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Hey Pandas, Am I Wrong For Wanting Financial Help From My Wealthy Best Friend?
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Hey Pandas, Am I Wrong For Wanting Financial Help From My Wealthy Best Friend?

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I’ve been disabled for over three years, spent all my savings on treatments, been denied disability benefits, and am utterly terrified of becoming homeless soon.

My best friend of 24 years has been amazing at holding my hand and listening. But even though she’s a multi-millionaire, she hasn’t helped me financially.

How do I ask her for financial help without coming across as entitled?

I (F56) have been best friends with “Ana” (F62) for 24 years. I’ve known her husband even longer, and he’s wonderful. She’s an amazing person, and I’ve always been proud that someone so awesome considers us BFFs (“Best Friends Forever”). But right now, our life situations couldn’t be more different.

I have bipolar disorder (diagnosed early in our friendship—she’s always known)

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Three years ago, my antidepressants stopped working. This sometimes happens as the body becomes accustomed to them. And here we are, three years later, and I still haven’t found a new treatment that works. I’ve tried every antidepressant you can think of. I tried TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation) and ketamine infusions. I even tried ECT (Electroconvulsive Therapy, or “electroshock”). I’ve been hospitalized twice and still think about suicide every day because I’m drowning in depression and anxiety.

On top of that, I used my savings to cover living expenses and to pay for the TMS and ketamine treatments out of pocket. I applied for Social Security Disability and was denied, so I filed an appeal. When I told Ana I’d figured out how to manage my living expenses during the appeal, she seemed relieved. She then shared that she and her husband had discussed offering me a loan but didn’t want to encourage an “unhealthy dependence.” I understood their perspective and accepted it.

Well, that was a year and a half ago, and I’m still waiting for a decision on my disability appeal. First appeals are denied 90% of the time, so I’ll probably have to file a second appeal, which will take at least another year.

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I have enough money left to cover my rent for three more months

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(I’m currently trying to get a loan from a different friend—not Ana—because I’ve been respecting her “unhealthy dependence” boundary.) But I’m haunted by overwhelming anxiety that I’ll end up homeless. Even though I clearly meet the government’s definition of “disabled,” they could still deny all my appeals. It happens to people. And even if I qualify, disability benefits in the U.S. are barely enough to cover rent. I’m meditating and trying to accept what’s beyond my control, but I’ll admit, I’m terrified. I think about homelessness, and I just feel desperate. I don’t think I could handle it, not when I’m already in so much pain.

As for Ana, her life is going great! But that’s not what upsets me. There have been times in our 24-year friendship when I was doing well, and she was struggling. Over the course of a long friendship, things change and fluctuate. We’ve always been a team, and I’m genuinely happy for her when she’s thriving. She recently retired and is embracing a life full of hobbies, socializing, travel, and quality time with her husband. A few years ago, Ana and her husband also inherited a significant sum, and they’re now millionaires several times over.

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Even with the huge differences in our lives, Ana and I still have brunch once a week

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Since I stopped working, she always treats, and I always express my gratitude (of course!). Sometimes, she takes me to a movie. Occasionally, she and her husband invite me to the theater. They’re lovely, generous people, and I feel valued, loved, and accepted by them. Ana and I text each other long, thoughtful messages throughout the day.

Here’s where I finally get to the point and risk sounding entitled: How do I ask them to help me financially? I don’t mean moving in with them or expecting them to pay my rent for life. I understand that people have different perspectives on money. Ana grew up with financial insecurity, and I think it’s a sensitive topic for her. No one helped her financially, and even though she’s wealthy now, she still worries about spending extra money. (It would be easy to blame her husband. He grew up wealthy and may have a different outlook, but he’s also very kind and generous. I’m not sure if the “unhealthy dependence” idea came from him.)

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In my family’s culture, we shared what we had. Part of the joy of having money was being able to help others. My parents were good, old-fashioned Christians—the kind who truly tried to live like Jesus and would have given the shirts off their backs. Those values stayed with me.

If the roles were reversed, I would be brainstorming ways to help Ana. Should I buy her a condo, RV, trailer, or mobile home? I’d be reassuring her that she would NEVER be homeless on my watch. And I would have done this two years ago! I would never let my best friend suffer this kind of anxiety if I had the power to help.

She knows how bad things are. We’re honest about what I’m going through

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She knows my financial situation, and she knows I’m specifically terrified of homelessness. That’s what I don’t understand: how can someone who loves you so much not offer help?

