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Makeup Artist Charges Woman $500 Instead Of $150 After Finding Out She’s A Bride, Asks If They’re A Jerk
For many soon-to-be brides, their wedding day is one of the happiest events in their lives. No doubt they wish to look their best while walking down the aisle, so they have a pretty clear vision of their dress, hair, and makeup. But nuptial planning is also notorious for an onslaught of expensive decisions that can make their dream wedding feel financially out of reach. That’s why many frugal ladies set their priorities straight and allocate their budget wisely.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t sit well with some professionals who earn a good income by giving them the looks they want. Like this makeup artist who goes by the handle Affectionate_Lie0 on Reddit. They reached out to the ‘Am I The [Jerk]?’ community to ask for perspective about a recent encounter with a client.
A few weeks ago, one woman booked a regular makeup look that cost $150 while hiding the fact that it was for her big day. While she did not ask for any special treatment, the woman was surprised to see the user’s reaction. See, the artist discovered the customer’s secret but instead of having a conversation about it before going any further, they decided to take a different approach. Read on to find out how the whole ordeal unfolded, and be sure to weigh in on the situation in the comments!
Recently, this makeup artist charged a woman three times the agreed price after discovering she was a bride
Image credits: Magda Ehlers (not the actual photo)
Wondering if they went too far, the user asked people online to evaluate the situation
Image credits: Elina Sazonova (not the actual photo)
User Affectionate_Lie0’s story drew heaps of attention from the AITA community. While some people deemed the bride was in the wrong in this situation, others were divided and believed that everyone was at fault here. However, the vast majority of Redditors determined the makeup artist was being totally unethical for staying silent during the appointment and criticized them for trying to rip off the bride.
To get to the bottom of this whole situation, we reached out to Georgie Lowen, a professional makeup artist based in the UK, who was kind enough to share her thoughts on the matter. She told Bored Panda that from her experience, brides are usually crystal clear about the fact they are getting their makeup done for their big day.
“Clients tend to disclose what the event is in advance of the booking,” she said. “And majority of the time, brides want to book in for the bridal service because the level of artistry is higher as it tends to be photographed professionally and we would want the bride to look her absolute best.”
But sometimes, women are hesitant to disclose the real occasion since the expense of professional beautification can take them by surprise. “Some clients may not be able to afford the full bridal price, hence why they might not disclose that it is for their wedding,” Lowen explained. “Which is totally understandable as everyone’s budget is different. As long as the client is happy with the results and what they are paying for, then that’s the main thing.”
Later on, the artist clarified the difference between bridal and regular makeup in the comments
Image credits: Affectionate_Lie0
When asked about the reasons why bridal makeup is much more expensive than standard ones, the makeup artist mentioned a whole list of different motivations. As it turns out, there’s a lot more that goes into creating a flawless makeup look than meets the eye. “The time allocated for bridal makeup can be double or triple the length of time that a normal makeup service lasts. Some makeup artists have had advanced training for bridal, so the cost of their time may increase.”
“Artists tend to use more expensive, luxury brands JUST for bridal clients as these may perform and photograph better for the big day,” she continued. Moreover, the service may include free bridal trials, a glass of champagne to get into the mood for the occasion, and travel costs to the location. It can even include touch-ups throughout the photoshoot and during the wedding day. “If this is the case, then artists tend to book the bride into one solid day rather than a one-time slot, so the time used needs to be covered and paid for by the bride.”
Speaking of this specific incident, there were many communication errors between the two parties that put a damper on the bride’s wedding day and left the author of this story displeased with how they were treated. However, even though the woman lied to the makeup artist about the event, she did not ask for bridal treatment or other special services. According to Lowen, it’s crucial to have a discussion between the client and the artist before the application to understand the goal of the look and the customer’s expectations and budget to achieve it.
“If they both agreed to this and the artist completed the service and fulfilled the brief to the client’s level of satisfaction, then I personally would have been happy to leave it at that. However, if the client didn’t disclose that it was for bridal makeup, then I can understand the frustration from the artist’s point of view as I would have wanted to spend more time with the client.” Still, the professional stressed that naturally, “the cost might be negotiated but ONLY before the application. Not after.”
