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Mom Refuses To Accommodate Anti-Vax Sister’s Kids By Excluding Her Own “Sick” Son From Wedding
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Mom Refuses To Accommodate Anti-Vax Sister’s Kids By Excluding Her Own “Sick” Son From Wedding

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According to the World Health Organization (WHO), vaccines are one of the safest and most effective ways to protect against dangerous diseases, saving millions of lives each year.

But not everyone trusts them.

This was the case for one woman, who not only rejects vaccines but also believes her nephew’s allergies are contagious. Convinced they could harm her unvaccinated kids, she insisted he stay home during the upcoming family wedding.

However, the boy’s mom refused, and the situation spiraled into a heated drama. Read all about it below.

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The anti-vax woman demanded that her sister keep her ‘sick’ son away from her children

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Her sister, however, found the request absurd and refused, sparking some heated family drama

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Not vaccinating your children can have serious consequences

A survey from the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania revealed that the number of adults who don’t think vaccines are safe is on the rise. The OP’s sister is part of this growing group, and these increasing rates can lead to serious risks for everyone.

According to UNICEF, when children don’t get vaccinated on time, they face a higher chance of contracting diseases like hepatitis, tuberculosis, whooping cough, and diphtheria. Even illnesses like measles, which are preventable with vaccines, can cause dangerous complications.

Those who are unvaccinated are also more likely to make other, more vulnerable people sick. For instance, adults are often the ones who unknowingly spread whooping cough to infants—and for babies, it can be deadly. Pregnant women who contract rubella are at high risk of giving birth to children with congenital rubella syndrome (CRS), which can cause lifelong health issues. Similarly, pregnant women who catch measles face a higher chance of miscarriage.

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As a result of having fully vaccinated populations, fewer people get sick, which means more people can enjoy healthier, longer lives. Take West Papua as an example—between 2010 and 2017, life expectancy rose significantly, thanks in large part to more children receiving their vaccines on time. By staying informed about vaccinations, we can all contribute to a safer and healthier world.

For more details, visit the WHO website.

Commenters sided with the author, saying her anti-vax sister was being completely unreasonable

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Nimitz
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

F**k. That. B***h! I grew up having my medical needs ignored because of my evangelical mother. I've had major injuries, even life threatening ones utterly ignored in favor of prayer. Imagine being a 12 year old and almost bleeding out, with a beach towel soaked in blood and not getting help because your mom was "healing" you by speaking in tongues! I had fractures, torn muscles and damaged tendons ignored because I "just needed to pray on it". I've been suicidality depressed and told I just need more prayer. This woman is abusing her kids and should be forcibly sterilized before she can hurt more innocent children. Remove her from your life, because you will never, ever get through to her. Believe me, I speak from experience. Thank God (ironic) I never came out as a teenager, or I would be DEAD because of the hatemongering of evangelical Christians.

Beth Wheeler
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate that you or anybody else had to grow up with parents like that. I hope that all of your medical problems and injuries have been taken care of.

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Christopher Crockett
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have cut God's Atomic Jesus Freak B!tch out of my life long before she reached this point. Nine children isolated in the wilderness with compromised immune systems sounds like either the prequel to Deliverance or that X-Files episode called "Home".

Beth Wheeler
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh damn. God's Atomic Jesus Freak B***h is one I've never heard before... LOL She had some mental problems that they never knew about t ok go full till crazy Mama out in the middle of nowhere getting pregnant a few weeks after having a baby... Not healthy physically or mentally.

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Mari
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would say I am bringing my son with me. If her kids are becoming sick, that's Gods will and she has to accept that.

Libstak
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The commenter who noted that these types are so judgemental unless they need money is so accurate. My brother and SIL were evangelicals and she did her best to ignore us. He became very ill, mum and dad were constantly helping in one way or another to get them through, my sister and i too. She was constantly making a point of how "blessed by God" they were that they got all this help aka. It was not us, it was God. My brother died and my own parents, me and my sister were not welcome in the front row or the receiving line for condolences. All the congregation except 2 women ignored us at my own brothers funeral and she ensured we were not allowed to contribute to the headstone plaque which does not acknowledge him as a beloved son and brother. It still makes me want to scream 12 years later.

Lailu
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah, the good ol’ anti-vaxxers. I couldn’t give a flying fig about what happens to them, but I know whooping cough is on the rise where I live because of these morons and if an innocent baby dies because old mate over there thinks vaxxes are the devil, I’d be making hell for them (no pun intended). It’s not just stupidity, it’s selfishness.