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Maybe I am being entitled. After writing all this out, I’m angry. She has the power to ease my suffering, to possibly save my life, and she’s had it all along. I initially wanted advice on how to ask for financial help, but now I feel like asking her, “How can you watch me suffer and not help me? What kind of love is that?”

I don’t want to hurt or lose Ana. But I don’t think I can keep pretending I’m not this angry. And if things keep going downhill, I’ll lose her anyway, right? I doubt she’ll be picking me up from a homeless shelter for brunch. So, I might as well speak my mind now.

Thanks for listening. Please respond kindly.

Expert’s Advice

It’s completely understandable to feel a mix of anger, sadness, and fear as you face such significant challenges alone, and it’s natural to wonder why someone close to you who could help hasn’t done so in the way you might if the situation were reversed. These feelings are valid, and it’s okay to acknowledge them.

Here are some things to consider as you navigate this situation:

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1. Examine Your Core Needs and Prioritize Self-Compassion
Your immediate needs—stability, security, and relief from the anxiety of potential homelessness—are very real. It’s crucial to address these needs in ways that protect your self-respect and emotional well-being, regardless of whether Ana is involved financially. Practicing self-compassion here means acknowledging the incredible efforts you’ve already put forth, giving yourself credit for the resilience you’ve shown, and understanding that asking for help is both a vulnerable and courageous step.

2. Define the Help You Need (and What Feels Right to Ask)
Get specific with yourself about what kind of help would make a real difference without jeopardizing your friendship or your values. For instance, instead of a long-term financial commitment, would it feel more comfortable to ask Ana for a one-time gift or loan to cover living expenses temporarily? Having a clear, well-defined ask that feels respectful of both your needs and her boundaries might help you approach this more comfortably.

3. Reflect on the Meaning and Boundaries of Your Friendship
Friendships can be deeply supportive, yet people vary in their comfort with providing financial assistance—even if they can afford it. Ana may feel that financial support could create an imbalance in your relationship that worries her, even if you see things differently. Understanding her past with money might provide context, but it doesn’t necessarily make the situation easier to accept. However, remember that relationships can stay strong even when financial support isn’t part of the dynamic.

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4. Frame the Conversation with Vulnerability and Clarity
If you choose to speak with Ana, consider expressing your feelings honestly yet gently, emphasizing your gratitude for her emotional support and recognizing that her situation doesn’t obligate her to help. You might say something like, “I value our friendship so much and deeply appreciate all the ways you’ve supported me emotionally. I’m in a situation where I am afraid of what’s to come, and I feel vulnerable admitting that I’m struggling. I’d like to ask if there’s a way you feel comfortable supporting me financially, but I understand if that’s not possible.”

This allows her the chance to process her own thoughts and boundaries without feeling pressured, while also helping you feel heard.

5. Consider Alternative Avenues for Support
Financial support often feels most meaningful when it comes from people closest to us, but in the face of Ana’s hesitation, expanding your network for support could relieve some pressure on this single relationship. Are there other friends, community resources, or local assistance programs that might help bridge the gap? Many people in situations like yours find some relief through local mental health organizations, nonprofits, or social services that offer assistance to those in transition.

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6. Navigate Your Feelings of Anger Constructively
It’s natural to feel hurt and angry, particularly when you’re facing such uncertainty alone. These feelings may, however, obscure the gratitude you feel for the ways she has been there for you. Processing these emotions in a safe space, whether with a therapist, a support group, or in journaling, can help you work through the frustration constructively so it doesn’t unintentionally damage the relationship with Ana.

7. Empower Yourself by Building Resilience
You’ve faced immense challenges already and shown incredible strength. Continue focusing on self-care practices and coping skills that reduce anxiety and help you focus on what is within your control. By doing so, you’ll not only help alleviate the intense anxiety you’re feeling now, but you’ll also empower yourself to handle the uncertainty of the disability appeal process.

Remember: There’s No “Entitlement” in Seeking Help
Needing help doesn’t make you entitled; it makes you human. You’re not selfish for feeling hurt, nor are you asking too much by seeking assistance during a tough time. Recognizing the value of your friendship with Ana, along with finding other sources of support, might allow you to move forward in a way that respects both your needs and the boundaries of your friendship.