“Clients do not have to disclose what the makeup is for, that is personal information that they do not share. However, being open and honest can make the experience even better. Every artist has their own level of skills and prices, so the line of communication needs to be clear and understood from the get-go,” Lowen concluded.
This story caused quite a stir in the AITA community, with a few people siding with the artist and deeming the bride to be the jerk
A few others were on the fence, saying that both of them were in the wrong
But in the end, the artist faced huge backlash from thousands of Redditors who accused them of unethically ripping off the client
What do you think ?
Bisces 2 years ago
Yeah, makeup artist 100% AH. She asked for a simple party look, less expensive, same makeup tools. You found out she was a bride and trried to charge her more despite her WANTING a sinple party look. You tried to get more money out of her just because of who she was. Smh🙄
Nikki Sevven 2 years ago
Tried to FORCE her to pay more by giving her a service she didn't ask for. And in what universe does setting spray cost $350?
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Evil Little Thing 2 years ago
Makeup artist is the AH. Bride wanted party makeup, not the upcharged version. Imagine buying an economy seat on a flight, but when you arrive being told you owe the difference for first class before they will let you disembark.
Tina Hugh 2 years ago
Don’t give the airlines ideas. They’d love to do that
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Kusotare 2 years ago
YTA. You made a contract. You attempted to breach the contract. Although the bride didn't tell you the whole truth, she didn't lie to you. And IMO, you're gouging brides because it's for their "Special Day" (but for perspective, I'm biased against the beast that the bridal industry has become).
Impetus 2 years ago
Can I just say how happy I am that I didn't have a driving need for my wedding to be 100% perfect? I did my own makeup. A relative did my hair. I wish I'd paid for a real photographer but other than that I'm happy with how it turned out. And most importantly, it's been almost 20 years and we're still happy together, which should be the point.
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Casey McAlister 2 years ago
OP is an a*****e. Without getting into your price policy and asking you why the same makeup costs 350$ more depending on the customer's status. there is a thing: you have two separate services in your price list. Your customer requested a specific service - a party makeup. Strictly speaking, it's none of your business if she's a bride or not. She should've received the service she specifically requested and be charged accordingly. Also, as a customer, overpaying 300 bucks for a fixing spray is a total rip-off.
LH25 2 years ago
That's what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words. It's about asking for a specific service, not about where she is going afterwards.
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GirlFriday 2 years ago
When my niece was planning her wedding, she called an artist about makeup for her and her alone. She went in to the shop and met with her and there was a price list on the wall. It listed make up as $100 and wedding makeup as $300. My niece asked her about the price difference, was it traveling to the venue, did it include bridesmaids, were special products used? The artist said that she charges more for weddings because she can. She wasn't hired for the wedding.
KK Thomas 2 years ago
Good for your niece. When I got married I booked for makeup application at the MAC store at the local mall. When the makeup artist asked me what was the special occasion, I told her my wedding and she charged me the prearranged fee when I made the initial appointment.
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Michael Largey 2 years ago
The OP's business practices are perilously close to "bait and switch" fraud. She quotes one price then tries to force a higher one. If a couple rents a Toyota to get to the church to get married, does the rental agency have the right to charge them for a stretch limousine because it's a wedding?
Christina 2 years ago
Charge for the stretch and yet provide a Toyota that's merely had different wax applied.
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Craig Silberman 2 years ago
if the makeup "artist" does the same amount of work for party makeup as she does bridal makeup, then there's no logical reason to charge more for the latter
Roxanne D'souza 2 years ago
I mean it's clear that the make up artist offers the exact same service at 3 different prices. All three services are considered "party looks." The extra costs just because it's a wedding is absurd. Usually, wedding makeup that is pricier than party makeup is only because there's a couple of trial makeup tests involved and some additional services, for which the bigger fee makes sense.
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RedBadgerCan'tSwim 2 years ago
Why does everyone think it's ok to charge more for the same product just because it's for a wedding? I've seen posts about people ordering birthday cakes instead of wedding cakes because it's half the price for the same cake.
