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Hey Pandas, AITA For Standing Up To My Husband After His Latest Outburst By Playing A Recording?
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Hey Pandas, AITA For Standing Up To My Husband After His Latest Outburst By Playing A Recording?

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My husband (42m) and I (39f) have been together for about 5 years, married for 2. We have 5 (mine) + 4 (his) children. A year ago, we separated because we were fighting all the time.

The reason is: that he is very hard on the kids and punishes (home arrest, takes away internet/phone, etc.) them if they don’t act like he wants (I imagine kids were raised like this in the ’50-’60s). I am trying to raise the kids in a more gentle way. I have been able to change his behavior a lot in 5 years but still, he is strict.

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    My husband also drinks a lot. He makes himself believe that it is his right because he works in IT and makes a lot of money

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    When he drinks he becomes easily irritated, and he wants a lot of attention (always).

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    Before we separated, we fought almost every time when I had also been drinking (getaway at a hotel or something), and probably the biggest reason was that I wouldn’t take his nonsense. When I don’t drink, it’s easier to ignore the things that would easily turn into a fight. Sometimes, I would record the conversations so I would have proof that I didn’t do the thing he said. When he was drunk and mad at me, he threatened to kick me and the kids out, get a divorce, etc.

    We moved back in together 2 months ago and I thought he had changed and stopped the threatening but here we go again

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    Yesterday my brother (35) was visiting us, my husband picked him up from his place and they wanted to watch hockey together. Both were drinking a lot. At 9 pm I told my brother that I was gonna take him home now, my husband wanted to tag along.

    My brother has diabetes (1) and when he drinks and doesn’t eat or take insulin, he can get psychotic (this happened a lot when he was younger). I didn’t realize early enough that it was going to be that way. Anyway, on the way back, we went to see my daughter (20) and my brother wanted to go drink one drink with her too, and I messed up by going with it.

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    The night ended up like this:
    I tried to get my brother to leave the bar, but he wouldn’t even though he was asked to leave by the owner (he was wasted). He started yelling and was getting aggressive. My husband grabbed him by the neck and that made things worse. When I said this to him, he got angry at me and walked to the car screaming!

    My brother started walking home but he left his coat where his insulins were. My daughter ran after him, and in 2 min my brother attacked her and threw her bag away. My husband was about 40m away, he could see me.

    I went to get my daughter’s bag and then my brother started attacking me. I walked backward away from him, screaming “Leave me alone, stay away,” etc

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    My daughter and her fiancee ran to help me. My husband sat by the car. Finally, after minutes, he walked to help, and we were able to leave.

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    In the car on the way back, I asked why he didn’t help me right away. He said he didn’t hear me and started yelling at me to find a man who would be what I needed

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    Because obviously, he’s not the one. And he can never do things the way I want (self-pity talk). I told him I would call the police to get him out of the car if he didn’t stop screaming at me when I was driving 100km/h in the pitch dark. After that, he was quiet till we got home. At home, he started the divorce talk again… I even recorded one conversation.

    This morning I tried talking to him, but immediately he started raising his voice that I was accusing him in the car, I started acting out to him in the car (which isn’t true). I told him I could play the recording, but he didn’t want to hear it (he didn’t want to be wrong). I was so pissed that I said I could play from the speakers (I wouldn’t in front of kids) and he yelled “If you do that so that the kids can hear it, you can pack your bags and leave!” So I slammed the bedroom door and walked out, we haven’t spoken since and probably won’t speak for days.

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    Hello Pandas! My name is Ieva, though it's often mistaken for the word 'Leva,' and in Lithuanian, it means 'loser' (insert the pain emoji). While I don't take offense if you accidentally call me a loser, I thought I'd share something interesting with you, which I also do professionally at work.Anywayyy, my favorite part here is introducing you to creative people who deserve just as much recognition as famous celebrities. Besides that, I also enjoy memes and funny, lighthearted posts, and occasionally, I find myself drawn to a bit of internet drama.