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The_Nicest_Misanthrope
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a woman who also suffers with Bipolar, I'm sorry to say you're the AH. Ana has absolutely no obligation to help you financially, and tbh, it sounds like she's already doing a lot. I'm sorry you're in such a s**t situation, but resenting your friend for her success won't change anything besides destroying what already sounds like a great, supportive friendship.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your friend doesn't owe you anything, no matter how rich she is. You're ANGRY that she knows you're struggling but hasn't offered money? Wow. I could understand being sad, frustrated, unhappy, etc. but ANGRY? That instantly makes you an a-hole. Parse it: you're pissed off that your rich friend isn't giving you a handout. She doesn't OWE you a handout, no matter whether or not you're "BFFs". I've got medical and financial issues, in addition to mental health issues (I've attempted suicide multiple times) and I've struggled with addiction, but I would die of shame before I GOT ANGRY at a FRIEND for not giving me money. You ARE entitled. A lot of people are struggling just as bad as you, if not worse, and they don't get ANGRY at a good friend for not giving them a handout. "How can someone who loves you so much not offer help?" She loves you and that's why she ISN'T just handing you money. She knows it won't end - you're not going to be able to get a job with your health issues.

Pumpkinmom
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Easy. You reach out to her and ask for her help finding a job you can do within your limitations. Remotely or flex-time etc. Ask her to help you help yourself. Then, if she sees the situation in all it's details and wants to offer money to help you temporarily then that's her comfort level. If not, then you at least have someone on your team helping you find solutions/resources in the meantime.

Libstak
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You cant. There is no way for you to do this without sounding entitled, because you are asking about what language will best manipulate your friend. If you have enough to cover 3 months, then technically you have enough for 5 months. It will take a missed payment and then a court order of eviction before you are removed from your tenancy. A minimum of 60 days, likely closer to 90 before eviction. You have all that time to get your s**t in,order and make a plan. 5 to 6 months to get employed or get assistance through government and charity groups etc is more than most could hope for.

Susie Main
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so sorry for all the hurt, depression, fear - the whole maelstrom of emotions that you're having to battle at the moment. I'm in Scotland, not the USA so I can offer zero advice on where to reach out to; over here because my own house was quite literally falling down around me, I got a rented house from the local Council but I don't know if you have social housing? The one thing I would advise you strongly NOT to do is to ask Ana for a loan or a gift. After my husband died of Covid I was in a bad financial place as well as being suicidal over not having him here to cuddle and laugh with. I asked, and received a large loan from a very kind friend, but it was a couple of years before I cou;d repay it. My friend always said not to worry about it, but honestly it's not possible not to. Also, it shifts the balance in the relationship despite neither of you wanting it to do so.

Papa
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry for what you went through. I have a cousin, who's more like a brother to me, who lost his wife during covid also. He had a tough time, but he bounced back, and even re-married last month. Anyway, I also wanted to say that your last sentence is important. Loaning money changes the dynamic in ways that neither side is going to be comfortable with.

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Captain Grump
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP's friend might not want to change the dynamic of the friendship. I'm no millionaire, but my wife and I do ok. I used to have a friend who was chronically poor, and would sometimes ask to borrow a few hundred dollars. It would then take him months to pay back when it was supposed to be a week or two. I could afford it, but I found myself resenting him if I saw he bought beer or spent money on anything beyond essentials while he still owed me. That's not a great recipe for a friendship.

Far_Rhubarb7177
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Something like this happened to me once as well. When I took a road trip with a friend, we agreed to split the expenses: Rental car, hotel, and restaurant costs. Since I had a credit card handy and she didn’t, I said that I would put everything on my card and she could pay me her share when the bill came due. Well…the bill came due…and she didn’t have the money to repay me. Same thing the next month. And the next month, etc. Meanwhile, she was going shopping and buying herself new clothes, presents for her family, etc. It really pissed me off! Ultimately, she paid me back—in stages, not all at once—but the whole thing definitely took a toll on our friendship.

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Fellfromthemoon
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are you also a Christian, as your parents were? Do you belong to any church? Usually, churches supposed to have resources for their members in need.

kath morgan
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who has been in a very similar position, I think Ana was very smart to draw that boundary up front. Also, making some assumptions about how much they can afford. If they are retired in the US, that money is their income and security plan for a future of uncertain length and difficulty. Not a pool that’s replenishing, it must be budgeted out. It might not actually be within their budget to give chunks of money away. And it would be a gift, because let’s be honest op has no means of repayment. Asking for a loan is dishonest.

kath morgan
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My advice is to A: seek help from official and charitable sources, as many as possible. They can only say no. B: ask friends (Ana, as well as others) for specific tangible helps like “ride to job interview”, “borrow printer for this disability application”, “load of laundry because my power is out”, rather than cash.