Jenn C 2 years ago
My brother had a "garden party" and saved a lot of money on his wedding.
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Sydney-Kate 2 years ago
This feels like the artist was almost taking advantage of the poor bride who just wanted to save so,e money and look pretty on her wedding day
LH25 2 years ago
Sounds like the makeup artist wouldn't have known she was the bride if no one had said so. She didn't ask for anything different than the usual party make-up, so shouldn't have to pay the upcharge. Using the different setting spray don't sound like it was her idea. I could see looking at that price list and not wanting to pay more for the bridal make and asking for the party version.
kath morgan 2 years ago (edited)
So the makeup artist broke her agreement AND told on herself by showing us she doesn’t actually do anything different to consider it a bridal service, and is just price gouging. Got it.
EmiEm 2 years ago (edited)
Changing the price after it's been agreed upon is also breach of contract (even if it was only verbal, a verbal agreement is still a contract). The client would be under no legal obligation to pay the new price. And, there's absolutely no way that the makeup artist could collect on her "bridal price" from her just because she discovered she was a bride. It wouldn't be worth taking to court (lawyers and filling fees would cost more than $350), but if she did the judge would laugh her out of the court room.
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De Nilla 2 years ago
OP is TA. They agreed on a specific look/price for the makeup. The artist took it upon herself to change the product because she found out it was a bride/wedding without discussing the chance with the client. She's a POS con artist. The bride isn't required to wear bride makeup, and can choose whatever look she wants. It's not the artists place to make an executive decision about this other woman's wedding day look. The bride didn't lie, she is under NO OBLIGATION to disclose what event she'll be attending She intentionally caused drama on the wedding day and then turned to the Internet for justification.
Elizabeth Rose 2 years ago
yeah it pissed me off too girl! If I was ever to get married again, I'd really rather do my own makeup & just buy an expensive setting spray or treat myself to a couple of high end products I wouldn't normally go for so I could enjoy them on my honeymoon as well. This was such a d*ck move!! Imagine you acted so egregiously that hundreds of women won't even consider hiring a MUA! You messed up OP. You messed up bad!😆🤣
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Jennifer F 2 years ago
Makeup artist is the a*****e. Makeup is makeup. The amount you use doesn't change based on the occasion. Signed, a previous MA. You quoted a price, you need to charge it or she should report you for advertising fraud to the attorney general. Period.
Dani Tifi 2 years ago
She didn't ask for bridal she asked for party, so keep your "expensive," setting sprays to yourself and do as asked by the customer.
Mine Truly 2 years ago
YTA. Even if the cost of the finishing spray WERE justified, you should have stopped when the bride said she was the bride and told her you could change the spray to wedding spray for $350 and ask if she wants that or the cheap party spray. Keeping your mouth shut until AFTER applying the expensive spray was dishonest, and you're delusional to be thinking otherwise. Also, my guess is that the bride assumed simple party makeup is lower quality/faster/less expensive than wedding makeup. She was willing to have plainer makeup to save money. Finally, yes you have a right to set your own prices, but yes it makes you and every other business the a*****e to upcharge the EXACT SAME SERVICE (or a very trivial improvement) when it's for a wedding. Just because it's your right to do it doesn't mean you're NTA when you do it.
Devin Stone 2 years ago
I got a bit scared that everyone was on the artist's side lol. Huge AH. I think most hair salons and makeup salons are price gouging already. This just proved I'm right. Never buy product from those places! You'll find it for less than half on Amazon, which is where they bought it from most of the time lol.
Brandie Litchfield 2 years ago
Of course nobody is going to pay $350 extra!!! I hope OP gets reported to the professional licensing board. She is a scam artist first, makeup artist second. She should get negative reviews on every platform possible, including BBB and the attorney general. This is fraud, plain and simple.
