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Hey Pandas, AITA For Thinking My Mom Reported My SIL To CPS Behind Our Backs?
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Hey Pandas, AITA For Thinking My Mom Reported My SIL To CPS Behind Our Backs?

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A bit of background: A few months ago, my brother was experiencing serious mental health issues and problems with substance abuse. During one of his stays in the hospital, my sister-in-law (SIL) was struggling to manage their three children on her own. One night, while dealing with the usual routine of making dinner and getting the kids ready for bed, the eldest child had an outburst. In frustration, my SIL accidentally pushed the child, who then fell to the ground and injured their wrist. The next day, my SIL took the child for an X-ray, which revealed a minor fracture.

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At that time, my brother wasn’t thinking clearly and relayed the story to our mother, who immediately assumed it was a case of abuse

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It’s worth mentioning that my mother doesn’t particularly like my SIL and takes every opportunity to badmouth her. She also believes it’s entirely my SIL’s fault that my brother was experiencing mental health issues in the first place.

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Fast forward to now: My brother has gotten sober and sought the professional help he needed. I’m so proud of how far he’s come

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Today, my SIL told me that she recently received a call regarding a report of concern for the welfare of her child, specifically about the wrist injury

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A “concerned” family member made this report. My husband and I are absolutely horrified that someone, especially a family member, would make such an accusation during such a rough and low period in their lives. My SIL suspects that either my sister or mother made the call. I personally believe it was my mother.

My question is, AITAH for wanting to know who made this call to CPS, or should I leave it to my brother to confront the person who did this and ask why?

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Min
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She got frustrated and broke her child's wrist. That is abuse. Very few child abusers actually set out to do so. As Libstak wrote, abuse is often caused by frustration.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a child who was frequently shoved, pushed, and thrown across the room by my mother when she was "frustrated" or "angry": yes! This is ABUSE. This is not an ACCIDENT.

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Libstak
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She did act in frustration. OK yes, we all are capable of that but please do realise abuse is commonly about frustration too. I am sure she will cooperate well with CPS and they can also help her with the stress of dealing with your brother. These things go bad when CPS is treated as the enemy rather than the facilitator of a better outcome. Whoever reported her will be best disappointed if she embraces the opportunity of assistance that can be provided, her mental health deserves some care too and I am sure she is smart and loving enough to embrace the chance to get the best out of a bad situation. I hope she gets all the love support and courage she needs in trying to look after the mental health of her husband and the well being of her children as well as looking after herself, she so very much deserves it.

Ms.GB
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with your suggestion that she use CPS as a resource to get help. However it's important to clarify that she didn't ACCIDENTALLY push her child in frustration, she became frustrated and pushed her child. She had a moment of frustration in which she couldn't control her anger or actions and that's a problem. An accident is walking around a corner, not looking where you're going, bumping into your child and they fall down and break their wrist...that's an example of an accident. Just because you lost control of yourself in the moment and immediately regretted your actions does not make physically hurting someone an accident. She may have not meant to hurt her child but they aren't any less hurt. Good intentions cannot undo a broken wrist or the emotional damage of being physically hurt by a parent, especially with another parent in the hospital. Whoever called CPS did the right thing because mom needs to be able to handle even extreme emotions and traumatic situations without getting physical with her children. Life gets rough and sometimes when you think it can't possibly get any rougher it does and then it gets rougher still...There are a lot of ppl dealing with horribly stressful almost impossible situations but there is no excuse to get physical, especially with someone whose care and well being is in your hands.

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Michael MacKinnon
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You should leave it to the system to deal with this. Your SIL has a reasonable position (indeed, surprised the hospital wasn't required to report).

Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hospitals are required to report suspected abuse. If the injury and story didnt seem like abuse to them, they wouldnt have reported it

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Meagan Glaser
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Accidentally pushed him. The child fell to the ground. THEY hurt THEIR wrist. Nothing to do with the mom, passive language. It's all the kids fault the way you wrote it. If your brother get's frustrated with how hard life is in recovery and snapped and punched your sister in the face, would you chalk it up to him being overwhelmed? That he did it by accident? That he didn't mean to hurt her? That she fell and hit her head on the table and broke her own nose? That she shouldn't have set him off? That he's not that type, that it will never happen again? Or would you worry that this was the start of abuse?