Petra Peitsch
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You lost me at the anti-wax statement to feel any emphaty or understanding toward your sister. Also, her NAME ... LOL! -that's just pure ironic- But now I konw from where are coming those f.cking idiiots in the USA. They are the chikldren of your "sister's". I mean kids "homeschooled" by total lunatics, like your sister is. Why is homeschooling even legal? If not, to create idiots who are voting for lunatic felons.

Baba 35
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In fairness her sister was smart enough to get decent job till she found dystopia sorry mean god

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Corvus
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crazy people shouldn't be accommodated at others' expense. Especially anti-vaxxers, who are not just delusional, but actively malicious.

Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She sounds like she's fallen into the "Quiverfull" cult. They're an evangelical movement that is trying to "out breed" everyone else. The way they treat women is super gross.

Debbie
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know there are many people in the world and that is a reason some people don't want kids. But in order to counter the numbers of "dumb" people, "smart" children should be raised as well. I still haven't seen the movie Idiocracy but real life sounds more and more like we are going there. I hope more "smart" people have children who can rise up and rule countries wisely. Yes the children are the future, so if we want the world to keep existing, smart people should have more children tbh. And raise them well. So I fear for that outbreeding plan, as it is a very effective one. And the smart people just don't seem to be able to stop that plan or join in it.

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Baba 35
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Surprised they lived this long and don't worry ny time of wedding she'll be busy buying 9 mini coffins

Alexandra Nara
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Isn't it the nieces call to decide and invite whoever her pleases

Bec
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, it's her dad who is the a-hole for insisting that everyone else caters to his anti-vax sister to keep the peace. She isn't being excluded, she's been invited, made an unreasonable request, and that request was denied - ball is in her court, she can come or not come.

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FlamingRed
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your niece has spoken, so that should be that. Unfortunately, it seems that it isn't due to your brother. This meal will be held at your brother's house, and he has the right to decide who does or doesn't come to it. But you definitely need to let him know that if you honor his wishes, your entire family will not be attending the meal and that this request will change your relationship with him. As for the wedding, everyone go and enjoy yourselves.

Hidalgo
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Get used to it. They’ll be running US for the next four years. You all voted for them

LakotaWolf (she/her)
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We "all" didn't vote for them. I am really sick of non-Americans being smug and acting high and mighty and saying things that translate to "lololololol but u idiots ALL voted for trump lololololol." Literally 48% of America DID NOT vote for Trump. Oh, and I'm sure in YOUR country, all the politicians are perfect angels that are soooooo wonderful and perfect and love all the citizens and do ALL the right things to protect each and every citizen, right? RIGHT?

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Binky Melnik
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I still haven’t stopped laughing about “I mean that with my entire chest”! 😆 It seems like something an ESL speaker would say, and it’s simply adorable! It was the only bright spot in this terrifying post about that wretched, stupid woman!

Tabitha
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I predict at least some of Karen’s kids will run to the nearest clinic for a full round of vaccinations the millisecond they turn 18—if they live that long—-and their cray-cray mama can’t do a damned thing about it. Because the grown kids of anti-vaxx idiots like her seem to be doing that in droves. I hope the rest of the family is making sure the kids know they have a safe haven with them when they decide to GTFO of mama’s crazy house and live normal lives (after a bit of catching up because of the educational deficiencies caused by mama’s home “schooling”).

Winnowyl Daemera
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen a few stories on Reddit of older teenagers still living at home asking advice on how to get vaccines while still living at home, without their parents finding out.

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Jayjay
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are there still really people around that believe that vaccins cause autism? I'm flabbergasted....

TruthoftheHeart
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry but there's no way her children are being taken care of properly in that kind of situation, I would have already called DHS. You cannot have eight children in the house and properly be able to homeschool them with one grown up, who has not been trained to be a teacher.

RP
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The older children are always parentified in these families. Always. The mother just has to keep popping them out and the older girls take on the care duty for the younger ones

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All profits to charity
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait. Her pathogen management plan is permanent quarantine - but she makes you do it? I’m confused.

Schnitzel
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This will get downvoted but I think it’s nice for a change that there are other religions than Islam that have crazy a*s “practitioners”. In the name of the Lord, Allah, Yahweh and all Devas in existence. Sorry if I forgot one or three. Amen.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Speak to the couple getting married and see what they want. Sister is an AH but don't make decisions for the actual host.