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    Ieva Midveryte

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    Hello Pandas! My name is Ieva, though it's often mistaken for the word 'Leva,' and in Lithuanian, it means 'loser' (insert the pain emoji). While I don't take offense if you accidentally call me a loser, I thought I'd share something interesting with you, which I also do professionally at work.Anywayyy, my favorite part here is introducing you to creative people who deserve just as much recognition as famous celebrities. Besides that, I also enjoy memes and funny, lighthearted posts, and occasionally, I find myself drawn to a bit of internet drama.

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    Snow_White
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jesus Christ. Leave this guy!!! And build up better boundaries quick.

    Weasel Wise
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Leave him and stop drinking. Do you not notice the theme of "we were drinking", "I was drinking", "he was drinking"?

    lenka
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh my goodness. So much to unpack here. Firstly, your husband is not a good person. He is an abusive alcoholic. Stop trying to change him. He wont change. Leave him. You need to have some very firm words with your brother about his alcohol use. If he cannot appropriately manage his insulin when he drinks, then neither you or your daughter/other children should be anywhere near him when he does.

    StretcherBearer
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is all one drunken mistake away from tragedy. The kids will be the ones harmed inevitably.

    Thanos'Fingers
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your brothers a POS too. Leave them both. Press charges for his assault on you and your daughter. Make sure hubs knows he's next, then leave. Low blood sugar doesn't cause you to get randomly violent, alcohol does. Your brother has an alcohol problem causing his behavior, not a diabetes problem. That's just his excuse to be an alcoholic.

    Jenny Mason
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You need to leave him, if not for your sake then for your kids. Why are you subjecting yourself to this abuse?

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think you have bigger issues than just your husband not grappling your psychotic brother away from you. I also would consider VERY CAREFULLY if it's really worth playing back any recording of your husband's angry ranting/yelling to him - it may enrage him and cause him to become violent or grab and break your phone. Ask me how I know. Your husband isn't going to change or suddenly gasp and say "OMG, I've been such a bad husband and father!" and have an epiphany if you play back a recording to him. I think you need to consider that you have FIVE children that you are subjecting to this abusive relationship. It's not just about you and him yelling at you. Your children (whichever ones still live with you; you mentioned your daughter has a fiancé) are being harmed by this relationship. Time to grow up and be a mom and realize it's not just about you and how you feel. You will not change him. You can't change him. I put 23 years into a relationship thinking I'd change my bf. I couldn't.

    Lantana Howell
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Get an attorney and file for divorce. Emotional abuse is still abuse!

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP did nothing wrong in recording hubs. I wish there had been cellphones back when I was married to my ex hubs so I could've recorded the s**t that he said he *didn't* say.

    notlikeyou1971
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The guy is trash. DO NOT put up with someone treating like this. I see no reason for you to continue to be a doormat for a man. This guy is an abusive controlling garbage monster. I grew up with a father like that only he was sober. He is never going to change his behavior and unless you want your kids to learn from dad's example or possibly be bullied by dad in the future you need to get out of there ASAP. I can tell you that a male child ( now adult) acts exactly like my dad did screaming at my mom all the time when he is angry. I was terrified of my father and trying to dodge his fury and this other male as well has become a mission of mine. Dad is no longer here but the other one I try to avoid his wrath. My father has caused long lasting trauma and PTSD along with many other events that happened to me in my life. People can't raise their voice above a certain level when angry or if any yelling at me happens I either have to yell back or have a panic attack. As someone with a seizure disorder and other disabilities it has caused me harm. Do not subject yourself or your kids to an AH like him,

    Somebodys grandmother
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To much alcohol. You are sourrunded by alcoholics - abusive ones. Get away. You need to break the pattern totally

    Rachel Hendricks
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are the only one who can decide what is best and safest for you and your children. Do you wish for your kids to repeat your own patterns, or his? My ex was an alcoholic abuser, and he escalated when drinking. I almost died because of him. Please get out, it's not safe, but you're already half way there. Bring a constable or other police officer with you to protect your safety, and prevent him from accusations of theft or vandalism, and get as much as you can of your possessions, especially birth certificates, photos, things that aren't easily replaced, then get counseling for yourself and your kids, there's a lot of healing needed, and you need to delve more deeply into any fears you have of alcohol abuse of your own.

    jace cosby
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Have you tried turning your husband off and on again? It seems he has a nasty virus that has corrupted the whole system... it may be easier to just junk the old model and upgrade to a new one.