123XYZ
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, and the "accident" was caused by frustration. Frustration may make me angry and make me do stupid s**t, but it hasn't yet caused me to have convulsions and accidentally push anyone. She pushed the kid on purpose and accidentally broke his wrist. She was then so afraid of getting in trouble she didn't have the kid's injury checked until the next day. She need help dealing with the stress in her life better than she has been. She's in a tough situation, but she needs to do better.

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LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a load of absolute BS. Your precious SIL didn't "accidentally" push her eldest child. How do you "accidentally" push a child? Answer: you don't. Accidentally pushing someone is when you don't know someone is there or around the corner from you and you walk into them or shove them without seeing them. If your SIL was "frustrated" at her child's "outburst", she absolutely KNEW where her child was. Your SIL pushed her own child down out of anger and frustration, no matter WHY she was frustrated, and caused the child's bone to break. As a child I was frequently pushed, shoved, thrown across the room, and hit by my mother. Was she "frustrated"? Absolutely. Was it ever an "accident"? Absolutely not. Congratulations, you're covering up for someone who harmed their child on purpose. Your SIL may not be a constant abuser, but lashing out and shoving your child to the ground so hard that it results in a BROKEN BONE is abuse, not an "accident". Stop your personal vendetta and your delusions.

Meagan Glaser
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I notice you aren't saying taht anyone LIED to CPS or exagerrated. They just "snitched" right? They told CPS the truth- your sister lashed out in anger at her children, physically lashed out and hurt her own child. You don't "accidentally" push a child in frustration. She lashed out irrationally out of anger, without thinking it through. It was a human moment, a snap of anger. But it was NOT an accident. She got angry and lashed out at her child. And the child broke a bone as a result. You are giving her the benefit of the doubt, which is understandable. Other people see what she literally, physically did and go "oh dear, if it happened once..." and are worried for those kids. So many people who hit kids and continue to hit kids will explain they didn't mean to. The kids made them mad. They were overwhelmed. They were frustrated and angry.

Undercover
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

CPS are not the bad guys. If everything is great in your family, they'll leave you alone. But a dad who's a druggie and a mom who loses it's temper to the point of injurying a child doesn't sound exactly healthy for the kids. Adults CAN process a phase as a temporary time filled with difficutlies, but small kids don't have this ability yet. When they're miserable, they suffer miserably. It engraves in their brains.

Undercover
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Edit: most of the time nobody reports child abuse, even if the circumstances are horrible. The kids are blessed because there's at least one person looking out for them. Ffs, adults can fight for themselves. Children can't. Nobody looked out for me as I was little... ☹️

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Anony Mouse
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lots of things can happen by accident - grabbing a child about to fall down a flight of stairs can dislocate an elbow or shoulder - doctors are used to seeing this, and dealing with the hysterical parents who are sure they're about to be arrested for abuse. Fingers and hands get shut in doors. Little hands grab hot things. They are trained to see signs of abuse, and ask leading questions to determine what happened. This is abuse - and tacit complicity.

Ben Aziza
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is not fathomable amount of frustration that will make a normal human being injure their child with an act of violence. If it happened once it is abuse.

meeeeeeeeeeee
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't accidentally push someone in frustration. If they were frustrated they abused their child and broke their arm. Having a father with substance abuse problems and a mother who breaks their bones? Yikes, CPS needs to be involved

Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is your ultimate goal here? To "punish" your mom or to help your family? Just ignore Bored Panda's poll because it just plays into stereotypes that its a "betrayal" to admit theres a problem.The facts are what they are, and your sil and brother need help with their kids.

Cesca
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She pushed her child out of frustration. The child fell and broke a bone. She then waited until the next day to get the child any medical care. Why wouldn’t you report her to CPS? That’s abuse.

Booster Booey
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She pushed her child, which caused a broken bone. That woman should be in jail.

Jennifer Clayton
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ask yourself: who am I helping here? You don't sound willing to jump in and help the family deal with trauma. You just want to get involved in drama sleuthing. She broke her child's bone and you want to know who tattled. I don't see any info on why you think CPS should not be involved.