G Bono
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So the brother wants OP to keep the peace by giving in and excluding her son, but it sounds like be failed. Either the lunatic sister will be upset or OP will be. Either way, they will interact at the wedding or reception. Fisticuffs will happen. The brother/father of the bride needs to let his daughter decide, but she must decide and inform everyone of her decision, and the battling sisters need to respect that decision. OP is bringing a lot of baggage into this which is obvious from her descriptions here. Both need to respect the bride and whoever "wins" can't gloat or even mention this or any other conflict to anyone at the wedding.

Judes
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd be tempted to play a similar game..."What do you mean they could catch something? Germs aren't real! Didn't you know germs were invented by Big Pharma in order to sell meds? You wouldn't be fooled by Big Pharma, would you?"

Amelia Jade
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If she's so flippin concerned, maybe she should vaccinate her kids.

Bryn
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"wants things to go smoothly" by making one stay home because of someone else's idiotic choices? You can't catch allergies. How would it go fair for the parents of that kid? Why is the other person more important, especially when your kid is saying they want allergy kid there?

Winnie the Moo
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To keep the peace?! She won’t bring peace at all even if the kid stays at home. She will find something else to b***h about AT THE WEDDINNG!

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IMPO, religion was created by powerful men to control the rest of us, considering the amount of Deities that have peppered Human history. This is a perfect example of how it can distort people's perspectives. I know that many will disagree, and everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and that's fine, as it is just MY opinion.

Gwyn
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Go since it's what the bride wants and ignore the brother (he wants to be the good guy to everyone, can't be done). The sister does this because she wants control and if you allow her to get her way it will get worse. Besides, she's doing it wrong - she's supposed to expose her kids to these diseases and give them natural immunity, am I right? 👍

DC
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Evangelical antivax nutcases ... would anyone even miss them?

Earonn -
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love the "if her kids get sick she can just pray it away" stance! But also: announcing a pregnancy 1 or even 2 months after last birth? I never had kids, but is her hubby f*****g her while she's still sore from giving birth? WTF??????

Nadine
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, this is very a-typical for parents who don´t get their children vaccinated. They are usually very much aware of how the immune system works and what specific diseases look like (to be able to get the proper treatment early, to avoid infecting others). So if it is true at all, the sister has other issues. She just is a mean person with main character syndrome. She was like that before she became religious and she will be like that when she ceases to be religious because she discovers something that makes her even moe "different and interesting". And may I just add that Christianity is not opposed to medicine. Rejecting specific treatments for specific reasons is one thing, rejecting any treatment whatsoever is putting God to the test. Some people will do that, but some people just are lunatics regardless of their religious beliefs or non-beliefs.

Gary Geracci
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know another religion like that. I have seen good folks throw away a career and ironclad military retirement for their beliefs!

Gary Geracci
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know another religion like that. I have seen folks throw away good careers and retirement because of that!

zovjraar me
Community Member
5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

it's the niece's choice! if she wants OP and OP's kids to be there, and they all want to be there, they all get to be there. wth does crazy sis expect to do when the kids grow up? are they all going to stay at the commune? unless the plan is that they never interact with other people, she has no leg to stand on.

Joanne Mendonza-Earle
Community Member
6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someday that woman will look back on her youth and realized she missed the best years of her life, living that lifestyle. Nothing wrong w/ any of it, honestly, but she has gotten waayyyyyy too judgmental and preachy. Live and let live.

Broadredpanda
Community Member
6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your sister hasn't found religion, she's found a cult. How dare she demand this? Those kids aren't even getting to spend time with other children because of her homeschooling and living in the middle of nowhere. NTA but your sister is an entitled brat forcing her s**t on her children and family and is a huge AH!!!

Mark Childers
Community Member
6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so sick of this. An unreasonable person does something unreasonable, and the reasonable person gets asked to let it go to alleviate the unreasonable one. It only encourages outrageous behavior and encourages it. People need to be held accountable for extreme behavior.

Hope Cook
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our family has a safe word. When you have enough of a conversation or you don't want to discuss it or whatever or any other time you just want to say "shut the F up" and not be rude. Just invoke the safe word. Our word is avocado. Invite whomever, and expect them all to be adults or they can make their own decisions on whether to come or not come. It's a family thing, all family should be there. And when whomever wants to b***h, when they start, just say the safe word.. then change the subject. Avocado. Did you see the sunset last night?

Danni
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And no one is flagging this as rage bait? It has all the elements. Barely there info, all the buzz words. Conservative religious trad wife anti vaxer with a hundred kids, against liberal educated gay couple. I mostly call BS on a father that "wants to keep the peace" over his daughter saying who she wants in her own wedding. This story stinks of fake nonsense.