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XanthippeⓐWulf🇨🇦️️🇬🇧
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This one was difficult right up until the OP started talking about their "good old Christian" family. Get bent with that bs! If your family is soooooo freaking Christian, then where tf are they while you're nearly homeless? Why is it on Ana to help you financially? Listen, if this were one of my friends, they wouldn't even have to ask. Everything they ever needed on their path to recovery would be taken care of with no need whatsoever to return it, but the OP's nerve!😤 Perhaps if Ana has mentioned an "unhealthy dependence," maybe stop & take a second to really think about why. I've been in Ana's position before, and while I wouldn't think twice at helping a friend, it feels gross when people expect it.

Papa
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She specifically said "My parents WERE good old-fashioned Christians." That sounds a lot like they're dead. The fact that she's 56 years old also makes that likely, even if she hadn't said it like that. Is it possible that your anti-Christian bias is leading you to jump to conclusions?

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FluffyDreg
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know I helped a friend who needed financial aid in the past. I was always open that I was willing to help however. I dont think asking fir financial aif is going to go over well. But perhaps you can ask for other help? If they have a car you could see if she's availible to take you to a food bank sometimes? Ask if she knows any programs or resources you could utilize that you may have looked over.

Jen D.
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's made her feelings clear about providing you with monetary support and based on your own words, has been supporting you in other ways. If you do get money from her, what then? What happens with THAT money runs out? She's right, you're becoming dependent on her. And now, all you see her for is the money really. Mad she has some and you don't. Mad she won't share it. You WANT to use her and you're mad she won't let you. Don't ask. You know her feelings.

TribbleThinking
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've had depression, physical disability and faced homelessness. Have you considered what you can offer Ana? Can you walk her dogs, organise her pantry, handle her correspondence, weed her garden? Show willing, in the same way that during your road to recovery, you will do everything you can to repay any loan or kindness. Can you ask if she would consider giving you things that she would otherwise give to Goodwill so that you can raise funds? Do whatever little you can and it will get you a small amount of money and make people more confident that you're not trying to mooch of them.

Apatheist Account2
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The best you could hope for is to tell her your situation, and hope that she offers. If she doesn't, then you can't ask. If she does offer, it would have to be a gift - asking for it to be repaid is likely to end the friendship.

Rob D
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Knowing countless cases like this, the situation has been shared ad naseum. Like, every opportunity.

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Darthest Starfish
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good gracious. Gracious you are not my Panda. You need to realize that she has set very clear and reasonable boundaries with you, push past them and she is likely to cut you off and out completely to avoid the drama you seem intent on creating.

Gwyn
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her loaning you money (really, gifting it, because how would you pay it back?) would likely destroy your relationship and she knows it. She's already helping you by buying you occasional dinners, etc If you can't accept that she values you and your going to be angry at her then your the one causing the loss of the friendship. If you want to be angry at anyone, it should be at 1) the politicians who refuse to fund government benefits and who allow the ultra rich to go without paying their fair share and 2) the few oligarchs who make more than the bottom entire 50% of the US combined and contribute nothing to society.

Roberta Surprenant
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She has no obligation to help you, if anything it would be enabling you I think.

Captain Grump
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone else find it odd that OP is familiar enough with a friend's finances to know she's a "millionaire several times over"? Peers who we THINK are super rich are often less so than we imagine, might have debts we don't know about, or are simply planning for long term use of their wealth.

person (i think)
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ana is not obligated to help you financially. Giving you the amount of money you would need would alter the friendship and might event kill it, at least on he end. Ana knows this and doesn’t want that. (That would happen to me). Please try to get over your resentment as it will only harm you both. I am sorry you are going through this. Unfortunately, a lot of people still think depression is just ‘In your head’ and don’t realize how debilitating it is. Since you two are so close, maybe have another serious talk with Ana and be honest about how scared you are. Be venerable. Ask her for help figuring out ways to avoid becoming homeless. Ask for help with ideas _and_ at least starting their execution.

Dog Mom to Zoe
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because someone is financially better off doesn't mean you get to ride that train.

moggie63
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you have 3 months rent available then, compared to me, you're rich.

AisForRebel
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would say you need to figure your stuff out, not mooch off of your friend. If you decide to then what kind of friend are you.