Weasel Wise
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How many other times has she been frustrated and stressed and laid hands on her kids in this manner? As a person who survived parental assaults, I GUARANTEE this wasn't the first time she has been aggressive with one of her kids...nobody has a once off chance that they suddenly decided to shove their kid hard enough to break bone. It's just the first time being caught. Now, about CPS, either make a report of abuse or don't. But you're just begging for drama if you choose to play detective to find out who made the original report. I can't comprehend that you're more concerned about WHO called CPS than you are about the fact that this woman BROKE YOUR NEPHEW'S ARM and you're making excuses for her by stating the rough patch in life made her do it. Lemme repeat, AN ADULT BROKE A CHILD'S ARM OUT OF ANGER. Your priorities are absolutely fukked.

Jaya
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of course CPS needs to get involved. This needs to be looked at by people who are experienced in determining whether it was an actual accident or abuse. You shouldn't be horrified that a family member made the call, you should be GRATEFUL. Actually pushing a child in frustration and then the kid breaks a bone, yeah that's abuse. Depends on what exactly happened, she could have been frustrated and that's why she stormed off angrily, flailing her arms, and that's how she accidentally "pushed" the kid. But the description doesn't sound like that's what happened, and abusers will always make it seem like it was just an accident. And you as a family member clearly don't have the objectivity to interpret this situation, CPS will be more likely to cut through the c**p and figure out what really happened. By the way, most abusers do it in a moment of frustration, that's no excuse.

123XYZ
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nah. She'd only be the a-hole if she did confront the person who did the responsible thing by reaching out to CPS to see what help was needed. She asked and people have pretty uniformly told her she'd be wrong to confront her more responsible family member, so there's hope she won't attack this person for doing the right thing.

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Emie N.
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is probably the reason your mother doesn't like your SIL. She knew she was bad news. And the way SIL abused her children, she was right. I'm sorry OP but that WAS abusive.

dezyre1980
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I once had a family member accuse me of "flinging my toddler out of the way and pushing her to the ground" as I was lunging toward the hallway to run to the bathroom to throw up and accidentallyknocked them over. That would be a case of accidentally pushing someone. If I had been pushing my child aside to stomp down the hallway in anger and accidentally knocked my child over I would have sought help to learn to regulate my emotions. There is a line that needs not to be crossed. CPS ultimately wants to keep families together. They will help you if you ask but they will also not take your excuses.

Aaaa Bbbb
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. My guess is a medical professional blew the whistle. Nurses are trained to look for signs of abuse and are legally obligated to report concerns to authorities, as they should be. SIL can deal with the consequences of her own actions.

Mary Lugo
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All teachers, nurses, etc. are required to contact CPS if they believe a child or the elderly are being abused. This remains anonymous. CPS is required to check out the complaint, and act accordingly. As a teacher, I've done it a few times. It seems to have been a 'wake - up' call to the guardians. The reporter is not punished if nothing results from the call.

Celtic Pirate Queen
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My upstair neighbors played the stereo really loud (lots of bass), so I politely asked them to turn it down, I had to go to work and the kids to school. Every time I complained, they ignored me. I contacted the manager, nothing. Finally, I called the police and they were cited. Well, about 2 weeks later 2 ladies from CPS came knocking. "Someone" had reported that my son had 2 black eyes. I had just finished cleaning, the little one was taking her nap and I called for my son to come home. No black eyes, no I never hit him, etc. I told her who had called and why. How'd you like that $500 citation for filing a false report, Ms. Jackson? (PS - I even had cookies in the oven). In addition, the Jackson's were evicted.

Raider Wiz
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Medical staff are mandated reporters. How does one 'accidently' push a child? How old is the child? How hard of a push does it take to fracture a wrist? It's illegal to disclose who the reporting party is including stating ' a concerned relative'

Erin E
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do you want to know? Your best bet is to let CPS do their job and be honest if you are questioned. Confronting whoever sent in the report will just make the investigation worse for everyone. If they find there is abuse you will be grateful someone called CPS

D.N. Lyons
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mother used to excuse hitting us in anger on frustrations. Woman, I am your disabled child, and you hit me the most. Don't take your anger out on someone who needed Baker Acts to get away from you. That's abuse, full stop. AND SO IS WHAT THE SIL DID. People shake babies to death from frustration. It's NOT AN EXCUSE.

