"Many of these holdouts are concerned about the "what happens next", what will the government "for your own good" us to do" HA! No, they aren't. They use that as their excuse but the second it's their side pushing it they gobble it up. These are the same idiots who think they should be allowed to ban gay marriage, abortion, and anything else against their personal beliefs but then cry persecution if someone asks them to say "Happy Holidays"

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And I'll go a step further, trust in the government is at an all time low. Trust in the media is at an all time low. The makers of vaccines are immune to be sued for damages (at least in the US) so if they bungle this and 25 years from now we all get cancer because of this, Pharma gets to keep their hoards of government money. So to an anti-vaxxer, they are being told TRUST and BELIEVE the very people they have the least faith in, and then they are being harangued by zealots who are usually less informed than their antivaxx peers. And yeah, many of them believe things which aren't true, because they don't trust traditional media, and so they rely on peer news, which is how you get bizarre stories like swollen balls post-vax.

Your so called "peer news" does very little research and is purely reactionary and prejudiced. They bend the truth to fit their own stupid delusions of why "government and science is bad".

And on the flip side the "news" news does very little research and is nearly purely reactionary and prejudiced. I never said peer news was good or desirable, Jenifer.

Klas, you asked how are they killing others. While the ICUs are filled with proplague patients, sertain surgeries can't be performed. There are people wating for heart surgery that are dying cos they can't get the surgery untill there is an ICU bed available. The swine flu vaccine problem had everything to do with shitty genes. The people that got narcolepsy from it, would have gotten it from the virus too or with high propability later in life from some other virus. The smartest know this and get vaccinated. How many proven covid vaccine deaths are there in Sweden? In Finland it's 2 / 9,5 million vaccinated. I take those odds.

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Latest figures from the WHO after consultation with other world leaders, drs and scientists now put Pfizer at 36% efficacy. Well below the target to keep people safe and also for controlling the contagion. Sadly these are facts. A miracle vaccine that worked would have been great, despite my views on vaccines. This is not about me or a movement, it's about what should have worked but hasn't. It's about finding a new solution and back to the drawing board with the Vax and start again and keep doing it untill it IS right. That's how science and vaccines have worked since forever, by making products that actually work. And then giving them to the sheep.

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Ohfg! The info is readily available for you to find. Please learn how to do your research, the above commenter has just told on the Pfizer web page. This is why pro vaxxers are seen as stupid by the educated pro choice individual. You preach safe this and safe that AGAINST the what the manufacturer actually states. So blinded!

My point is that if you are claiming there are "serious side effects", then you need to be prepared to be specific about it, in the wake of all the disinformation that's being distributed. I HAVE done all appropriate research and for me, personally, the risks of contracting Covid far outweigh the MINIMAL risks of the FDA approved vaccine. And I don't preach anything to anyone, but I do expect those who are preaching to back up broad statements with FACTS. Here's another fact for you, and a direct quote from the CDC " No serious adverse events were considered by FDA as possibly related to vaccine".

I guess you found it too difficult to google then.

We can google just fine but since you claimed there are "many serious side effects", its your burden to provide citations to support your claim. Furthermore just because you work in hospital doesn't mean you are qualified to advice about a viral infection. All we know you could be on maintenance team, an IT team, security team or cafeteria team of that said hospital.

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You're an idiot. The proof is SMASHING you in the face and still you deny.

Nope most of us have common sense. "Most" of us.

Google can't give any reliable sources. There are just crazy people talking out of their ar*e. That's why people are asking if you Kat can give any source for reliable scientific source for this? But from your snatky answer I can already see that you can"t because there are none. By googling you can find reassurance for any crazy idea you can come up with but that doesn't make it a truth.

Pfizers own page isn't random googling. I bet they are reliable enough.

Then link it here and point to the numbers. The serious side effects are so rare they don't even give it a number.