughter Through A Mom Group

Given To My Daughter Through A Mom Group

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El Dee
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was brought up religious and made to read the bible. Whether you believe the bible or not it certainly DOESN'T say that dinosaurs were made on the sixth day. Even for Christians this is BS

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My Child's Future Means Nothing To Me

My Child's Future Means Nothing To Me

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giovanna
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So this is the next level: the no-certificaters. There is a lobby pressuring for you to have a birth certificate BUT I WANT TO LIVE IN FREEDOM THEY WON'T HAVE ME

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“Trying to be a perfect parent is bad for children and bad for parents because it sets everybody up to fail. Research shows that ‘good enough’ parenting is best for children,” Cleare explained.

Instead, the expert suggests that all parents aim for ‘good enough’ parenting that actually helps improve our kids’ independence instead of them being overly-reliant on us.

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In Cleare’s words, this involves “getting it right most of the time but also failing your children in ways they can handle—so that they gradually increase their independence.”

#19

Vaccinations Made My Daughter Gay

Vaccinations Made My Daughter Gay

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Do Babies Give Hickies?

Do Babies Give Hickies?

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Joanna Payen
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my daughter was only a few weeks old I bent down to give her a kiss and she latched onto my chin. She had such a powerful suck that I had to break the suction by inserting my little finger in between my chin and her mouth. I had a red mark on my chin for quite a few weeks. So, yes my little human vacuum cleaner gave me a hickie.

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This Extreme Fear-Mongering Pisses Me Off So Much

This Extreme Fear-Mongering Pisses Me Off So Much

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Natalia
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nooooo. Stupidity is not contagious, why should the flu shot be?😳

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According to parenting expert Cleare, “Great parents make mistakes but they try to learn from them (and not to repeat them too often!).”

No matter your parenting style, you can’t do much if you’re overworked and exhausted. That means that looking after yourself is priority number one. If you put yourself last, you’re not doing your kids any favors, Cleare told Bored Panda.

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#22

F Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!

F Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!

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From An Unschooling Facebook Page. Poor Kid

From An Unschooling Facebook Page. Poor Kid

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I Literally Don't Even Know What To Say

I Literally Don't Even Know What To Say

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Jon S.
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm all for consenting adults doing what the hell they want, but its the implication that suckling an ill person will change her breast milk to protect from that illness that gets me.

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El Dee
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Listen, do it if you want - just don't kid yourself it's for 'health reasons'

Donkey boi
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Recent studies have shown that when a baby feeds directly from the mother, the saliva in the baby's mouth send signals to receptors in the areola for the formula to change to suit the baby's nutritional needs. This can be helpful when the baby is sick. As far as I am aware, the study did not include adults.

BorPand8
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Eh, consenting adults. I did not need to know about it though.

Roxy Eastland
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's be clear, in Mongolia (for example) breast milk is considered very normal and very healthful. It is absolutely normal for adults to drink it on occasion. The fact people are so very disturbed by this speaks less well of our society.

Flare
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm guessing that in Mongolia, the breast milk is pasteurized like cow milk is to prevent sickness?

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Lynn Morello
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I did not just read that. I did not just read that. I did not just read that. I did not just read that.

Joseph OReilly
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm getting the holy water and the eye dropper if anyone else wants it

Alex De Leon
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and f*****g died

Bianca Du Toit
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well there have been studies done that suggest that breastmilk can cure cancer, or at least relieve the effects of it. It was a while ago though, I don't know if that theory was studied further.

Leo Domitrix
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The basic biology fail in this is stunning. Not. How. it. Works.

Tammy Evans
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Actually studies have shown that a mother's breast milk can change based on her bodies analysis of the baby's saliva. It can actually give the baby antibodies that the mother possesses that the child does not have. You should look it up, it is very interesting. The marvel of the human body.

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Patricia
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The lady a few posts up, with the sore milkies, needs to read this.

Rod Egret
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How this kind of brain dead vacuum can operate a technological device like a phone or a computer is just beyond me....

Ben Moss
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The really weird thing is why we think it’s more healthy or normal to drink milk from anything BUT a human, when you think about it.

embarrassed american
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The only reason a partner should ingest breast milk is when it happens accidentally when you're getting freaky deaky

Dorothy Parker
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unless he has impetigo aka pink eye, no. Just no. How does hsr milk accomodate. It magically transforms?

Jitka Svobodová
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another breastfeeding post which makes me wonder: do these people think breast milk is some kind of all mighty magicaI potion that cures everything? Is the breastfeeding propaganda that strong? I mean, I got influenced by it also, Made me really depressed I couldn't breastfeed more than 6 months, met some mothers who were brestfeeding their 4 y-o, but damn, that's whole new level...

Vince
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i mean there are women that you know, swallow their BF/husband's semen or is it just a porn thing

May
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm confused. She thinks breastfeeding her husband will put antibodies in her milk, so that her children are protected? That doesn't make any sense!

Tammy Evans
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Actually there have been studies that show that a mother's breast milk can change to add antibodies that a sick baby needs. Look it up. It is very interesting.

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lara
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OMG. I guess it isn't her turn to use the one brain cell.

JessG
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is a whole subculture out there that believes breast milk is a beneficial part of a diet. There's a documentary series on Netflix called "(Un)well". There are definite issues with adults consuming breast milk. Health and ethical issues

James016
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your husband needs to speak to someone. My wife keeps well away if I get sick with anything.

Richard Henderson
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Husband just wants to suck on mummy titties. Big, beautiful, mummy titties!

Mewton’s Third Paw
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think she’s using “know” in a weird way, as if she means she is training her milk to heal him. So many mothers are insane garbage.