RP
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Except that it resonates with a lot of people's own lived experience. It sounds fake until you've lived it. The other things is that those 'buzz words' are a great shortcut for communication. That's why we use them. It'd be hard to describe that kind of relative (I have one) without using them.

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BrunoVI
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1 week ago (edited)

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Fake. Not one "fundamentalist: Christian Church rejects modern medicine. A lot of individual vaccine skeptics? Hell yeah. But all modern medicine? Some kooks have come to that conclusion from Christian Science, but that denomination is actually very *liberal* and often not even discernably Christian anymore. (They have "reading rooms" instead of any organized ritual, and no required belief in God at all.) Some (a small minority) of Amish and related communities reject modern medicine, but the rest of the story doesn't fit them being Amish, of course.

RP
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Consider yourself lucky that you haven't met any. They exist and I know enough personally to be able to attest to their existence. To the point of prayer and the laying of hands for cancer instead of actual treatment (that was an ex nurse btw).

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Nimitz
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

F**k. That. B***h! I grew up having my medical needs ignored because of my evangelical mother. I've had major injuries, even life threatening ones utterly ignored in favor of prayer. Imagine being a 12 year old and almost bleeding out, with a beach towel soaked in blood and not getting help because your mom was "healing" you by speaking in tongues! I had fractures, torn muscles and damaged tendons ignored because I "just needed to pray on it". I've been suicidality depressed and told I just need more prayer. This woman is abusing her kids and should be forcibly sterilized before she can hurt more innocent children. Remove her from your life, because you will never, ever get through to her. Believe me, I speak from experience. Thank God (ironic) I never came out as a teenager, or I would be DEAD because of the hatemongering of evangelical Christians.

Beth Wheeler
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate that you or anybody else had to grow up with parents like that. I hope that all of your medical problems and injuries have been taken care of.

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Christopher Crockett
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have cut God's Atomic Jesus Freak B!tch out of my life long before she reached this point. Nine children isolated in the wilderness with compromised immune systems sounds like either the prequel to Deliverance or that X-Files episode called "Home".

Beth Wheeler
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh damn. God's Atomic Jesus Freak B***h is one I've never heard before... LOL She had some mental problems that they never knew about t ok go full till crazy Mama out in the middle of nowhere getting pregnant a few weeks after having a baby... Not healthy physically or mentally.

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Mari
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would say I am bringing my son with me. If her kids are becoming sick, that's Gods will and she has to accept that.

Libstak
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The commenter who noted that these types are so judgemental unless they need money is so accurate. My brother and SIL were evangelicals and she did her best to ignore us. He became very ill, mum and dad were constantly helping in one way or another to get them through, my sister and i too. She was constantly making a point of how "blessed by God" they were that they got all this help aka. It was not us, it was God. My brother died and my own parents, me and my sister were not welcome in the front row or the receiving line for condolences. All the congregation except 2 women ignored us at my own brothers funeral and she ensured we were not allowed to contribute to the headstone plaque which does not acknowledge him as a beloved son and brother. It still makes me want to scream 12 years later.

Lailu
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah, the good ol’ anti-vaxxers. I couldn’t give a flying fig about what happens to them, but I know whooping cough is on the rise where I live because of these morons and if an innocent baby dies because old mate over there thinks vaxxes are the devil, I’d be making hell for them (no pun intended). It’s not just stupidity, it’s selfishness.

Petra Peitsch
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You lost me at the anti-wax statement to feel any emphaty or understanding toward your sister. Also, her NAME ... LOL! -that's just pure ironic- But now I konw from where are coming those f.cking idiiots in the USA. They are the chikldren of your "sister's". I mean kids "homeschooled" by total lunatics, like your sister is. Why is homeschooling even legal? If not, to create idiots who are voting for lunatic felons.

Baba 35
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In fairness her sister was smart enough to get decent job till she found dystopia sorry mean god

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Corvus
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crazy people shouldn't be accommodated at others' expense. Especially anti-vaxxers, who are not just delusional, but actively malicious.

Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She sounds like she's fallen into the "Quiverfull" cult. They're an evangelical movement that is trying to "out breed" everyone else. The way they treat women is super gross.

Debbie
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know there are many people in the world and that is a reason some people don't want kids. But in order to counter the numbers of "dumb" people, "smart" children should be raised as well. I still haven't seen the movie Idiocracy but real life sounds more and more like we are going there. I hope more "smart" people have children who can rise up and rule countries wisely. Yes the children are the future, so if we want the world to keep existing, smart people should have more children tbh. And raise them well. So I fear for that outbreeding plan, as it is a very effective one. And the smart people just don't seem to be able to stop that plan or join in it.