Je souhaite
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like all she does is make any excuse not to work, entitled and lazy

besterdaleen
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone with BPD, I am "lucky" enough to live in South Africa where it's not considered a disability. That said, PLUS when my meds need to be adjusted, I have to push through with a single income household with a spouse who IS actually disabled and our disability grants are a joke. I really don't care how long or strong your BFF relationship is, or how they came around their financial comfort They are NOT your family and owe you ZERO financial support. You saying that you became so angry after writing it all out made me laugh out loud so hard, my better half wanted to hear the story Honey, I have a sis in another country and we never discuss finances or struggles. If she provides support, it happened 3 times in 20 years and we are ever so grateful for it, but even being my sister, she has her own life and owes me jack squat You are such a massive AH, it's beyond belief. Your AH entitlement is why people don't take others with BPD serious.

Poppy
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've been on the verge of homelessness thanks to ill health before. Whilst I accepted help when it was offered, I was never angry at anyone for not offering to help. You don't know the whole of their situation. Things may be very different to what they appear to be and introducing asking for money from a friend may fundamentally alter their friendship and not in a good way. She could ask her friend to help her find solutions to her issues but asking for money is never a good look in a friendship.

Phobrek
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NAH but I would seek other sources of help. Also, in case you've not yet tried it, I was not helped by SSRIs and MAOIs, but Mirtazapine - which is neither - has been helpful.

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Rob D
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone is being tactful and sensitive, so I'll dispense with the "sorry..." preamble. Sooooo, You are horribly entitled; let's be honest, you have no intention or means of paying back any "loan" either. You know it'll be a loan in name only. The rich friend knows this. Hopefully the other does too. You have 3+ months to prepare. I'm betting they're already prespent, in bed, wallowing. This will go over poorly, but here's what I don't get about disability level depression...if you're gonna be depressed, why can't you be depressed at a job? Sorry, as someone whose tax bill almost turns them republican every year, disability dollars should be for truly unemployable conditions and much more generous. I resent conservatives for constantly and meanspiritedly trying to shred safety nets. But the depressed into not working crowd is one I can't wrap my head around when dollar for dollar it could go to the mentally disabled, disabled vets, hell, expand benefits for impoverished children, but my Mom surrounded herself with 100% able-bodied, unemployed church women with nothing but sob stories when i was growing up and Im tired of them. My dad went every day to work miserable, but such is life. He didnt want his family homeless more than he wanted to stay in bed and not work. Simple.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rob, clinical depression IS a mental disability if it's severe enough. It's possible to be so severely clinically depressed (which is a brain chemistry/brain chemicals issue, not just "woe is me I am sad and don't want to fold my laundry") that one cannot function. It is possible to be so severely clinically depressed that one neglects their hygiene, their health (which can include not eating/drinking unto the point of starvation/dehydration), and their responsibilities. Not everyone can just snap out of it or "be depressed at a job". It's nice that your dad was able to "go to work miserable every day" (do you hear how awful that concept is?) but your father was not clinically depressed, or else he would not have been able to rouse himself out of bed no matter his responsibilities to your family. As an aside, many disabled vets are clinically depressed. How does that fit into your worldview? Do they not "deserve" any disability money because they're depressed?

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Agat
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You just don't ask her. She's aware that she has the means, she simply doesn't want to finance your life. She told you this. I don't even think it's weird. I also don't understand how someone can be disabled because of depression. Shouldn't you go to a closed facility then? You know, for on-site treatment lasting months, where they would establish a treatment plan etc.? If it's this bad that you're not able to function then I think this would be a better solution than depending on people that have no obligation to fund your life. I know it sucks but that's life, unfortunately.

Sherman
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unfortunately if OP is in the US that type of treatment will cost more than a down payment on a condo or even a house. When I was addicted to opiates it took me 11 months to get accepted into a program n that’s only bc it was court ordered n it cost me $75,000 that I couldn’t pay for. My insurance refused to cover it. I had great insurance too. I just didn’t pay it n waited for it to get removed from my credit. destroyed my credit for 8 years n if it wasn’t for my partner I’d have had no way to find a place to live. Being disabled bc of mental health issues is unfortunately becoming more n more common. I don’t agree w/ OP thinking her friend should pay for everything for her. But also, I think it’s wrong to be insensitive towards someone battling mental health issues. Been there. Don’t that. It’s not easy. I’d say harder than most physical disabilities. But yeah, getting mental help is very difficult in the states. It’s pretty messed up. That’s the root of a lot of our issues in the US

