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Anti-Vaxxer Tries To Prove Vaccines Cause Autism, Someone Finds A Genius Way To Show They’re Wrong
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Anti-Vaxxer Tries To Prove Vaccines Cause Autism, Someone Finds A Genius Way To Show They’re Wrong

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It’s been a raging debate for what seems like forever already, yet the anti-vaccination topic seems to have more and more people confused. Despite the lack of substantial research proving the dangers of vaccines as the people on those groups would like us to believe, anti-vaxxers try their best to come up with arguments to prove everyone otherwise.

It is not rare that the discussion about vaccines quickly brings up the topic of autism, despite the myth being repeatedly debunked and with zero cases of vaccines and autism linked cases existing. This internet user decided to use the correlation of the number of vaccines given to the U.S. children and the number of autism diagnoses as proof of their argument. However, people quickly responded to the original post by providing their own ‘arguments’ on the history of vaccines, in a hilarious way of course. Scroll down to read the full post and the healthy pro-vaccination discussion that followed, below and tells us what you think!

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As a writer and image editor for Bored Panda, Giedrė crafts posts on many different topics to push them to their potential. She's also glad that her Bachelor’s degree in English Philology didn’t go to waste (although collecting dust in the attic could also be considered an achievement of aesthetic value!) Giedrė is an avid fan of cats, photography, and mysteries, and a keen observer of the Internet culture which is what she is most excited to write about. Since she's embarked on her journalistic endeavor, Giedrė has over 600 articles under her belt and hopes for twice as much (fingers crossed - half of them are about cats).

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Lazy Panda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: even if vaccines did cause autism it takes a special kind of evil to hate autistic children so much that you’d prefer to have a dead or suffering child

diane a
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

it is just utter common sense to vaccinate. Herd immunity only works so long as the entire herd are immune. The huge increase in contagious childhood diseases(that once were eradicated) over the last few years is entirely down to antivaxers thinking they are special

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Chris Jones
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here we go again! Anti-vaxxers are utter morons and there is no valid argument. Lies, damned lies and statistics - you can make them show anything as the responses prove. Autism not caused by vaccines. End of.

diane a
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6 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the anti vaxxers even make an issue of it - Declaring on social media that they refuse to have their little darling immune to killer contagious childhood diseases - and the parents themselves would have been immunised as children

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Magdalina777
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Haha, nice graphs. I remember when I was studying probability theory/statistics at uni our teacher told us a fun story - at one point the scientists in one of the European countries decided to do certain research(can't remember the details unfortunately). And...they found that apparently the number of babies being born correlates pretty closely with the number of storks in the area. So...babies are brought by storks after all?! But after more research they found out it's in fact the other way round - the country had recently passed a law that made it easier for newly wed couples to get their own houses(lots of new houses built just for that too). So all of a sudden a whole lot of young couples were getting their own places - and, as a consequence, a lot of them also felt comfortable getting babies=>more babies. But at the same time all of those nice new houses in the country were super convenient for stork nests=>more storks ;) Gotta be careful with your statistics.

Wil Vanderheijden
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's just one way to stop this Anti-vax movement and that's legislation. There could be laws that prohibit day care centers to take in children that aren't vaccinated, laws to force parents to have their children vaccinated. If the Child protection services are so swift on interfering when a "free range kid" is reported, why can't they take children away from parents who refuse to have them vaccinated?

veryvenasaur
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just to play devils advocate what about people who can't safely be vaccinated I have a friend who's sister received a vaccine and ended up hospitalized from a rare reaction so the parents decided not to try to continue vaccinating the child since the reaction is often fatal. Obviously this is very rare and I've only ever met one person who even knows someone who that's happened to but would those people be allowed to not be vaccinated or would they be forced to repetitively risk their lives.

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Leo Domitrix
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Other possible correlative if not causative factors: Age of people when they have kids (aging parents are being studied as a factor, btw, for real, no joke); cumulative effect of environmental toxins on parental DNA (e.g., exposure to lead/lead gas exhaust, pesticides, etc., causing glitches in transcription); and this can go on for-freaking-ever. But it's not vaccines, or what is in vaccines. THOSE SAVE LIVES. People in other countries find anti-vaxxing inhumane and child endangerment. I agree.