    Sinners1978
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So deleted my original comment cause I realized something. Actually OP YTA for going back.to your alcoholic husband. 1st you need to leave him, get a divorce. Unless he gets help then 1 drunken night could end in tragedy. OP you need to protect your kids. Second you need to press charges against your brother for assault on you and your daughter. Also stay away from your brother. He is just as toxic as your husband. Lastly you need therapy and to quit drinking yourself. I went down a bad rabbit hole with alcohol durning my divorce and it almost ended badly. I luckily lived and no longer drink. So OP get out and leave those toxic people. Your kids could end up starting to resent you and cut you out of their lives. Hell if I was the 20 year old that had been assaulted by her uncle I would.

    person (i think)
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, growing up around your abusive brother helped set you up to accept an abuse husband. Your kids growing up around this will think abuse Is okay/normal and are statistically more likely to get into abusing relationships themselves or be abusers. For your and your kids’ safety and health, leave your husband.

    Grazina Strolia
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Proving to your husband that he's wrong is not going to change his emotional mindset. You will not make him a better person by proving him wrong. You will not make him a better person by letting him think he's right, either. There is a lot of emotional immaturity coursing through this story. If I had been with you, I would have called the police and EMS to help with your brother (also a person who has proven he is not an adult) and then LEFT. You need to surround yourself with people who are responsible for their actions. You may want to ask yourself if you are getting something out of being surrounded by all this drama--are you hanging on to prove you're right? Do you feel you owe it to your brother or your husband or kids to continue hanging around people who act this way? This is just a well of chaos. Get yourself somewhere adult, responsible, calm, and predictable. It's not about being right; it's about your life working for you.

    DC and S
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Another concern: you mention that you have made him change his behaviours a lot over the last 5 years, and then again that you got back together because you thought he had changed. OP, I say this with nothing but kindness and understanding, but you love the man you WANT him to be, not the man he IS. Unfortunately, you don't get to take the pieces you like and try to swap out the bits you don't. You either accept him AND the parts you don't like, or you decide the things you don't like are unacceptable to you and end it. And you already know that it's the latter. Do everyone involved a big favour and end this unhealthy relationship; no one is getting what they need here.

    tee-lena
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Separation and then therepy. F**k man. Treat yourself better

    Anna Drever
    Community Member
    3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a toxic relationship and everyone is drinking far too much. This concerns the heck out of me. Leave him and move on and maybe don’t drink so much.

    Sarah Ellison
    Community Member
    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are you financially dependent on this man? If you aren't, please leave. The relationship is very toxic, and see you two having repeated screaming matches isn't healthy for the children.

    Rider
    Community Member
    5 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I considered recording conversations with my now ex, but he would go on for hours,. I journaled asap afterwards before I would forget. I recommend reading Why Does He Do That (if you google the title and 'pdf' you can find it free). If you prefer podcast try Love and Above. These are some of the free resources I found when I was questioning my relationship.

    JK
    Community Member
    5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To quote EVERYONE ELSE - LEAVE! Jeez OP, you need some self respect, get yourself into therapy. No one deserves this life, and no one should tolerate it. When you have more peace without someone, then don't let them back. He brings nothing to the relationship, or to you. So instead of being scared to be alone, learn that sometimes it's better/safer. Good luck, but God leave this pr*ck yesterday

    Shirley McMahan
    Community Member
    5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Get out now. You are in danger and so are the kids and any pets. And you should quit drinking.

    Manny
    Community Member
    5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She's the AH for even asking if she's the AH. Leave this nut bag fast.