BrownEyedPanda
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my niece was around four years old, she was quite a handful. It was to the point where her visits to the emergency room averaged twice a week. At one point, the E.R. staff were ready to notify the police. But when they saw her try to climb over her mother's back while she was tying her shoes and land on her back on the floor, the staff realized what my sister was dealing with on a regular basis. I would side-eye any mandated reporters that didn't do their job. Whoever called CPS on the SIL may very well have kept a molehill from turning into an active volcano. There is never a good reason to abuse a child, even if it's your own.

justme
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would want to know more about the push before deciding if this was abuse. How does someone "accidentally" push someone? If she put her hands on the child and pushed her that is very intentional and she is to blame for the injury. If she bumped into her trying to get past her or something and the child fell that would be a bit different.

arthbach
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would also want to know who reported it. However, I would not need to know, and there's big difference between 'wants' and 'needs'. Offer your help to this struggling family. Help them make their lives easier.

Ruth Watry
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Brother dealing with mental health issues - wife not able to handle the children - CPS had to be called

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not an AH for wondering, but you're an AH for digging into it. Confidentially in such matters is the best way to make sure people come forward and report abuse. The most likely source is either the hospital, or a GP. If there have been other injuries or if the story and the x-ray don't line up, it will trigger an investigation. Spend more time making sure the kids are ok and less on who thinks they aren't. Substance abuse in the home means they are already at a much higher risk for a lot of issues, even if no abuse is directed at them, but that is also more likely.

Happynyss
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA for wanting to know who reported your SIL and for thinking it was your mother, but I don't see how someone could ACCIDENTALLY push a child, especially hard enough to break their wrist. I doubt it was an accident, OP. She most likely got frustrated and purposely shoved the child to the ground, resulting in the injury. Sure, she probably did it without thinking, and yes this was a very hard time for her, but that is no excuse. No matter what, doing that, is considered child abuse. So, I don't blame your mother for reporting SIL. If it really was your mother.

Rachel Hendricks
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One does not "accidentally" push a child out of frustration. As a survivor of childhood abuse, this was a deliberate act, and that makes it abuse. The MIL, or whomever, was not wrong to call CPS, early intervention can help both the parent and child.

Michelle Greer
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it was the hospital as they are mandatory reporters and if the SIL told the truth about what happened they would be required to report thst the child was injured and in a home with an overwhelmed mother and father having mental issues. Nit saying it's right or wrong just that for the safety of the child the hospital has to report stuff l8ke this. If they are doing better than CPS should be able to do one or two wellness checks on the home and close the case. In the end the child was injured due to the actions of their mother and CPS should at least check on them, for the child's safety which is first and foremost.

ImagineThat
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So in the article it says it was an "accident." Was it or wasn't it? If it was genuinely a true accident and OP saw it and that it was an accident then I'd 100% try to back her up. But if it's unknown if it was an accident or that it happened out of frustration then a CPS call would most likely be enough consequence to make sure it doesn't happen again. Either way it sounds like SIL could use some help because her situation is one that can lead to her becoming abusive because instead of receiving the help she needs, she's just getting judgement in return. It sounds to me like OP is almost siding with SIL so it feels like the most innocent scenario is probably the most likely one.

Monica Thompson
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally wrong to call CPS on a struggling family. Involving CPS is akin to involving the police. They will not help this family, only cause more problems and intensify stress for them. Whoever called does not truly want to help the family or they would have offered help. What the children need is for the extended family to offer more help to the children and mother, not to add a CPS investigation to their list of problems.

Ash Conner
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel that this should be delt with in the family. If it was a recurring this then call. They need family therapy. CPS could also take the kid, cause trama and maybe to some creeps house. I think family therapy is a good next step. Husband probably should go to outpatient help.

Laura Lou
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It doesn't sound like your mother (if she did report it) did this maliciously. I would also call CPS if a family member broke a child's wrist, *especially* since it absolutely doesn't seem like an accident. Your SIL may regret it, but if she can't handle a child having an outburst without "accidentally" breaking their wrist, maybe she shouldn't have the kids around. I understand your SIL probably convinced you otherwise, but at the very least she should be looked at by CPS over this. Focus on helping your SIL right now instead of trying to blame someone.

Lily Anne
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don’t understand many things here. The eldest had an outburst- how old is he, what kind of outburst? My daughter had an outburst and dragged me like a rag through the parking lot- was it like this? Or was it like” I hate you for not buying me this cute purse!” ? Why does your mother think your SIL is the reason for your brother’s mental health issues? What about your sister? Are you from the US? CPS in different countries work differently. I personally don’t think you’d be the AH for just wanting to know who reported your SIL, but I’d rather leave to your brother to talk to your mother and get her reasons. I think your family has some issues that need to be resolved for the future and the good health of everyone involved.