Carol Emory
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My criminology professor pointed out that anything can be correlated if the numbers are right. As in, ice cream consumption increases during summer months....so does burglaries. So therefore, ice cream must cause people to want to commit burglaries. Actual..the factor in play is warm weather. People eat more ice cream during hot summer months and burglars are more likely to break into homes during the summer months when people are on vacation and when it's not so freezing cold outside.

Aunt Messy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My criminology professor used this example: 99% of spouses who are beaten, therefore 99% of men beat their wives. ...///... Yes. That is as stupid as it sounds.

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Amina Hays
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have autism and anti-vaxxers are not only incorrect, they're upsetting. They're essentially saying they'd prefer their child to die of a completely avoidable disease than have autism. I know what my mum prefers and it isn't having a dead kid.

Alex Bailey
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anti-vaxxers seriously don't really think their child runs the risk of becoming sick or dead if they don't vaccinate, they think it's a tiny, almost impossible risk. People are good at convincing themselves of what they want to believe. People are scared of autism, not because they hate autistic children, but because they are scared that they won't be able to cope with a disabled child. It's fear about their own abilities. At the heart of it they fear they won't be any good at parenting a child they think might be different. It is all about them, not their children.

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Cat Kittey
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM!!! Vaccines are good things! They help your body build antibodies to fight off the actual virus when you become exposed to it. Without vaccines, your body is defenseless against these horrific diseases and you could die from them. Get vaccinated! The binding agents, however, could be to blame. Many binding agents include various forms of mercury. Many people are VERY hypersensitive to mercury. I know from personal experience. I almost went blind from the mercury that was used in contact solutions many years ago. Oh, No!!! What should I do? Pharmaceutical companies do make vaccines without mercury compounds. Ask your doctor for vaccines that do not contain mercury compounds.

Craig Silberman
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Autism rates have NOT been rising. What has been rising is diagnoses of autism, which correlate inversely to the decline in diagnoses of other mental handicaps. People who would have been called "r******d" thirty or forty years ago are being diagnosed as autistic today. And the rate of the two is level, not rising.

Pancho Zapata
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

allow the herd mentality to test the vaccines and it would be wise to accept them only after being proven successful. one should know that all vaccines applied in the 50,s and sixties have been improved or banned since.

Lola
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have no problem with people who refuse to vaccinate their children as long as they go live on Mars. One thing always bothered me though, how come no one mentions that the drug use has increased by a lot for the past few years. How come no one talks about the correlation between a drug abuser mom and having a child with autism afterward? Also, from experience, 8 out of the 10 times I meet a parent of a child with autism, the parents have serious mental issues. Don’t get me wrong, it does not happen with everybody, but it is definitely genetic as well.

Kimberly Kasper
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Clearly you need to get out more! I know many parents of autistic children who are mentally stable. It’s quite ignorant to say drug abusers and the mentally ill have autistic children. Your 8 out of 10 is quite high. It’s much more likely you don’t know many people with autism.

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Stannous Flouride
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is similar to the 'average life span' in history. It's usually given as in the 30s or 40s but that number is an average and greatly influenced by the high infant mortality of the times. If you made it to 18 you (and didn't work in an insanely dangerous job) you had a very good chance of living past 60. The vaccines kept many children from dying so they lived long enough to be seen as autistic.

John Ashley
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True... but that line of "reasoning" (which I've heard many times) is flawed as it ignores a corollary. It wasn't just high infant mortality in generations past that accounted for the lower average life span. Fewer people lived longer. Because, in those times, increasing years produced declining health. Which is true today also... but as medical advances decreased infant mortality, it also decreased old age mortality. People are also living longer in general, not just on average.

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diane a
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

you cant diagnose autism until well after the age a child is vaccinated - I hope every autistic child has been vaccinated for their own safety. I feel for the unvaccinated autistic children - who do the parent blame?

Anggi Pangastuti
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a mom whose son is within the spectrum and as a witness on how vaccine is actually helping people, these anti vaxxers are annoying. Be it anti vaxxers due to their religious belief or autism. Once you don't vaccinate your child, you put your child and other people in risk. I guess it's human's nature to think that they are right and others are wrong unless they experience bad things themselves...