MJ 2 years ago (edited)
I usually agree the OP is not the AH but this takes the wedding cake! Why would you charge more for the same services. If she did the bridesmaids makeup also I could understand. Wow! In the words of Jerry Springer, you are the a*****e!
syamsul setapa 2 years ago
None. What i see, client choose the package that she feel right for her.
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zovjraar me 2 years ago
if the MUA decided, on their own, to do a different make up look for the person once they heard she was the bride, MUA is the AH. If they had said, hey you're the bride? do you want a bridal look? it will be $X and here's the difference in the products/techniques- that would have been fine. but some brides don't want a bunch of special stuff- bride probably would have been just fine getting what she expected to pay for. you don't get to decide what people "really" want.
Brandon Marlowe 2 years ago (edited)
OP is the AH. The customer chose a service from the menu and received THAT service. Price should not change because OP overheard a conversation about the wedding. I do, however, understand an upcharge for additional services such as attending and retouching as needed, etc. A friend of mine owned a florist shop and she said weddings are SO stressful she charged a lot more than for funerals, dinners, etc. because she actually wanted to discourage wedding business. She said it wasn't worth the hassle.
Tams21 2 years ago
This is normal in the wedding industry, it was just more obvious in this case than others (think about extortionate prices of wedding cakes). But that doesn't absolve the OP of blame, it just makes her a willing part of an industry that shamelessly scams people. And if the type of event wasn't stipulated in the contract, I imagine she's legally in the wrong too.
Noel Dupreetz 2 years ago
If $150.00 was agreed upon then the artist is at fault for adding the extra fees without giving a fair advanced warning. At no time did she say she had changed the materials.
Sergio Bicerra 2 years ago
She used the same kind of makeup, so there's no need to charge more.
Stephan Henkel 2 years ago
Imagine going to a restaurant with your friends, ordering a nice 15,-€ steak and the waiter overhears, that you're about to marry. So he decides on his own to add a little balsamic and some tomatoes to your salad and charges you 50,-€ for it.
Marilyn Russell 2 years ago
Wow - crazy. Who would pay $500 for a makeup application anyway? But still they had an agreement for the party makeup at the lower price and you can’t go making a scene like a nut.
Amy Taylor 2 years ago
You'd be surprised. People have their own glam squads now and pay a lot of money for makeup and hair.
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amy roukema 2 years ago (edited)
I am a nail tech and have done many wedding nails. I charge the same exact price as I do with my everyday clients, because guess what?! I'm doing the same thing with the same amount of product. The same amount of time and the same amount of expertise. It is ubsurd to charge more just because it is for a wedding.
BusyLizzy 2 years ago
The wedding industry is insane. Its well known that as soon as you mention the word wedding, prices for anything double or triple, for no other reason than greed. I have a friend who saved a LOT of money on her venue, cake, catering, decorations, entertainment etc simply by planning a "birthday" instead, and I would encourage anyone to do that. If you're going to play silly games with your pricing you shouldn't expect people to play by your rules. Oh, and I'm an ex wedding coordinator.
Rob Hansen 2 years ago
It is a two way street though, those places charge more because they know that they can and people will pay it for the same reason.. Because it's their wedding. I'm not saying it's ethical but it makes perfect sense.
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Cari James 2 years ago
100% the AH. If you ordered let’s say a bunch of chicken from a fast food restaurant and it was for your families dinner and then you like it so much that when you’re having a family reunion you go back and order the same thing and this time they say because it’s a family reunion we’re going to charge you extra. Not just extra but a few hundred extra would that make you mad? Unless you are using completely different products that cost more and you were putting in more time then there is no justifying that large jump in the price. And I guarantee you that’s why she lied because she knew that was a scamunless you are using completely different products that cost more and you were putting in more time then there is no justifying that large jump in the price. And I guarantee that’s why she lied because she knew that was a scam. I get you’ve been doing it for nine years and you have a specific skill set but that does not justify ripping brides off on their wedding
Shannon Bryant 2 years ago (edited)
Exactly. And, not only changing the price for the family reunion, but waiting until AFTER the family finished eating & were on their way out, then being accosted as she declares that she saw you eating it with your relatives & therefore, owed her $400 instead of the initial $100. Ridiculous.