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The_Nicest_Misanthrope
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a woman who also suffers with Bipolar, I'm sorry to say you're the AH. Ana has absolutely no obligation to help you financially, and tbh, it sounds like she's already doing a lot. I'm sorry you're in such a s**t situation, but resenting your friend for her success won't change anything besides destroying what already sounds like a great, supportive friendship.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your friend doesn't owe you anything, no matter how rich she is. You're ANGRY that she knows you're struggling but hasn't offered money? Wow. I could understand being sad, frustrated, unhappy, etc. but ANGRY? That instantly makes you an a-hole. Parse it: you're pissed off that your rich friend isn't giving you a handout. She doesn't OWE you a handout, no matter whether or not you're "BFFs". I've got medical and financial issues, in addition to mental health issues (I've attempted suicide multiple times) and I've struggled with addiction, but I would die of shame before I GOT ANGRY at a FRIEND for not giving me money. You ARE entitled. A lot of people are struggling just as bad as you, if not worse, and they don't get ANGRY at a good friend for not giving them a handout. "How can someone who loves you so much not offer help?" She loves you and that's why she ISN'T just handing you money. She knows it won't end - you're not going to be able to get a job with your health issues.

Pumpkinmom
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Easy. You reach out to her and ask for her help finding a job you can do within your limitations. Remotely or flex-time etc. Ask her to help you help yourself. Then, if she sees the situation in all it's details and wants to offer money to help you temporarily then that's her comfort level. If not, then you at least have someone on your team helping you find solutions/resources in the meantime.

Libstak
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You cant. There is no way for you to do this without sounding entitled, because you are asking about what language will best manipulate your friend. If you have enough to cover 3 months, then technically you have enough for 5 months. It will take a missed payment and then a court order of eviction before you are removed from your tenancy. A minimum of 60 days, likely closer to 90 before eviction. You have all that time to get your s**t in,order and make a plan. 5 to 6 months to get employed or get assistance through government and charity groups etc is more than most could hope for.

Susie Main
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so sorry for all the hurt, depression, fear - the whole maelstrom of emotions that you're having to battle at the moment. I'm in Scotland, not the USA so I can offer zero advice on where to reach out to; over here because my own house was quite literally falling down around me, I got a rented house from the local Council but I don't know if you have social housing? The one thing I would advise you strongly NOT to do is to ask Ana for a loan or a gift. After my husband died of Covid I was in a bad financial place as well as being suicidal over not having him here to cuddle and laugh with. I asked, and received a large loan from a very kind friend, but it was a couple of years before I cou;d repay it. My friend always said not to worry about it, but honestly it's not possible not to. Also, it shifts the balance in the relationship despite neither of you wanting it to do so.

Papa
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry for what you went through. I have a cousin, who's more like a brother to me, who lost his wife during covid also. He had a tough time, but he bounced back, and even re-married last month. Anyway, I also wanted to say that your last sentence is important. Loaning money changes the dynamic in ways that neither side is going to be comfortable with.

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Captain Grump
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP's friend might not want to change the dynamic of the friendship. I'm no millionaire, but my wife and I do ok. I used to have a friend who was chronically poor, and would sometimes ask to borrow a few hundred dollars. It would then take him months to pay back when it was supposed to be a week or two. I could afford it, but I found myself resenting him if I saw he bought beer or spent money on anything beyond essentials while he still owed me. That's not a great recipe for a friendship.

Far_Rhubarb7177
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Something like this happened to me once as well. When I took a road trip with a friend, we agreed to split the expenses: Rental car, hotel, and restaurant costs. Since I had a credit card handy and she didn’t, I said that I would put everything on my card and she could pay me her share when the bill came due. Well…the bill came due…and she didn’t have the money to repay me. Same thing the next month. And the next month, etc. Meanwhile, she was going shopping and buying herself new clothes, presents for her family, etc. It really pissed me off! Ultimately, she paid me back—in stages, not all at once—but the whole thing definitely took a toll on our friendship.

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Fellfromthemoon
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are you also a Christian, as your parents were? Do you belong to any church? Usually, churches supposed to have resources for their members in need.

kath morgan
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who has been in a very similar position, I think Ana was very smart to draw that boundary up front. Also, making some assumptions about how much they can afford. If they are retired in the US, that money is their income and security plan for a future of uncertain length and difficulty. Not a pool that’s replenishing, it must be budgeted out. It might not actually be within their budget to give chunks of money away. And it would be a gift, because let’s be honest op has no means of repayment. Asking for a loan is dishonest.

kath morgan
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My advice is to A: seek help from official and charitable sources, as many as possible. They can only say no. B: ask friends (Ana, as well as others) for specific tangible helps like “ride to job interview”, “borrow printer for this disability application”, “load of laundry because my power is out”, rather than cash.