Abby Rexroth
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think it's vaccines, I think it's the packaging and the preservatives in foods that are dinking with our DNA and thus the men and women that ate a lot of processed foods as children are having children and more and more of them are being born with issues, developing cancer, autism, et. al. I'm not a doctor or geneticist but it would be interesting if they did a study on the increased consumption of packaged/preserved foods of children in the 70s and 80s who's children are being diagnosed with these conditions and others. My argument is that my mother's generation, 1930s, didn't consume many or any products that were packaged in anything other than glass, paper or fabric. My generation (the 1960s and 70s) are the generation of the colorful cereals and pop tarts etc. very few of my generation has autism but our children do. We ate the c**p we saw on TV our parents ate home cooked meals seems like a justified research project.

Michelle Dodson
Community Member
6 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My Grandmother had polio when she was a kid. We're pretty sure she was born in 1914, but we do know she was never vaccinated. Polio doesn't only affect your limbs (including limb deformity. Her left ankle was always swollen and she always kinda dragged that leg) it can also affect your respiratory system. But by all means - let's listen to a former Playboy model and a nationally known tattoo artist who sleeps with married men for our information on medical issues. Because THAT'S where I want to get MY information.

Michelle Dodson
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've never seen any documentation/study/research that quantitatively proves a correlation between vaccines & Austism. It didn't get any attention until Jenny McCarthy started shooting off her mouth about her son, Ethan. I understand as a Mom, you want someone to blame, that's pretty normal - but guess what? Sometimes there just ISN'T. Medical conditions occur. S**t just happens. It sucks, but it's the truth. Now we've got a generation of anti-vaxxers whose role models are Jenny McCarthy and Kat Von Dee. And I thought having Trump as a president f*****g sucked.

somnomania
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen similar increases in people who have or know about the condition I have, Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. That doesn't mean something's suddenly causing it, since it's a genetic condition; it just means awareness is spreading and doctors know more about what to look for. It's the same with the autism spectrum.

Pungent Sauce
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We’re still trying to “prove anti-vaccers wrong”? Louis Pasteur is rolling in his Petri dish.

ADHORTATOR
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

...and the number of Pirates has an impact on climate change...

diane a
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my nephew has mild Aspbergers Syndrome - the most intelligent child i have ever met in my life

Freya the Wanderer
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As Disraeli said, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. It isn't that difficult to massage numbers in order to prove a point. I could "prove" that women who drive gray cars are more likely to suffer miscarriages than women who drive blue ones, or a whole lot of other silly things.

HorrorEyeArcade
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

bro if vaccines cause autism i say give your child autism, it ain't a bad thing and certainly doesn't threaten your childs life like not getting vaccinated does

Frozengeckolover
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My brother was born in 1977. He did poorly in school, so my parents home schooled us. I was five years younger than him and I finally got him reading at an appropriate level when he was 15. The poor kid hated reading because it was so hard for him. I came across a book about learning disabilities in the library and showed my parents. He was finally diagnosed with Asperger's and dyslexia in 1998. He was 21. We were both vaccinated, but he's autistic and I'm not. P.s. He loves reading now. I'm so happy for him. Books are great!

cwa92464
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Friggin hilarious...Penn & Teller still best video on why they are Bullsh*t

Kim Lorton
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think, anti vaccers, need to live somewhere that they can all infect each other, and then when their kids get measles and die, they don’t give it to someone else, and only have themselves to blame. And because no one is vaccinated, the colony wouldn’t last long.

Hamlets twin
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if vaccines actually help autism in a way. High fevers can cause brain damage so some vaccines could potentially prevent autism. Or am I completely wrong here?

noitall man
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a chart showing the rapid rise of anti-vax people next to a similar line showing the percentage of idiots per capita

Chips Raider
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody thought though that it may also be vaccines that changed since 1980' and also autism was less diagnosed just as other developmental disases. I am pro vaccines but it's weird that nobody questions quality of today's vaccines

movie maven
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ok so how does an anti-vaxer parent answer the question: So what would you do if you, your spouse & your autistic child inhaled anthrax? "Please Louis Pasteur i'll pay you anything for your vaccination to save us." Louis P quietly asks solemnly "have you taken my advise about pasteurization to heart?"

sh
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love how in this anti-vaxxer discussion, no one ever mentions the fact that the preservatives and chemicals in our "food" have also increased dramatically in this same time frame. No one ever stops to consider maybe we're doing these things to ourselves/our bodies/our babies in other willing ways.