    JB
    Community Member
    5 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The first time my ex-husband got drunk, verbally abused me for a couple of hours, then demanded a divorce, we hadn’t even been married three months. I accepted the tearful apology next morning. Over the years, he progressed from verbal and some physical abuse (shoving me around) when drunk to not being drunk but still abusing me. Every disagreement no matter how trivial turned into a screaming session and “we should get divorced”. He knew I’d back away from something so significant over the fact I asked him nicely to put his dirty socks in the laundry basket not on a coffee table in the living room. It took me 12 years, 12 fücking years of escalating abuse until I finally realized, I didn’t love him any more, didn’t even like him, I’d be relieved if he died! What I’m trying to say is I understand how hard it is to let go. How many times you tell yourself it’ll be different this time. It won’t. Things will never get better; they may get much worse. Mine literally tried to kill me in drunk rage fits twice. Please, grab all your paperwork, your kids and LEAVE.

    Community Member
    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you and sorry u went through the same.. yes, this is excatly what happens: when He is drunk+ angry he says we should get a divorce because "obviosly im not happy"...

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    Lara Torres
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It doesn’t seem like recording him was effective the way you wanted it to be. He’s abusive, you can’t change that, proving he’s wrong won’t make him not abusive. Part of the cycle of abuse is temporary change and a honeymoon period, but it’s very rare that the change lasts. He’s not going to truly change. This is your life if you stay with him. This is your children’s lives.

    BrownEyedPanda
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My early years were spent watching my parents grow further and further apart, to the point where they slept in separate bedrooms. But I wasn't aware of how bad things had gotten until one fateful day. Do you have ANY idea what it does to a child to see their parents tearing at each other? It makes their whole world unstable. If you believe for one millisecond that your children are unaware of what's going on, you are sadly mistaken. You need to leave--NOW. Get the sheriff to assist you, if necessary, but GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE. Emotional and verbal abuse can escalate to physical abuse in a flash, and alcohol seems to be the spark that can ignite it. Do you want your kids to see Daddy hit (or end) Mommy? That would ALSO impact your children's mental stability. If you stay, it won't be long before they'll end up living with relatives or in a children's shelter, your husband with the police, and you with the medical examiner (voice of experience).

    Nick Scott
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She should leave him. That said, why does Panda discourage downvotes? I would upvote her leaving him, but Panda, are you a snowflake?

    Orysha
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why are you still married to such an alcoholic abusive prick? Get a divorce. You have a big husband problem and run when you still can. Rules are not bad for kids but his rules seem far too strict, in a few years he''ll wonder why all of his kids went NC with him.

    Snow_White
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jesus Christ. Leave this guy!!! And build up better boundaries quick.

    Weasel Wise
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Leave him and stop drinking. Do you not notice the theme of "we were drinking", "I was drinking", "he was drinking"?

    lenka
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh my goodness. So much to unpack here. Firstly, your husband is not a good person. He is an abusive alcoholic. Stop trying to change him. He wont change. Leave him. You need to have some very firm words with your brother about his alcohol use. If he cannot appropriately manage his insulin when he drinks, then neither you or your daughter/other children should be anywhere near him when he does.

    StretcherBearer
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is all one drunken mistake away from tragedy. The kids will be the ones harmed inevitably.

    Thanos'Fingers
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your brothers a POS too. Leave them both. Press charges for his assault on you and your daughter. Make sure hubs knows he's next, then leave. Low blood sugar doesn't cause you to get randomly violent, alcohol does. Your brother has an alcohol problem causing his behavior, not a diabetes problem. That's just his excuse to be an alcoholic.

    Jenny Mason
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You need to leave him, if not for your sake then for your kids. Why are you subjecting yourself to this abuse?

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think you have bigger issues than just your husband not grappling your psychotic brother away from you. I also would consider VERY CAREFULLY if it's really worth playing back any recording of your husband's angry ranting/yelling to him - it may enrage him and cause him to become violent or grab and break your phone. Ask me how I know. Your husband isn't going to change or suddenly gasp and say "OMG, I've been such a bad husband and father!" and have an epiphany if you play back a recording to him. I think you need to consider that you have FIVE children that you are subjecting to this abusive relationship. It's not just about you and him yelling at you. Your children (whichever ones still live with you; you mentioned your daughter has a fiancé) are being harmed by this relationship. Time to grow up and be a mom and realize it's not just about you and how you feel. You will not change him. You can't change him. I put 23 years into a relationship thinking I'd change my bf. I couldn't.