CrEaTiVe_duck
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

ahem of course the husband is on board... but W H Y just W H Y just give them turmeric mixed in any milk but breast milk and you're good

Mewton’s Third Paw
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That’s disgusting. You people can’t think of any other way to use one of the world’s most famous spices but to put it in milk..?

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He's a pervert. She's a pervert. Great match, but don't breed yourself...

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“Even when you are really busy, try to find regular 5-20 minute breaks in your day when you can relax, practice some mindfulness, or do something joyful,” she said.

“Looking for the positives really does increase positivity,” the parenting expert added, suggesting that we try to maintain positive mindsets by being grateful and thinking about, for example, the 3 things that we’re glad to have in our lives.

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Uhhhh Would This Be A Major Red Flag To Anyone Else?

Uhhhh Would This Be A Major Red Flag To Anyone Else?

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They're Not Vaxxing Their Dogs Either

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My Kid's Dentist Told Me Skipping Antibiotics Will Be Really Painful For Her, So I'd Like To Go Ahead And Do That

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually have never heard of someone taking antibiotics BEFORE tooth extraction. Is this really a thing coz I have had 4 teeth extracted and not once did I need to do that. Afterwards yes, but not before.

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Meanwhile, Lenore Skenazy, the president of the Let Grow nonprofit that aims to promote kids’ independence and fights overprotection, explained to us that children’s confidence grows when they know that others believe in them.

“A teacher, coach, grandparent, or, of course, parent who thinks you are terrific and ready to wow the world can make all the difference in the world,” Skenazy said, pointing out that when the support’s not there, it can have negative consequences on the child. So it’s important to balance support while also letting kids develop their independence.

According to Skenazy, how a parent tells their kids something is often more important than what they tell them to do. Kids take cues from grownups, so even phrasing something differently or using a different tone can have positive effects even if the topic that’s being talked about is far from pleasant.

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Thats More Than 3 Pagents A Month If They Start When She Was Born! Of Course The Poor Thing Doesn't Want To Out Her Sippy Cup Down Shes A Baby!

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Who Says You Can't Be Cool And Rebellious Once You're A Mom

Who Says You Can't Be Cool And Rebellious Once You're A Mom

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“The best way to make sure that a child starting out in the world feels like their parents believe in them—rather than simply being fed up—is for the parent to make it explicit!” Skenazy explained that this is how parents can communicate to their kids that it’s time to be more independent.

The expert also highlighted that telling the child that you’ll always love them, even though they’re becoming more independent is a healthy, mature way of communicating with them. However, that relies heavily on the parents themselves learning to loosen their grips on their kids and setting the bar for their expectations lower (which, maybe counterintuitively, leads to healthier, happier families).

So, dear Readers, what did you think of this list? Were there any pics that made you go, “Wow, that’s enough internet for me today?” Where do you think the line between being a good and a bad parent lies? What’s the best way to avoid drama on parent groups on social media? Share your thoughts and feelings in the comment section below. And remember, stay excellent!

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Please Don’t Make Me Explain Why

Please Don’t Make Me Explain Why

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Yeah, That’s Just Insane

Yeah, That’s Just Insane

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Common Core Is Definitely Part Of The Leftist Agenda

Common Core Is Definitely Part Of The Leftist Agenda

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InvincibleRodent
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Home schooling group" kinda defeats the purpose of it being homeschooling, doesn't it. Doing it in a group is not a "home schooling group", that's an illegally operated, small school with unqualified teachers.

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If Only It Fixed Everything (Found In My Breastfeeding Group)

If Only It Fixed Everything (Found In My Breastfeeding Group)

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I Guess You’re Out Of Luck Then

I Guess You’re Out Of Luck Then

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God Forbid, A Bald Baby!

God Forbid, A Bald Baby!

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BrokenFlame
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bruh this child is going to have self-esteem issues if the parents continue to do this all the way up to adult stage.

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Prayer Isn’t Billable To Insurance, Karen

Prayer Isn’t Billable To Insurance, Karen

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think they're called shamans, but I don't think they believe in Jesus :/

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Who Knew I Wasn’t A Real Mom?

Who Knew I Wasn’t A Real Mom?

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Some Girl Posted A Question Asking Pregnant Moms If They Thought They Have Or Have Had Covid-19...

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good for you. Now tell that to the 2+million people who have died and the millions more suffering with severe adverse side effects months later. It’s like saying, I didn’t die from not wearing seatbelts so clearly we don’t need them.

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Acv And Lemon Juice, The Literal Cure-All!

Acv And Lemon Juice, The Literal Cure-All!

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Brandy Grote
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It might break down calcium carbonate on your chrome fixtures, but you might do more harm than good with this. Depends on diabetes, kidneys, potassium levels...

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“They”

“They”

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Donkey boi
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dear concerned citizen, This is a lie. The magnetic field created by our microchips power core causes them to stick to the inside of the needle. We now give all microchips via ice-cream. Kind regards, 'they'.

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Karen Spreading Some Hard Truths

Karen Spreading Some Hard Truths

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Deborah B
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is the world without vaccines for ONE pandemic causing disease. Imagine if we were also unprotected from measles, mumps, chicken pox, diptheria, polio, whooping cough, rubella, and many more...

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The Unique Name Olympics Are In Full Swing

The Unique Name Olympics Are In Full Swing

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N G
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Finn isn't that bad. Fairly certain it was a not uncommon name back in the early 90s (or even earlier)

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#46

How Long Are We Using Months Now?

How Long Are We Using Months Now?

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Yikes

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Bill
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Humanity has had sex with their kids in the room for most of history

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