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Marty Graw 2 years ago
3 words. Bait and switch.its also called fraud or in this case thankfully attempted fraud. Op didn't deserve a dime after she blatantly tried to breach the contract.
Trond Øien 2 years ago (edited)
If there is no big difference in the job done or the products used I would definitely side with the bride here. The problem seems to be the make-up artists pricing policy and that she raised the price after the fact without making the bride in question aware of the coming price hike. The same goes for cake vendors and others who raise their prices based on the occasion and not the actual difference in work involved. I think most reasonable people would agree.
Sylvia DuBois 2 years ago
YTA because she ordered party make up and you did a bridal make up. You should have told the difference in price and product used the minute you knew this was a wedding. You could have explained the difference and let her choose if she wanted to upgrade. If she wanted a budget make up job that might not stand out in pictures, that's her deal.
Bob Cakin 2 years ago (edited)
Yeah... the makeup artist is totally a scammer on this one. She probably saw the price for bridal makeup and ACTIVELY opted to go for the party make-up instead to get the supposedly worse but more affordable option (I doubt they were actually trying to hide the fact she was a bride and instead just thought they were going for the cheaper/worse service which is why someone "let it slip"). This is because usually when a service has a DIFFERENT price... that means the service is performed DIFFERENTLY. The MUA choosing to tell her they were charging her for bridal make-up which cost more even though the bride asked for party makeup just was them flat out admitting to everyone there that they upcharge brides because they know they can exploit their emotions and that's all! They don't do anything extra. They don't use better materials. The only reason they are charging more is because they've learned that brides will traditionally pay more right off the bat to get what they THINK is a better service than usual. This is exploitative capitalism at its worst people!
Matt Kuntz 2 years ago
Not only are YTA, but any of these commentary that think otherwise are AH's as well! If I go to McDonalds and ask for cheeseburger, but they see I'm a fat guy, so they give me a Big Mac and Fries, they don't get to charge me more! Even if they did give me more than I asked for! 2nd, all I asked for was a cheeseburger, who the hell are you to decide what I want or am going to get! As a service provider, all you are legally allowed to do is create the menu, so to say, you don't get to make the decisions for the customer! If they want a $150 job, on their Wedding day, that is their choice, see the problem with the MA line of thinking is, you still have to get the customer to AGREE to PAY you, and give you the money! Because until you get paid, you don't have any money at all for your more expensive service, that YOU decided the BRIDE was going to get! Are you told what makeup you get when you go to buy makeup? Not only are YTA, but a dumb A at that! In customer service, you work for the
Mary Wegscheider 2 years ago
Wedding up prices are ridiculous. If I paid $500 for makeup I better look like Angelina Jolie. You can’t put $500 worth of product on a face. They do the same with flowers. My bouquets was 12 long stem roses in April. I was charged $250! So sad they feel the need to overcharge.
Holly King 2 years ago
I’m so glad that all of the comments agree that the MUA is an a**hole! I was worried there when I saw some people agreeing with her on the Reddit post. She probably had some of her friends post for her or she made other accounts and posted herself to make it seem like she had people on her side 🤣😭 because anyone who thinks that the MUA is in the right here has gotta be delusional.
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Amanda Kai 2 years ago
If you're going to charge different prices for different makeup packages, you need to specify what is included in each package, including delineating what extras come with the bridesmaid and bridal packages. You cannot charge more simply because someone is a bridesmaid or a bride. That is price gouging and it is wrong. If a bridesmaid or bride wants a more simple package that costs less, than that is their choice. I personally would change the labels for all your packages and call them something else like silver, gold, and platinum packages, or basic, deluxe, and premium, or something like that.
Caleb R 2 years ago
Totally the AH, though to be perfectly honest, make-up prices are a scam in general, since pigments are generally pretty cheap, especially if they're synthetic pigments (natural pigments are a different matter). My mechanic doesn't charge me more per hour than he does for my wife's car just because it's an Infiniti and she has a Nissan, it's just a standard rate.