Carolyn Hoagland
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is important to figure out who did this. We were reported with clear lies and it devastated and damaged our relationship with our daughter. 1st mynBIL decided he did not like me and lied. Then my own mother figure. Our daughter is now 30 and we are still dealing with the damage done, We were told by others BIL and his wife were telling lies about us. We cut him off for 5 years. He apologized but then kept doing things to hurt us. Finally we have severed that relationship completely. Every time we speak to him he hurts us. My mother had Dementia and that was another set of issues. She was emotionally and physically abusive and we had to break contact for our daughter primarily. We also needed to protect ourselves. If mom did it once she may do it again. CPS, at least in CA will not tell you who called.

Min
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She got frustrated and broke her child's wrist. That is abuse. Very few child abusers actually set out to do so. As Libstak wrote, abuse is often caused by frustration.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a child who was frequently shoved, pushed, and thrown across the room by my mother when she was "frustrated" or "angry": yes! This is ABUSE. This is not an ACCIDENT.

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Libstak
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She did act in frustration. OK yes, we all are capable of that but please do realise abuse is commonly about frustration too. I am sure she will cooperate well with CPS and they can also help her with the stress of dealing with your brother. These things go bad when CPS is treated as the enemy rather than the facilitator of a better outcome. Whoever reported her will be best disappointed if she embraces the opportunity of assistance that can be provided, her mental health deserves some care too and I am sure she is smart and loving enough to embrace the chance to get the best out of a bad situation. I hope she gets all the love support and courage she needs in trying to look after the mental health of her husband and the well being of her children as well as looking after herself, she so very much deserves it.

Ms.GB
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with your suggestion that she use CPS as a resource to get help. However it's important to clarify that she didn't ACCIDENTALLY push her child in frustration, she became frustrated and pushed her child. She had a moment of frustration in which she couldn't control her anger or actions and that's a problem. An accident is walking around a corner, not looking where you're going, bumping into your child and they fall down and break their wrist...that's an example of an accident. Just because you lost control of yourself in the moment and immediately regretted your actions does not make physically hurting someone an accident. She may have not meant to hurt her child but they aren't any less hurt. Good intentions cannot undo a broken wrist or the emotional damage of being physically hurt by a parent, especially with another parent in the hospital. Whoever called CPS did the right thing because mom needs to be able to handle even extreme emotions and traumatic situations without getting physical with her children. Life gets rough and sometimes when you think it can't possibly get any rougher it does and then it gets rougher still...There are a lot of ppl dealing with horribly stressful almost impossible situations but there is no excuse to get physical, especially with someone whose care and well being is in your hands.

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Michael MacKinnon
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You should leave it to the system to deal with this. Your SIL has a reasonable position (indeed, surprised the hospital wasn't required to report).

Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hospitals are required to report suspected abuse. If the injury and story didnt seem like abuse to them, they wouldnt have reported it

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Meagan Glaser
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Accidentally pushed him. The child fell to the ground. THEY hurt THEIR wrist. Nothing to do with the mom, passive language. It's all the kids fault the way you wrote it. If your brother get's frustrated with how hard life is in recovery and snapped and punched your sister in the face, would you chalk it up to him being overwhelmed? That he did it by accident? That he didn't mean to hurt her? That she fell and hit her head on the table and broke her own nose? That she shouldn't have set him off? That he's not that type, that it will never happen again? Or would you worry that this was the start of abuse?

123XYZ
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, and the "accident" was caused by frustration. Frustration may make me angry and make me do stupid s**t, but it hasn't yet caused me to have convulsions and accidentally push anyone. She pushed the kid on purpose and accidentally broke his wrist. She was then so afraid of getting in trouble she didn't have the kid's injury checked until the next day. She need help dealing with the stress in her life better than she has been. She's in a tough situation, but she needs to do better.

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LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a load of absolute BS. Your precious SIL didn't "accidentally" push her eldest child. How do you "accidentally" push a child? Answer: you don't. Accidentally pushing someone is when you don't know someone is there or around the corner from you and you walk into them or shove them without seeing them. If your SIL was "frustrated" at her child's "outburst", she absolutely KNEW where her child was. Your SIL pushed her own child down out of anger and frustration, no matter WHY she was frustrated, and caused the child's bone to break. As a child I was frequently pushed, shoved, thrown across the room, and hit by my mother. Was she "frustrated"? Absolutely. Was it ever an "accident"? Absolutely not. Congratulations, you're covering up for someone who harmed their child on purpose. Your SIL may not be a constant abuser, but lashing out and shoving your child to the ground so hard that it results in a BROKEN BONE is abuse, not an "accident". Stop your personal vendetta and your delusions.