Lola
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Try going after the giants of the food corporations who make those products. They will get a hit man and finish you off before you start.

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sakora
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Internet lacks elementary ability to respond with understanding. We live in a world where information is spreading at enormous speed. Untested information passed on by people who are mentally limited. The Internet will kill us. Although sometimes I have the impression that everything is so full of idiocy that we have already died a long time ago, but it did not reach us. And as to which these charts are addressed, they will not understand them anyway. Unfortunately.

diane a
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6 years ago

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If you hate Autistic children that much - who would you rather have as your child - Forrest Gump or nothing?

Ryo Bakura
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6 years ago

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Vaccinations do not cause autism. But syringes do cause junkies to keep doing stupid s**t.

Arleene Ewing
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6 years ago

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It is sad that people mock those who suffer for an answer... good stats stick , but mocking is just mean. Support those who want the best for their child.

Colin Bayler
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6 years ago

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There is not a " lack of substantial research proving that vaccines are harmful"; it's just being suppressed by MSM. http://healthimpactnews.com/2018/fraud-uncovered-in-u-s-governments-claim-that-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism-will-congress-and-doj-act/

Joe Clark
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6 years ago

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It is true that corrolation does not prove causation. However, it is also true that lack of verified proof does not disprove causation.

Lynn Noyes
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But there is verified proof that vaccines work, so why wouldn't you vaccinate children?

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diane a
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6 years ago

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You only have to see John Mills in Ryan's Daughter to know how under-reported Autism was

Viviane Katz
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fiction can be inspiring, but it is not a good source of research. I recommend reading NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman.

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Melissa N Nyegard
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Its really easy to say there's no correlation until you see your child change drastically literally overnight after getting vaccinated. I do not blame vaccines however I do believe poor gut health makes some children more likely to be injured from vaccines. I dont care what studies do or do not show. I see the proof daily with every struggle my once healthy son now deals with for life.

Random Panda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Autism is genetic. Nothing causes it, it just happens. I've seen parents blame all kinds of medical procedures for turning their children autistic. I'm guessing such hings might be more traumatic for an autistic child and that's why parents first notice something is different about their kid after they get it vaccinated or they had a procedure done.

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Aunt Messy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another lie. How thick are you? There's only one (and it's tenuous and needs research) potential cause of autism and it has to do with older FATHERS. Men over the age of 45 have what seems to be a higher risk of having children with autism.

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Lazy Panda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: even if vaccines did cause autism it takes a special kind of evil to hate autistic children so much that you’d prefer to have a dead or suffering child

diane a
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

it is just utter common sense to vaccinate. Herd immunity only works so long as the entire herd are immune. The huge increase in contagious childhood diseases(that once were eradicated) over the last few years is entirely down to antivaxers thinking they are special

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Chris Jones
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here we go again! Anti-vaxxers are utter morons and there is no valid argument. Lies, damned lies and statistics - you can make them show anything as the responses prove. Autism not caused by vaccines. End of.

diane a
Community Member
6 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the anti vaxxers even make an issue of it - Declaring on social media that they refuse to have their little darling immune to killer contagious childhood diseases - and the parents themselves would have been immunised as children

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Magdalina777
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Haha, nice graphs. I remember when I was studying probability theory/statistics at uni our teacher told us a fun story - at one point the scientists in one of the European countries decided to do certain research(can't remember the details unfortunately). And...they found that apparently the number of babies being born correlates pretty closely with the number of storks in the area. So...babies are brought by storks after all?! But after more research they found out it's in fact the other way round - the country had recently passed a law that made it easier for newly wed couples to get their own houses(lots of new houses built just for that too). So all of a sudden a whole lot of young couples were getting their own places - and, as a consequence, a lot of them also felt comfortable getting babies=>more babies. But at the same time all of those nice new houses in the country were super convenient for stork nests=>more storks ;) Gotta be careful with your statistics.