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Baba 35
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Surprised they lived this long and don't worry ny time of wedding she'll be busy buying 9 mini coffins

Alexandra Nara
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Isn't it the nieces call to decide and invite whoever her pleases

Bec
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, it's her dad who is the a-hole for insisting that everyone else caters to his anti-vax sister to keep the peace. She isn't being excluded, she's been invited, made an unreasonable request, and that request was denied - ball is in her court, she can come or not come.

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FlamingRed
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your niece has spoken, so that should be that. Unfortunately, it seems that it isn't due to your brother. This meal will be held at your brother's house, and he has the right to decide who does or doesn't come to it. But you definitely need to let him know that if you honor his wishes, your entire family will not be attending the meal and that this request will change your relationship with him. As for the wedding, everyone go and enjoy yourselves.

Hidalgo
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Get used to it. They’ll be running US for the next four years. You all voted for them

LakotaWolf (she/her)
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We "all" didn't vote for them. I am really sick of non-Americans being smug and acting high and mighty and saying things that translate to "lololololol but u idiots ALL voted for trump lololololol." Literally 48% of America DID NOT vote for Trump. Oh, and I'm sure in YOUR country, all the politicians are perfect angels that are soooooo wonderful and perfect and love all the citizens and do ALL the right things to protect each and every citizen, right? RIGHT?

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Binky Melnik
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I still haven’t stopped laughing about “I mean that with my entire chest”! 😆 It seems like something an ESL speaker would say, and it’s simply adorable! It was the only bright spot in this terrifying post about that wretched, stupid woman!

Tabitha
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I predict at least some of Karen’s kids will run to the nearest clinic for a full round of vaccinations the millisecond they turn 18—if they live that long—-and their cray-cray mama can’t do a damned thing about it. Because the grown kids of anti-vaxx idiots like her seem to be doing that in droves. I hope the rest of the family is making sure the kids know they have a safe haven with them when they decide to GTFO of mama’s crazy house and live normal lives (after a bit of catching up because of the educational deficiencies caused by mama’s home “schooling”).

Winnowyl Daemera
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen a few stories on Reddit of older teenagers still living at home asking advice on how to get vaccines while still living at home, without their parents finding out.

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Jayjay
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are there still really people around that believe that vaccins cause autism? I'm flabbergasted....

TruthoftheHeart
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry but there's no way her children are being taken care of properly in that kind of situation, I would have already called DHS. You cannot have eight children in the house and properly be able to homeschool them with one grown up, who has not been trained to be a teacher.

RP
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The older children are always parentified in these families. Always. The mother just has to keep popping them out and the older girls take on the care duty for the younger ones

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All profits to charity
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait. Her pathogen management plan is permanent quarantine - but she makes you do it? I’m confused.

Schnitzel
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This will get downvoted but I think it’s nice for a change that there are other religions than Islam that have crazy a*s “practitioners”. In the name of the Lord, Allah, Yahweh and all Devas in existence. Sorry if I forgot one or three. Amen.

FreeTheUnicorn
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Speak to the couple getting married and see what they want. Sister is an AH but don't make decisions for the actual host.

G Bono
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So the brother wants OP to keep the peace by giving in and excluding her son, but it sounds like be failed. Either the lunatic sister will be upset or OP will be. Either way, they will interact at the wedding or reception. Fisticuffs will happen. The brother/father of the bride needs to let his daughter decide, but she must decide and inform everyone of her decision, and the battling sisters need to respect that decision. OP is bringing a lot of baggage into this which is obvious from her descriptions here. Both need to respect the bride and whoever "wins" can't gloat or even mention this or any other conflict to anyone at the wedding.

Judes
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd be tempted to play a similar game..."What do you mean they could catch something? Germs aren't real! Didn't you know germs were invented by Big Pharma in order to sell meds? You wouldn't be fooled by Big Pharma, would you?"

Amelia Jade
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If she's so flippin concerned, maybe she should vaccinate her kids.

Bryn
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"wants things to go smoothly" by making one stay home because of someone else's idiotic choices? You can't catch allergies. How would it go fair for the parents of that kid? Why is the other person more important, especially when your kid is saying they want allergy kid there?

Winnie the Moo
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To keep the peace?! She won’t bring peace at all even if the kid stays at home. She will find something else to b***h about AT THE WEDDINNG!