Meagan Glaser
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I notice you aren't saying taht anyone LIED to CPS or exagerrated. They just "snitched" right? They told CPS the truth- your sister lashed out in anger at her children, physically lashed out and hurt her own child. You don't "accidentally" push a child in frustration. She lashed out irrationally out of anger, without thinking it through. It was a human moment, a snap of anger. But it was NOT an accident. She got angry and lashed out at her child. And the child broke a bone as a result. You are giving her the benefit of the doubt, which is understandable. Other people see what she literally, physically did and go "oh dear, if it happened once..." and are worried for those kids. So many people who hit kids and continue to hit kids will explain they didn't mean to. The kids made them mad. They were overwhelmed. They were frustrated and angry.

Undercover
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

CPS are not the bad guys. If everything is great in your family, they'll leave you alone. But a dad who's a druggie and a mom who loses it's temper to the point of injurying a child doesn't sound exactly healthy for the kids. Adults CAN process a phase as a temporary time filled with difficutlies, but small kids don't have this ability yet. When they're miserable, they suffer miserably. It engraves in their brains.

Undercover
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Edit: most of the time nobody reports child abuse, even if the circumstances are horrible. The kids are blessed because there's at least one person looking out for them. Ffs, adults can fight for themselves. Children can't. Nobody looked out for me as I was little... ☹️

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Anony Mouse
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lots of things can happen by accident - grabbing a child about to fall down a flight of stairs can dislocate an elbow or shoulder - doctors are used to seeing this, and dealing with the hysterical parents who are sure they're about to be arrested for abuse. Fingers and hands get shut in doors. Little hands grab hot things. They are trained to see signs of abuse, and ask leading questions to determine what happened. This is abuse - and tacit complicity.

Ben Aziza
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is not fathomable amount of frustration that will make a normal human being injure their child with an act of violence. If it happened once it is abuse.

meeeeeeeeeeee
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't accidentally push someone in frustration. If they were frustrated they abused their child and broke their arm. Having a father with substance abuse problems and a mother who breaks their bones? Yikes, CPS needs to be involved

Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is your ultimate goal here? To "punish" your mom or to help your family? Just ignore Bored Panda's poll because it just plays into stereotypes that its a "betrayal" to admit theres a problem.The facts are what they are, and your sil and brother need help with their kids.

Cesca
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She pushed her child out of frustration. The child fell and broke a bone. She then waited until the next day to get the child any medical care. Why wouldn’t you report her to CPS? That’s abuse.

Booster Booey
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She pushed her child, which caused a broken bone. That woman should be in jail.

Jennifer Clayton
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ask yourself: who am I helping here? You don't sound willing to jump in and help the family deal with trauma. You just want to get involved in drama sleuthing. She broke her child's bone and you want to know who tattled. I don't see any info on why you think CPS should not be involved.

Weasel Wise
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How many other times has she been frustrated and stressed and laid hands on her kids in this manner? As a person who survived parental assaults, I GUARANTEE this wasn't the first time she has been aggressive with one of her kids...nobody has a once off chance that they suddenly decided to shove their kid hard enough to break bone. It's just the first time being caught. Now, about CPS, either make a report of abuse or don't. But you're just begging for drama if you choose to play detective to find out who made the original report. I can't comprehend that you're more concerned about WHO called CPS than you are about the fact that this woman BROKE YOUR NEPHEW'S ARM and you're making excuses for her by stating the rough patch in life made her do it. Lemme repeat, AN ADULT BROKE A CHILD'S ARM OUT OF ANGER. Your priorities are absolutely fukked.

Jaya
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of course CPS needs to get involved. This needs to be looked at by people who are experienced in determining whether it was an actual accident or abuse. You shouldn't be horrified that a family member made the call, you should be GRATEFUL. Actually pushing a child in frustration and then the kid breaks a bone, yeah that's abuse. Depends on what exactly happened, she could have been frustrated and that's why she stormed off angrily, flailing her arms, and that's how she accidentally "pushed" the kid. But the description doesn't sound like that's what happened, and abusers will always make it seem like it was just an accident. And you as a family member clearly don't have the objectivity to interpret this situation, CPS will be more likely to cut through the c**p and figure out what really happened. By the way, most abusers do it in a moment of frustration, that's no excuse.