Wil Vanderheijden
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's just one way to stop this Anti-vax movement and that's legislation. There could be laws that prohibit day care centers to take in children that aren't vaccinated, laws to force parents to have their children vaccinated. If the Child protection services are so swift on interfering when a "free range kid" is reported, why can't they take children away from parents who refuse to have them vaccinated?

veryvenasaur
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just to play devils advocate what about people who can't safely be vaccinated I have a friend who's sister received a vaccine and ended up hospitalized from a rare reaction so the parents decided not to try to continue vaccinating the child since the reaction is often fatal. Obviously this is very rare and I've only ever met one person who even knows someone who that's happened to but would those people be allowed to not be vaccinated or would they be forced to repetitively risk their lives.

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Leo Domitrix
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Other possible correlative if not causative factors: Age of people when they have kids (aging parents are being studied as a factor, btw, for real, no joke); cumulative effect of environmental toxins on parental DNA (e.g., exposure to lead/lead gas exhaust, pesticides, etc., causing glitches in transcription); and this can go on for-freaking-ever. But it's not vaccines, or what is in vaccines. THOSE SAVE LIVES. People in other countries find anti-vaxxing inhumane and child endangerment. I agree.

Carol Emory
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My criminology professor pointed out that anything can be correlated if the numbers are right. As in, ice cream consumption increases during summer months....so does burglaries. So therefore, ice cream must cause people to want to commit burglaries. Actual..the factor in play is warm weather. People eat more ice cream during hot summer months and burglars are more likely to break into homes during the summer months when people are on vacation and when it's not so freezing cold outside.

Aunt Messy
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My criminology professor used this example: 99% of spouses who are beaten, therefore 99% of men beat their wives. ...///... Yes. That is as stupid as it sounds.

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Amina Hays
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have autism and anti-vaxxers are not only incorrect, they're upsetting. They're essentially saying they'd prefer their child to die of a completely avoidable disease than have autism. I know what my mum prefers and it isn't having a dead kid.

Alex Bailey
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anti-vaxxers seriously don't really think their child runs the risk of becoming sick or dead if they don't vaccinate, they think it's a tiny, almost impossible risk. People are good at convincing themselves of what they want to believe. People are scared of autism, not because they hate autistic children, but because they are scared that they won't be able to cope with a disabled child. It's fear about their own abilities. At the heart of it they fear they won't be any good at parenting a child they think might be different. It is all about them, not their children.

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Cat Kittey
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM!!! Vaccines are good things! They help your body build antibodies to fight off the actual virus when you become exposed to it. Without vaccines, your body is defenseless against these horrific diseases and you could die from them. Get vaccinated! The binding agents, however, could be to blame. Many binding agents include various forms of mercury. Many people are VERY hypersensitive to mercury. I know from personal experience. I almost went blind from the mercury that was used in contact solutions many years ago. Oh, No!!! What should I do? Pharmaceutical companies do make vaccines without mercury compounds. Ask your doctor for vaccines that do not contain mercury compounds.

Craig Silberman
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Autism rates have NOT been rising. What has been rising is diagnoses of autism, which correlate inversely to the decline in diagnoses of other mental handicaps. People who would have been called "r******d" thirty or forty years ago are being diagnosed as autistic today. And the rate of the two is level, not rising.

Pancho Zapata
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

allow the herd mentality to test the vaccines and it would be wise to accept them only after being proven successful. one should know that all vaccines applied in the 50,s and sixties have been improved or banned since.

Lola
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have no problem with people who refuse to vaccinate their children as long as they go live on Mars. One thing always bothered me though, how come no one mentions that the drug use has increased by a lot for the past few years. How come no one talks about the correlation between a drug abuser mom and having a child with autism afterward? Also, from experience, 8 out of the 10 times I meet a parent of a child with autism, the parents have serious mental issues. Don’t get me wrong, it does not happen with everybody, but it is definitely genetic as well.