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XanthippeⓐWulf🇨🇦️️🇬🇧
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This one was difficult right up until the OP started talking about their "good old Christian" family. Get bent with that bs! If your family is soooooo freaking Christian, then where tf are they while you're nearly homeless? Why is it on Ana to help you financially? Listen, if this were one of my friends, they wouldn't even have to ask. Everything they ever needed on their path to recovery would be taken care of with no need whatsoever to return it, but the OP's nerve!😤 Perhaps if Ana has mentioned an "unhealthy dependence," maybe stop & take a second to really think about why. I've been in Ana's position before, and while I wouldn't think twice at helping a friend, it feels gross when people expect it.

Papa
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She specifically said "My parents WERE good old-fashioned Christians." That sounds a lot like they're dead. The fact that she's 56 years old also makes that likely, even if she hadn't said it like that. Is it possible that your anti-Christian bias is leading you to jump to conclusions?

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FluffyDreg
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know I helped a friend who needed financial aid in the past. I was always open that I was willing to help however. I dont think asking fir financial aif is going to go over well. But perhaps you can ask for other help? If they have a car you could see if she's availible to take you to a food bank sometimes? Ask if she knows any programs or resources you could utilize that you may have looked over.

Jen D.
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's made her feelings clear about providing you with monetary support and based on your own words, has been supporting you in other ways. If you do get money from her, what then? What happens with THAT money runs out? She's right, you're becoming dependent on her. And now, all you see her for is the money really. Mad she has some and you don't. Mad she won't share it. You WANT to use her and you're mad she won't let you. Don't ask. You know her feelings.

TribbleThinking
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've had depression, physical disability and faced homelessness. Have you considered what you can offer Ana? Can you walk her dogs, organise her pantry, handle her correspondence, weed her garden? Show willing, in the same way that during your road to recovery, you will do everything you can to repay any loan or kindness. Can you ask if she would consider giving you things that she would otherwise give to Goodwill so that you can raise funds? Do whatever little you can and it will get you a small amount of money and make people more confident that you're not trying to mooch of them.

Apatheist Account2
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The best you could hope for is to tell her your situation, and hope that she offers. If she doesn't, then you can't ask. If she does offer, it would have to be a gift - asking for it to be repaid is likely to end the friendship.

Rob D
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Knowing countless cases like this, the situation has been shared ad naseum. Like, every opportunity.

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Darthest Starfish
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good gracious. Gracious you are not my Panda. You need to realize that she has set very clear and reasonable boundaries with you, push past them and she is likely to cut you off and out completely to avoid the drama you seem intent on creating.

Gwyn
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her loaning you money (really, gifting it, because how would you pay it back?) would likely destroy your relationship and she knows it. She's already helping you by buying you occasional dinners, etc If you can't accept that she values you and your going to be angry at her then your the one causing the loss of the friendship. If you want to be angry at anyone, it should be at 1) the politicians who refuse to fund government benefits and who allow the ultra rich to go without paying their fair share and 2) the few oligarchs who make more than the bottom entire 50% of the US combined and contribute nothing to society.

Roberta Surprenant
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She has no obligation to help you, if anything it would be enabling you I think.

Captain Grump
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone else find it odd that OP is familiar enough with a friend's finances to know she's a "millionaire several times over"? Peers who we THINK are super rich are often less so than we imagine, might have debts we don't know about, or are simply planning for long term use of their wealth.

person (i think)
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ana is not obligated to help you financially. Giving you the amount of money you would need would alter the friendship and might event kill it, at least on he end. Ana knows this and doesn’t want that. (That would happen to me). Please try to get over your resentment as it will only harm you both. I am sorry you are going through this. Unfortunately, a lot of people still think depression is just ‘In your head’ and don’t realize how debilitating it is. Since you two are so close, maybe have another serious talk with Ana and be honest about how scared you are. Be venerable. Ask her for help figuring out ways to avoid becoming homeless. Ask for help with ideas _and_ at least starting their execution.

Dog Mom to Zoe
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because someone is financially better off doesn't mean you get to ride that train.

moggie63
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you have 3 months rent available then, compared to me, you're rich.

AisForRebel
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would say you need to figure your stuff out, not mooch off of your friend. If you decide to then what kind of friend are you.