    Lantana Howell
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Get an attorney and file for divorce. Emotional abuse is still abuse!

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP did nothing wrong in recording hubs. I wish there had been cellphones back when I was married to my ex hubs so I could've recorded the s**t that he said he *didn't* say.

    notlikeyou1971
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The guy is trash. DO NOT put up with someone treating like this. I see no reason for you to continue to be a doormat for a man. This guy is an abusive controlling garbage monster. I grew up with a father like that only he was sober. He is never going to change his behavior and unless you want your kids to learn from dad's example or possibly be bullied by dad in the future you need to get out of there ASAP. I can tell you that a male child ( now adult) acts exactly like my dad did screaming at my mom all the time when he is angry. I was terrified of my father and trying to dodge his fury and this other male as well has become a mission of mine. Dad is no longer here but the other one I try to avoid his wrath. My father has caused long lasting trauma and PTSD along with many other events that happened to me in my life. People can't raise their voice above a certain level when angry or if any yelling at me happens I either have to yell back or have a panic attack. As someone with a seizure disorder and other disabilities it has caused me harm. Do not subject yourself or your kids to an AH like him,

    Somebodys grandmother
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To much alcohol. You are sourrunded by alcoholics - abusive ones. Get away. You need to break the pattern totally

    Rachel Hendricks
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are the only one who can decide what is best and safest for you and your children. Do you wish for your kids to repeat your own patterns, or his? My ex was an alcoholic abuser, and he escalated when drinking. I almost died because of him. Please get out, it's not safe, but you're already half way there. Bring a constable or other police officer with you to protect your safety, and prevent him from accusations of theft or vandalism, and get as much as you can of your possessions, especially birth certificates, photos, things that aren't easily replaced, then get counseling for yourself and your kids, there's a lot of healing needed, and you need to delve more deeply into any fears you have of alcohol abuse of your own.

    jace cosby
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Have you tried turning your husband off and on again? It seems he has a nasty virus that has corrupted the whole system... it may be easier to just junk the old model and upgrade to a new one.

    Sinners1978
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So deleted my original comment cause I realized something. Actually OP YTA for going back.to your alcoholic husband. 1st you need to leave him, get a divorce. Unless he gets help then 1 drunken night could end in tragedy. OP you need to protect your kids. Second you need to press charges against your brother for assault on you and your daughter. Also stay away from your brother. He is just as toxic as your husband. Lastly you need therapy and to quit drinking yourself. I went down a bad rabbit hole with alcohol durning my divorce and it almost ended badly. I luckily lived and no longer drink. So OP get out and leave those toxic people. Your kids could end up starting to resent you and cut you out of their lives. Hell if I was the 20 year old that had been assaulted by her uncle I would.

    person (i think)
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, growing up around your abusive brother helped set you up to accept an abuse husband. Your kids growing up around this will think abuse Is okay/normal and are statistically more likely to get into abusing relationships themselves or be abusers. For your and your kids’ safety and health, leave your husband.

    Grazina Strolia
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Proving to your husband that he's wrong is not going to change his emotional mindset. You will not make him a better person by proving him wrong. You will not make him a better person by letting him think he's right, either. There is a lot of emotional immaturity coursing through this story. If I had been with you, I would have called the police and EMS to help with your brother (also a person who has proven he is not an adult) and then LEFT. You need to surround yourself with people who are responsible for their actions. You may want to ask yourself if you are getting something out of being surrounded by all this drama--are you hanging on to prove you're right? Do you feel you owe it to your brother or your husband or kids to continue hanging around people who act this way? This is just a well of chaos. Get yourself somewhere adult, responsible, calm, and predictable. It's not about being right; it's about your life working for you.