Kimberly Kasper
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Clearly you need to get out more! I know many parents of autistic children who are mentally stable. It’s quite ignorant to say drug abusers and the mentally ill have autistic children. Your 8 out of 10 is quite high. It’s much more likely you don’t know many people with autism.

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Stannous Flouride
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is similar to the 'average life span' in history. It's usually given as in the 30s or 40s but that number is an average and greatly influenced by the high infant mortality of the times. If you made it to 18 you (and didn't work in an insanely dangerous job) you had a very good chance of living past 60. The vaccines kept many children from dying so they lived long enough to be seen as autistic.

John Ashley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True... but that line of "reasoning" (which I've heard many times) is flawed as it ignores a corollary. It wasn't just high infant mortality in generations past that accounted for the lower average life span. Fewer people lived longer. Because, in those times, increasing years produced declining health. Which is true today also... but as medical advances decreased infant mortality, it also decreased old age mortality. People are also living longer in general, not just on average.

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diane a
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

you cant diagnose autism until well after the age a child is vaccinated - I hope every autistic child has been vaccinated for their own safety. I feel for the unvaccinated autistic children - who do the parent blame?

Anggi Pangastuti
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a mom whose son is within the spectrum and as a witness on how vaccine is actually helping people, these anti vaxxers are annoying. Be it anti vaxxers due to their religious belief or autism. Once you don't vaccinate your child, you put your child and other people in risk. I guess it's human's nature to think that they are right and others are wrong unless they experience bad things themselves...

Abby Rexroth
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think it's vaccines, I think it's the packaging and the preservatives in foods that are dinking with our DNA and thus the men and women that ate a lot of processed foods as children are having children and more and more of them are being born with issues, developing cancer, autism, et. al. I'm not a doctor or geneticist but it would be interesting if they did a study on the increased consumption of packaged/preserved foods of children in the 70s and 80s who's children are being diagnosed with these conditions and others. My argument is that my mother's generation, 1930s, didn't consume many or any products that were packaged in anything other than glass, paper or fabric. My generation (the 1960s and 70s) are the generation of the colorful cereals and pop tarts etc. very few of my generation has autism but our children do. We ate the c**p we saw on TV our parents ate home cooked meals seems like a justified research project.

Michelle Dodson
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6 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My Grandmother had polio when she was a kid. We're pretty sure she was born in 1914, but we do know she was never vaccinated. Polio doesn't only affect your limbs (including limb deformity. Her left ankle was always swollen and she always kinda dragged that leg) it can also affect your respiratory system. But by all means - let's listen to a former Playboy model and a nationally known tattoo artist who sleeps with married men for our information on medical issues. Because THAT'S where I want to get MY information.

Michelle Dodson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've never seen any documentation/study/research that quantitatively proves a correlation between vaccines & Austism. It didn't get any attention until Jenny McCarthy started shooting off her mouth about her son, Ethan. I understand as a Mom, you want someone to blame, that's pretty normal - but guess what? Sometimes there just ISN'T. Medical conditions occur. S**t just happens. It sucks, but it's the truth. Now we've got a generation of anti-vaxxers whose role models are Jenny McCarthy and Kat Von Dee. And I thought having Trump as a president f*****g sucked.

somnomania
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen similar increases in people who have or know about the condition I have, Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. That doesn't mean something's suddenly causing it, since it's a genetic condition; it just means awareness is spreading and doctors know more about what to look for. It's the same with the autism spectrum.

Pungent Sauce
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We’re still trying to “prove anti-vaccers wrong”? Louis Pasteur is rolling in his Petri dish.

ADHORTATOR
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

...and the number of Pirates has an impact on climate change...

diane a
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my nephew has mild Aspbergers Syndrome - the most intelligent child i have ever met in my life

Freya the Wanderer
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As Disraeli said, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. It isn't that difficult to massage numbers in order to prove a point. I could "prove" that women who drive gray cars are more likely to suffer miscarriages than women who drive blue ones, or a whole lot of other silly things.