123XYZ
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nah. She'd only be the a-hole if she did confront the person who did the responsible thing by reaching out to CPS to see what help was needed. She asked and people have pretty uniformly told her she'd be wrong to confront her more responsible family member, so there's hope she won't attack this person for doing the right thing.

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Emie N.
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is probably the reason your mother doesn't like your SIL. She knew she was bad news. And the way SIL abused her children, she was right. I'm sorry OP but that WAS abusive.

dezyre1980
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I once had a family member accuse me of "flinging my toddler out of the way and pushing her to the ground" as I was lunging toward the hallway to run to the bathroom to throw up and accidentallyknocked them over. That would be a case of accidentally pushing someone. If I had been pushing my child aside to stomp down the hallway in anger and accidentally knocked my child over I would have sought help to learn to regulate my emotions. There is a line that needs not to be crossed. CPS ultimately wants to keep families together. They will help you if you ask but they will also not take your excuses.

Aaaa Bbbb
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. My guess is a medical professional blew the whistle. Nurses are trained to look for signs of abuse and are legally obligated to report concerns to authorities, as they should be. SIL can deal with the consequences of her own actions.

Mary Lugo
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All teachers, nurses, etc. are required to contact CPS if they believe a child or the elderly are being abused. This remains anonymous. CPS is required to check out the complaint, and act accordingly. As a teacher, I've done it a few times. It seems to have been a 'wake - up' call to the guardians. The reporter is not punished if nothing results from the call.

Celtic Pirate Queen
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My upstair neighbors played the stereo really loud (lots of bass), so I politely asked them to turn it down, I had to go to work and the kids to school. Every time I complained, they ignored me. I contacted the manager, nothing. Finally, I called the police and they were cited. Well, about 2 weeks later 2 ladies from CPS came knocking. "Someone" had reported that my son had 2 black eyes. I had just finished cleaning, the little one was taking her nap and I called for my son to come home. No black eyes, no I never hit him, etc. I told her who had called and why. How'd you like that $500 citation for filing a false report, Ms. Jackson? (PS - I even had cookies in the oven). In addition, the Jackson's were evicted.

Raider Wiz
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Medical staff are mandated reporters. How does one 'accidently' push a child? How old is the child? How hard of a push does it take to fracture a wrist? It's illegal to disclose who the reporting party is including stating ' a concerned relative'

Erin E
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do you want to know? Your best bet is to let CPS do their job and be honest if you are questioned. Confronting whoever sent in the report will just make the investigation worse for everyone. If they find there is abuse you will be grateful someone called CPS

D.N. Lyons
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mother used to excuse hitting us in anger on frustrations. Woman, I am your disabled child, and you hit me the most. Don't take your anger out on someone who needed Baker Acts to get away from you. That's abuse, full stop. AND SO IS WHAT THE SIL DID. People shake babies to death from frustration. It's NOT AN EXCUSE.

BrownEyedPanda
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my niece was around four years old, she was quite a handful. It was to the point where her visits to the emergency room averaged twice a week. At one point, the E.R. staff were ready to notify the police. But when they saw her try to climb over her mother's back while she was tying her shoes and land on her back on the floor, the staff realized what my sister was dealing with on a regular basis. I would side-eye any mandated reporters that didn't do their job. Whoever called CPS on the SIL may very well have kept a molehill from turning into an active volcano. There is never a good reason to abuse a child, even if it's your own.

justme
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would want to know more about the push before deciding if this was abuse. How does someone "accidentally" push someone? If she put her hands on the child and pushed her that is very intentional and she is to blame for the injury. If she bumped into her trying to get past her or something and the child fell that would be a bit different.

arthbach
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would also want to know who reported it. However, I would not need to know, and there's big difference between 'wants' and 'needs'. Offer your help to this struggling family. Help them make their lives easier.