    DC and S
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Another concern: you mention that you have made him change his behaviours a lot over the last 5 years, and then again that you got back together because you thought he had changed. OP, I say this with nothing but kindness and understanding, but you love the man you WANT him to be, not the man he IS. Unfortunately, you don't get to take the pieces you like and try to swap out the bits you don't. You either accept him AND the parts you don't like, or you decide the things you don't like are unacceptable to you and end it. And you already know that it's the latter. Do everyone involved a big favour and end this unhealthy relationship; no one is getting what they need here.

    tee-lena
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Separation and then therepy. F**k man. Treat yourself better

    Anna Drever
    Community Member
    3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a toxic relationship and everyone is drinking far too much. This concerns the heck out of me. Leave him and move on and maybe don’t drink so much.

    Sarah Ellison
    Community Member
    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are you financially dependent on this man? If you aren't, please leave. The relationship is very toxic, and see you two having repeated screaming matches isn't healthy for the children.

    Rider
    Community Member
    5 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I considered recording conversations with my now ex, but he would go on for hours,. I journaled asap afterwards before I would forget. I recommend reading Why Does He Do That (if you google the title and 'pdf' you can find it free). If you prefer podcast try Love and Above. These are some of the free resources I found when I was questioning my relationship.

    JK
    Community Member
    5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To quote EVERYONE ELSE - LEAVE! Jeez OP, you need some self respect, get yourself into therapy. No one deserves this life, and no one should tolerate it. When you have more peace without someone, then don't let them back. He brings nothing to the relationship, or to you. So instead of being scared to be alone, learn that sometimes it's better/safer. Good luck, but God leave this pr*ck yesterday

    Shirley McMahan
    Community Member
    5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Get out now. You are in danger and so are the kids and any pets. And you should quit drinking.

    Manny
    Community Member
    5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She's the AH for even asking if she's the AH. Leave this nut bag fast.

    JB
    Community Member
    5 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The first time my ex-husband got drunk, verbally abused me for a couple of hours, then demanded a divorce, we hadn’t even been married three months. I accepted the tearful apology next morning. Over the years, he progressed from verbal and some physical abuse (shoving me around) when drunk to not being drunk but still abusing me. Every disagreement no matter how trivial turned into a screaming session and “we should get divorced”. He knew I’d back away from something so significant over the fact I asked him nicely to put his dirty socks in the laundry basket not on a coffee table in the living room. It took me 12 years, 12 fücking years of escalating abuse until I finally realized, I didn’t love him any more, didn’t even like him, I’d be relieved if he died! What I’m trying to say is I understand how hard it is to let go. How many times you tell yourself it’ll be different this time. It won’t. Things will never get better; they may get much worse. Mine literally tried to kill me in drunk rage fits twice. Please, grab all your paperwork, your kids and LEAVE.

    Community Member
    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you and sorry u went through the same.. yes, this is excatly what happens: when He is drunk+ angry he says we should get a divorce because "obviosly im not happy"...

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    Lara Torres
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It doesn’t seem like recording him was effective the way you wanted it to be. He’s abusive, you can’t change that, proving he’s wrong won’t make him not abusive. Part of the cycle of abuse is temporary change and a honeymoon period, but it’s very rare that the change lasts. He’s not going to truly change. This is your life if you stay with him. This is your children’s lives.

    BrownEyedPanda
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My early years were spent watching my parents grow further and further apart, to the point where they slept in separate bedrooms. But I wasn't aware of how bad things had gotten until one fateful day. Do you have ANY idea what it does to a child to see their parents tearing at each other? It makes their whole world unstable. If you believe for one millisecond that your children are unaware of what's going on, you are sadly mistaken. You need to leave--NOW. Get the sheriff to assist you, if necessary, but GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE. Emotional and verbal abuse can escalate to physical abuse in a flash, and alcohol seems to be the spark that can ignite it. Do you want your kids to see Daddy hit (or end) Mommy? That would ALSO impact your children's mental stability. If you stay, it won't be long before they'll end up living with relatives or in a children's shelter, your husband with the police, and you with the medical examiner (voice of experience).

    Nick Scott
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She should leave him. That said, why does Panda discourage downvotes? I would upvote her leaving him, but Panda, are you a snowflake?

    Orysha
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why are you still married to such an alcoholic abusive prick? Get a divorce. You have a big husband problem and run when you still can. Rules are not bad for kids but his rules seem far too strict, in a few years he''ll wonder why all of his kids went NC with him.

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