Krystal Lloyd 2 years ago
Makeup artist is the ah. If customer asked for regular party makeup, give it to them. Bride didn't ask for special treatment. I definitely would not like that person in RL what an arrogant person thinking they can price gouge after the fact.
Jitka Polakova 2 years ago
Yta. You should give her party make-up you usually do and leave. You agreed the price, she ordered a simple make-up.
Francesca Pesca 2 years ago
I got married a few years ago and me and my husband decided to get married with a very low budget. Every time I had to talk with suppliers I always mentioned it was for a party.. I never asked anything extra, just the exact same things you would need for any king of garden party. Of course I was completely honest with friends I have hired for the event or every other supplier who needed to know what kind of party it was to make the right design. I am organizing a party and I have every right to don't mention what kind of party it is, if that doesn't effects in any way the amount and quality of your work. Some people really care about the wedding and they want everything to be perfect, others just want to have fun without spending a fortune and have the right to do that too
Jitka Polakova 2 years ago
I ordered "party cake" for my wedding. It was 20% less than the same wedding cake - I got their pricelist afterwards. This wedding tax annoys me.
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Bryan Daly 2 years ago
I bet the bride didn't even lie. I bet she thought there was levels to this person's ridiculous pricing points and just wanted the basic party makeup. And then to use the more expensive setting spray and not disclose that information? Hope this artist's company gets major backlash from this crazy stunt
Amber P. 2 years ago (edited)
I can't believe there's anyone saying the bride is in the wrong. She didn't lie. She probably looked at the prices and was like, "well c**p, the bridal makeup is way too expensive so party makeup it is." Like any normal person, she probably assumed they were two different looks. Not just about where she was going afterwards. Who would think that? That's beyond messed up. Makeup artist is the AH and a scam artist.
Impetus 2 years ago
This is one of the few AITA posts that I'm totally sure is legit, because if you make up a story you'd at least try to make the AH more sympathetic. So 1- $350 upcharge just because it's a wedding when everything else is the same? Not okay. But you set your prices, so let's move on to 2. You didn't say anything until after you were done, and *then* said it would be almost 3 times as much as the price agreed upon at booking because if you've already done it you figure she can't argue anymore. Just so much no.
William Catlin 2 years ago
I'll sell you this car. If you only use it to go to work, it costs $15k. If you use it for leisure, it costs $35k.
Becky Sue Anderson 2 years ago
Yta. You had an agreement with the client BEFORE you did her makeup. She doesn't need to disclose to you what occasion she is wanting her makeup done for. Would you charge her different if she was getting it done before she attended a funeral or a bris, some photo shoot or a backyard BBQ? I hope you rethink your business tactics and maybe try not to be so damn greedy. Jeeze
Sandra Henry 2 years ago
She asked for a party look, give her a party look and charge her for that. If she was trying to deceive you, she would not have brought you to her house. You blew it..you could have done some business there, instead you just lost business
Valerie Quevedo 2 years ago (edited)
I am sick and tired of greedy vendors doubling and tripling their prices as soon as they hear the “W” word. I am ALL FOR telling floral vendors it’s for a family reunion and telling cake vendors it’s for a birthday. Stop forcing couples to start off their marriage in massive debt just because you think you can get away with charging an arm and a leg. Shame on ALL of you. And this is coming from a photographer who has done plenty of weddings.
MidnightProphecy 2 years ago
The only different between prices was a setting spray. You absolute massive AH.
Reyn-Guo 2 years ago
Can someone explain to me how the same EXACT service can justify a higher price based on the occasion? That makes no sense and just sounds like selective extortion. I'm a retired ASE Master Automotive Technician with over 30 years of experience and my hourly labor rate was the same regardless of whether you drove a VW Bug or Bentley.