HorrorEyeArcade
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

bro if vaccines cause autism i say give your child autism, it ain't a bad thing and certainly doesn't threaten your childs life like not getting vaccinated does

Frozengeckolover
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My brother was born in 1977. He did poorly in school, so my parents home schooled us. I was five years younger than him and I finally got him reading at an appropriate level when he was 15. The poor kid hated reading because it was so hard for him. I came across a book about learning disabilities in the library and showed my parents. He was finally diagnosed with Asperger's and dyslexia in 1998. He was 21. We were both vaccinated, but he's autistic and I'm not. P.s. He loves reading now. I'm so happy for him. Books are great!

cwa92464
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Friggin hilarious...Penn & Teller still best video on why they are Bullsh*t

Kim Lorton
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think, anti vaccers, need to live somewhere that they can all infect each other, and then when their kids get measles and die, they don’t give it to someone else, and only have themselves to blame. And because no one is vaccinated, the colony wouldn’t last long.

Hamlets twin
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if vaccines actually help autism in a way. High fevers can cause brain damage so some vaccines could potentially prevent autism. Or am I completely wrong here?

noitall man
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a chart showing the rapid rise of anti-vax people next to a similar line showing the percentage of idiots per capita

Chips Raider
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody thought though that it may also be vaccines that changed since 1980' and also autism was less diagnosed just as other developmental disases. I am pro vaccines but it's weird that nobody questions quality of today's vaccines

movie maven
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ok so how does an anti-vaxer parent answer the question: So what would you do if you, your spouse & your autistic child inhaled anthrax? "Please Louis Pasteur i'll pay you anything for your vaccination to save us." Louis P quietly asks solemnly "have you taken my advise about pasteurization to heart?"

sh
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love how in this anti-vaxxer discussion, no one ever mentions the fact that the preservatives and chemicals in our "food" have also increased dramatically in this same time frame. No one ever stops to consider maybe we're doing these things to ourselves/our bodies/our babies in other willing ways.

Lola
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Try going after the giants of the food corporations who make those products. They will get a hit man and finish you off before you start.

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sakora
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Internet lacks elementary ability to respond with understanding. We live in a world where information is spreading at enormous speed. Untested information passed on by people who are mentally limited. The Internet will kill us. Although sometimes I have the impression that everything is so full of idiocy that we have already died a long time ago, but it did not reach us. And as to which these charts are addressed, they will not understand them anyway. Unfortunately.

diane a
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6 years ago

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If you hate Autistic children that much - who would you rather have as your child - Forrest Gump or nothing?

Ryo Bakura
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6 years ago

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Vaccinations do not cause autism. But syringes do cause junkies to keep doing stupid s**t.

Arleene Ewing
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6 years ago

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It is sad that people mock those who suffer for an answer... good stats stick , but mocking is just mean. Support those who want the best for their child.

Colin Bayler
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6 years ago

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There is not a " lack of substantial research proving that vaccines are harmful"; it's just being suppressed by MSM. http://healthimpactnews.com/2018/fraud-uncovered-in-u-s-governments-claim-that-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism-will-congress-and-doj-act/

Joe Clark
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6 years ago

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It is true that corrolation does not prove causation. However, it is also true that lack of verified proof does not disprove causation.

Lynn Noyes
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But there is verified proof that vaccines work, so why wouldn't you vaccinate children?

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diane a
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6 years ago

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You only have to see John Mills in Ryan's Daughter to know how under-reported Autism was

Viviane Katz
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fiction can be inspiring, but it is not a good source of research. I recommend reading NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman.

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Melissa N Nyegard
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6 years ago

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Its really easy to say there's no correlation until you see your child change drastically literally overnight after getting vaccinated. I do not blame vaccines however I do believe poor gut health makes some children more likely to be injured from vaccines. I dont care what studies do or do not show. I see the proof daily with every struggle my once healthy son now deals with for life.

Random Panda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Autism is genetic. Nothing causes it, it just happens. I've seen parents blame all kinds of medical procedures for turning their children autistic. I'm guessing such hings might be more traumatic for an autistic child and that's why parents first notice something is different about their kid after they get it vaccinated or they had a procedure done.

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Aunt Messy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another lie. How thick are you? There's only one (and it's tenuous and needs research) potential cause of autism and it has to do with older FATHERS. Men over the age of 45 have what seems to be a higher risk of having children with autism.

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