Je souhaite
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like all she does is make any excuse not to work, entitled and lazy

besterdaleen
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone with BPD, I am "lucky" enough to live in South Africa where it's not considered a disability. That said, PLUS when my meds need to be adjusted, I have to push through with a single income household with a spouse who IS actually disabled and our disability grants are a joke. I really don't care how long or strong your BFF relationship is, or how they came around their financial comfort They are NOT your family and owe you ZERO financial support. You saying that you became so angry after writing it all out made me laugh out loud so hard, my better half wanted to hear the story Honey, I have a sis in another country and we never discuss finances or struggles. If she provides support, it happened 3 times in 20 years and we are ever so grateful for it, but even being my sister, she has her own life and owes me jack squat You are such a massive AH, it's beyond belief. Your AH entitlement is why people don't take others with BPD serious.

Poppy
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've been on the verge of homelessness thanks to ill health before. Whilst I accepted help when it was offered, I was never angry at anyone for not offering to help. You don't know the whole of their situation. Things may be very different to what they appear to be and introducing asking for money from a friend may fundamentally alter their friendship and not in a good way. She could ask her friend to help her find solutions to her issues but asking for money is never a good look in a friendship.

Phobrek
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NAH but I would seek other sources of help. Also, in case you've not yet tried it, I was not helped by SSRIs and MAOIs, but Mirtazapine - which is neither - has been helpful.

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Rob D
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone is being tactful and sensitive, so I'll dispense with the "sorry..." preamble. Sooooo, You are horribly entitled; let's be honest, you have no intention or means of paying back any "loan" either. You know it'll be a loan in name only. The rich friend knows this. Hopefully the other does too. You have 3+ months to prepare. I'm betting they're already prespent, in bed, wallowing. This will go over poorly, but here's what I don't get about disability level depression...if you're gonna be depressed, why can't you be depressed at a job? Sorry, as someone whose tax bill almost turns them republican every year, disability dollars should be for truly unemployable conditions and much more generous. I resent conservatives for constantly and meanspiritedly trying to shred safety nets. But the depressed into not working crowd is one I can't wrap my head around when dollar for dollar it could go to the mentally disabled, disabled vets, hell, expand benefits for impoverished children, but my Mom surrounded herself with 100% able-bodied, unemployed church women with nothing but sob stories when i was growing up and Im tired of them. My dad went every day to work miserable, but such is life. He didnt want his family homeless more than he wanted to stay in bed and not work. Simple.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rob, clinical depression IS a mental disability if it's severe enough. It's possible to be so severely clinically depressed (which is a brain chemistry/brain chemicals issue, not just "woe is me I am sad and don't want to fold my laundry") that one cannot function. It is possible to be so severely clinically depressed that one neglects their hygiene, their health (which can include not eating/drinking unto the point of starvation/dehydration), and their responsibilities. Not everyone can just snap out of it or "be depressed at a job". It's nice that your dad was able to "go to work miserable every day" (do you hear how awful that concept is?) but your father was not clinically depressed, or else he would not have been able to rouse himself out of bed no matter his responsibilities to your family. As an aside, many disabled vets are clinically depressed. How does that fit into your worldview? Do they not "deserve" any disability money because they're depressed?

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Agat
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You just don't ask her. She's aware that she has the means, she simply doesn't want to finance your life. She told you this. I don't even think it's weird. I also don't understand how someone can be disabled because of depression. Shouldn't you go to a closed facility then? You know, for on-site treatment lasting months, where they would establish a treatment plan etc.? If it's this bad that you're not able to function then I think this would be a better solution than depending on people that have no obligation to fund your life. I know it sucks but that's life, unfortunately.

Sherman
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unfortunately if OP is in the US that type of treatment will cost more than a down payment on a condo or even a house. When I was addicted to opiates it took me 11 months to get accepted into a program n that’s only bc it was court ordered n it cost me $75,000 that I couldn’t pay for. My insurance refused to cover it. I had great insurance too. I just didn’t pay it n waited for it to get removed from my credit. destroyed my credit for 8 years n if it wasn’t for my partner I’d have had no way to find a place to live. Being disabled bc of mental health issues is unfortunately becoming more n more common. I don’t agree w/ OP thinking her friend should pay for everything for her. But also, I think it’s wrong to be insensitive towards someone battling mental health issues. Been there. Don’t that. It’s not easy. I’d say harder than most physical disabilities. But yeah, getting mental help is very difficult in the states. It’s pretty messed up. That’s the root of a lot of our issues in the US

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