Rawbin Luxenburg 2 years ago
If you order a birthday cake at a bakery, it’s one price. If you order a wedding cake at the same bakery, it will cost 3 times as much or more. You can use the birthday cake at a wedding, it just won’t be as beautifully detailed. However, if you order a birthday cake, the bakery cannot dictate what you use it for OR triple the price just because you changed the name of the party. If the makeup artist agreed to do the cheaper party makeup job on the woman, she should do only that and nothing more. She should charge that price and nothing more. To silently change the job and the price was unprofessional. The bride only wanted a cheap makeup job. Maybe that’s all she could afford. Maybe she never wears makeup and any makeup was better than none, so the party makeup job was more than enough for her special day. Instead the bride is left to remember a horrible scene on the morning of her wedding. Bad word of mouth could really ruin a small business. Karma might take care of TA.
astrolover 95 2 years ago
So many people kept saying that the bride was a liar so OP was justified. How did she lie exactly? It's not like she specifically told OP that it was just a normal party and not a wedding, she just asked to be given the normal party treatment. Besides, even if the bride did straight up lie, OP could never be justified in making the decision in place of the bride to give them a more expensive treatment then charging them for that despite the bride asking for the cheaper treatment. It would be like a restaurant finding out it's my birthday, bringing me a desert I didn't ask for, then trying to charge me for the desert. Then you have the problem that OP said the only difference between bridal and party was a setting spray. There is no way that 1 product difference could justify a price difference of $350.
mind yours 2 years ago
tbh even if she did outright say "I'm not a bride" to start with, I'm still on her side. it's not the make up artists's business what she's doing with her day, she is providing a service and getting paid for that service, no one is required to be scrupulously honest with a stranger.
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Emerald Gal28 2 years ago
She wanted a party make up look not a bridal make up look so be professional and take it as it is.charge her as promised. There's one time a girl came up to me and told me it is for prom teadance so I did a light make up for her then I found out it was for a competition oh hell...I went up a few notch and made sure the make up is suitable for the lights during her competition,charged at THE SAME AMOUNT AS PROMISED. she is grateful cos I didn't charge extra,her mom gave me the full amount the next week when she found out from tea dance and beauty competition make up proce difference was 170. I didn't make a fuss cos obviously she didn't have that money.Guess what...I gained more customers after that and yes they were frank with me about being on a budget etc but they gave me more money to repay when they have it. You are indeed the A*****E.
Jonathan Cronise 2 years ago
Yeah YTA. There's a reason I searched for a generic ring rather than an engagement ring to propose. If I got the same ring I had ordered, and they charged me triple because they found out it was for an engagement, I would sue for false advertising.
Dina Anastasakos 2 years ago
OP is the AH! The wedding industry is such a sham and use weddings as an excuse to gouge people. When l got married l asked a florist about a bouquet...because l said wedding, she quoted me $300! So l went to an upscale grocery store and got an amazing onw for $40! This make up artist is just another wedding scammer.
James Thomas 2 years ago
Makeup artist....come on down...your the next contestant on Your The Ahole
Ken 2 years ago
Talk about the sense of entitlement. 100% AH!!!! Probably the same person who complains about corporate "greed." This is like going to buy a greeting card and finding out the wedding cards are 3 times more expensive than the special occasion cards, so you buy the special occasion card, but the cashier finds out it's for a wedding and demands you pay the difference. Even better, you find out that you can buy the same wedding gift for a third of the price, but don't get all the frills (none) of using a wedding registry, but the store says we heard that was actually a wedding gift so we've charged your card the difference. You don't get to dictate what products/services a person chooses to purchase simply based on what you think you deserve.
Leah 2 years ago
Definitely AH! Instead of being a responsible adult and clarifying things you decided to be petty and upcharge her once you realized she was a bride. All you had to do was ask if she was a bride and then layout the differences between what you offer and the prices. Instead you just decided to go ahead with the pricier version which was outside of your original agreement. It sounds more like you offer a basic, premium, or deluxe package and she chose the basic package. You're like a cable company. You say one price and then charge way more after the agreement has been made.
James Morrison 2 years ago
To make a comparison, that's like if I was buying a present for some one, let's say an Xbox. I don't tell them it's a present and it costs $300 however when I go to buy wrapping paper they charge me an extra $600, saying they didn't know it was a present. If the bride is paying for you party make up service, and that is what your providing for her and agreed to provide her before hand. It doesn't matter if she is a bride, she is paying for your party make up service, unless they are literally the same and you just name them differently to rip patrons off the bride was 100% in the right.