StumblingThroughLife
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IMPO, religion was created by powerful men to control the rest of us, considering the amount of Deities that have peppered Human history. This is a perfect example of how it can distort people's perspectives. I know that many will disagree, and everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and that's fine, as it is just MY opinion.

Gwyn
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Go since it's what the bride wants and ignore the brother (he wants to be the good guy to everyone, can't be done). The sister does this because she wants control and if you allow her to get her way it will get worse. Besides, she's doing it wrong - she's supposed to expose her kids to these diseases and give them natural immunity, am I right? 👍

DC
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Evangelical antivax nutcases ... would anyone even miss them?

Earonn -
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1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love the "if her kids get sick she can just pray it away" stance! But also: announcing a pregnancy 1 or even 2 months after last birth? I never had kids, but is her hubby f*****g her while she's still sore from giving birth? WTF??????

Nadine
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, this is very a-typical for parents who don´t get their children vaccinated. They are usually very much aware of how the immune system works and what specific diseases look like (to be able to get the proper treatment early, to avoid infecting others). So if it is true at all, the sister has other issues. She just is a mean person with main character syndrome. She was like that before she became religious and she will be like that when she ceases to be religious because she discovers something that makes her even moe "different and interesting". And may I just add that Christianity is not opposed to medicine. Rejecting specific treatments for specific reasons is one thing, rejecting any treatment whatsoever is putting God to the test. Some people will do that, but some people just are lunatics regardless of their religious beliefs or non-beliefs.

Gary Geracci
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know another religion like that. I have seen good folks throw away a career and ironclad military retirement for their beliefs!

Gary Geracci
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know another religion like that. I have seen folks throw away good careers and retirement because of that!

zovjraar me
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5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

it's the niece's choice! if she wants OP and OP's kids to be there, and they all want to be there, they all get to be there. wth does crazy sis expect to do when the kids grow up? are they all going to stay at the commune? unless the plan is that they never interact with other people, she has no leg to stand on.

Joanne Mendonza-Earle
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6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someday that woman will look back on her youth and realized she missed the best years of her life, living that lifestyle. Nothing wrong w/ any of it, honestly, but she has gotten waayyyyyy too judgmental and preachy. Live and let live.

Broadredpanda
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6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your sister hasn't found religion, she's found a cult. How dare she demand this? Those kids aren't even getting to spend time with other children because of her homeschooling and living in the middle of nowhere. NTA but your sister is an entitled brat forcing her s**t on her children and family and is a huge AH!!!

Mark Childers
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6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so sick of this. An unreasonable person does something unreasonable, and the reasonable person gets asked to let it go to alleviate the unreasonable one. It only encourages outrageous behavior and encourages it. People need to be held accountable for extreme behavior.

Hope Cook
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our family has a safe word. When you have enough of a conversation or you don't want to discuss it or whatever or any other time you just want to say "shut the F up" and not be rude. Just invoke the safe word. Our word is avocado. Invite whomever, and expect them all to be adults or they can make their own decisions on whether to come or not come. It's a family thing, all family should be there. And when whomever wants to b***h, when they start, just say the safe word.. then change the subject. Avocado. Did you see the sunset last night?

Danni
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And no one is flagging this as rage bait? It has all the elements. Barely there info, all the buzz words. Conservative religious trad wife anti vaxer with a hundred kids, against liberal educated gay couple. I mostly call BS on a father that "wants to keep the peace" over his daughter saying who she wants in her own wedding. This story stinks of fake nonsense.

RP
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Except that it resonates with a lot of people's own lived experience. It sounds fake until you've lived it. The other things is that those 'buzz words' are a great shortcut for communication. That's why we use them. It'd be hard to describe that kind of relative (I have one) without using them.

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BrunoVI
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1 week ago (edited)

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Fake. Not one "fundamentalist: Christian Church rejects modern medicine. A lot of individual vaccine skeptics? Hell yeah. But all modern medicine? Some kooks have come to that conclusion from Christian Science, but that denomination is actually very *liberal* and often not even discernably Christian anymore. (They have "reading rooms" instead of any organized ritual, and no required belief in God at all.) Some (a small minority) of Amish and related communities reject modern medicine, but the rest of the story doesn't fit them being Amish, of course.

RP
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Consider yourself lucky that you haven't met any. They exist and I know enough personally to be able to attest to their existence. To the point of prayer and the laying of hands for cancer instead of actual treatment (that was an ex nurse btw).

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