Ruth Watry
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Brother dealing with mental health issues - wife not able to handle the children - CPS had to be called

FreeTheUnicorn
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not an AH for wondering, but you're an AH for digging into it. Confidentially in such matters is the best way to make sure people come forward and report abuse. The most likely source is either the hospital, or a GP. If there have been other injuries or if the story and the x-ray don't line up, it will trigger an investigation. Spend more time making sure the kids are ok and less on who thinks they aren't. Substance abuse in the home means they are already at a much higher risk for a lot of issues, even if no abuse is directed at them, but that is also more likely.

Happynyss
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA for wanting to know who reported your SIL and for thinking it was your mother, but I don't see how someone could ACCIDENTALLY push a child, especially hard enough to break their wrist. I doubt it was an accident, OP. She most likely got frustrated and purposely shoved the child to the ground, resulting in the injury. Sure, she probably did it without thinking, and yes this was a very hard time for her, but that is no excuse. No matter what, doing that, is considered child abuse. So, I don't blame your mother for reporting SIL. If it really was your mother.

Rachel Hendricks
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One does not "accidentally" push a child out of frustration. As a survivor of childhood abuse, this was a deliberate act, and that makes it abuse. The MIL, or whomever, was not wrong to call CPS, early intervention can help both the parent and child.

Michelle Greer
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it was the hospital as they are mandatory reporters and if the SIL told the truth about what happened they would be required to report thst the child was injured and in a home with an overwhelmed mother and father having mental issues. Nit saying it's right or wrong just that for the safety of the child the hospital has to report stuff l8ke this. If they are doing better than CPS should be able to do one or two wellness checks on the home and close the case. In the end the child was injured due to the actions of their mother and CPS should at least check on them, for the child's safety which is first and foremost.

ImagineThat
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So in the article it says it was an "accident." Was it or wasn't it? If it was genuinely a true accident and OP saw it and that it was an accident then I'd 100% try to back her up. But if it's unknown if it was an accident or that it happened out of frustration then a CPS call would most likely be enough consequence to make sure it doesn't happen again. Either way it sounds like SIL could use some help because her situation is one that can lead to her becoming abusive because instead of receiving the help she needs, she's just getting judgement in return. It sounds to me like OP is almost siding with SIL so it feels like the most innocent scenario is probably the most likely one.

Monica Thompson
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally wrong to call CPS on a struggling family. Involving CPS is akin to involving the police. They will not help this family, only cause more problems and intensify stress for them. Whoever called does not truly want to help the family or they would have offered help. What the children need is for the extended family to offer more help to the children and mother, not to add a CPS investigation to their list of problems.

Ash Conner
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel that this should be delt with in the family. If it was a recurring this then call. They need family therapy. CPS could also take the kid, cause trama and maybe to some creeps house. I think family therapy is a good next step. Husband probably should go to outpatient help.

Laura Lou
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It doesn't sound like your mother (if she did report it) did this maliciously. I would also call CPS if a family member broke a child's wrist, *especially* since it absolutely doesn't seem like an accident. Your SIL may regret it, but if she can't handle a child having an outburst without "accidentally" breaking their wrist, maybe she shouldn't have the kids around. I understand your SIL probably convinced you otherwise, but at the very least she should be looked at by CPS over this. Focus on helping your SIL right now instead of trying to blame someone.

Lily Anne
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don’t understand many things here. The eldest had an outburst- how old is he, what kind of outburst? My daughter had an outburst and dragged me like a rag through the parking lot- was it like this? Or was it like” I hate you for not buying me this cute purse!” ? Why does your mother think your SIL is the reason for your brother’s mental health issues? What about your sister? Are you from the US? CPS in different countries work differently. I personally don’t think you’d be the AH for just wanting to know who reported your SIL, but I’d rather leave to your brother to talk to your mother and get her reasons. I think your family has some issues that need to be resolved for the future and the good health of everyone involved.

Carolyn Hoagland
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is important to figure out who did this. We were reported with clear lies and it devastated and damaged our relationship with our daughter. 1st mynBIL decided he did not like me and lied. Then my own mother figure. Our daughter is now 30 and we are still dealing with the damage done, We were told by others BIL and his wife were telling lies about us. We cut him off for 5 years. He apologized but then kept doing things to hurt us. Finally we have severed that relationship completely. Every time we speak to him he hurts us. My mother had Dementia and that was another set of issues. She was emotionally and physically abusive and we had to break contact for our daughter primarily. We also needed to protect ourselves. If mom did it once she may do it again. CPS, at least in CA will not tell you who called.

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