Xandyr Wlkyr 2 years ago
I have no idea where the OP or those saying she is NTA are coming from. It's unethical to base a difference in prices for basically the same good or service simply on the intended use of the product, unless there are additional testing, regulatory, tax or liability costs involved that are legally imposed somehow. All that should figure into the price are the economics of the materials, labor and overhead.
Raimei Ai 2 years ago
She asked for party make-up, I assume, knowing that it wasn't the same quality as the bridal! Artist never confirmed that SHE was the bride and just assumed. Never tried to talk to the woman about the price changes and quality changes, just went ahead and did as she pleased. Then after all that she decides that she must be paid more. Wtf??? They made no effort on their part and just did whatever they wanted. What if the bride didn't want the bridal treatment due to the products that are used. Some people look into this stuff before hand due to allergies. (I know I do!!!!) You can't decide something without talking it over first! If you felt cheated then you should have said something before-hand rather than just surprise them with additional charges! This pisses me right the f off!!! As an artist myself, I ask every detail someone wants before even deciding on a price, and I get that a drawing is different but some of them can take days for me to do. (Also I'm a terrible haggler...)
Will I Will-Ham 2 years ago
Yeah the op is dev 100% the ah(arschloch) here. People like u are the reason most civiliced countrys have consumer protection. I quess you are from the usa? Charging extra without informing the customer would be fraud and charging extra without delivering extra service too.
Eliza 2 years ago
People say the OP is a con artist but I have to disagree as I think that is too nice of a title as this act is nothing more than discrimination in my eyes. In what other scenario would this even slightly be as contested if someone were to say "oh you are part of group x, good that means you owe me more for the simple reason that you are in group x" the fact that any people think this is OK in any scenario is disappointing. The fact that this is the state of the wedding industry is disgusting.
Microwave Chef 2 years ago
YTA OP, bride asked for a simple look, she didn't specify any extra makeup or something different than you do for the bridal party. If you're going to charge more for the bride, ask if client is a bride first. Idk much about makeup, but prices seem like a large amount without much of a difference in the products used. Since you found out she was the bride, you should have used the setting spray you use for the bridal party. Maybe change the names of the makeups. Like bridal party, special occasion and My day or something. Then use something better with each price increase. Yeah, she pulled one over on you, learn from the lesson and let it go. Word of mouth travels at the speed of an Instagram post.
Jackie Lulu 2 years ago
YTA. You made a contract. It's pretty cheesy to change the price part way thru the process. Next time you'll know better.
April Goetz 2 years ago
So the bride picked a package she could afford and the make up artist got pissed that she could only afford that and proceeded to try and rip her off and treat her like that? I hope she never gets another customer in her shop again she’s a pathetic excuse for a human.
Brian Clark 2 years ago
If I go to a restaurant and order an 8oz T-Bone steak and the waiter brings me a 24oz porterhouse because he sees I'm a fat dude, I'm not paying extra for that f*****g steak, because it's NOT what I asked for!
Robyn Jones 2 years ago
In pretty much any line of work it's generally considered to be scamming behavior to upcharge clients if the price was already agreed upon prior to the services being rendered. I get that it turned out she was a bride but OP admits that the client did not demand any preferential treatment and only wanted the normal party make up. This is basic price gouging behavior, IMO.
Shea Keenan 2 years ago
Wait, is the makeup artist admitting she doesn't do anything different for brides and bridal parties than she does for regular parties except charge more?! Oh, she's definitely a price gouging a*****e. I hope this gets plastered all over Yelp and other reviews.
Matt Mosher 2 years ago
Noticed the make-up artist went back and amended her story and said she mixed some special hair spray once she found out it was a bride. What really happened is she realized she was the AH from her own friends who called her out for charging more while using the same product so she changed her story and lied. What she did was slimy to begin with but to lie and change her explanation after the fact only confirms how dishonest she is.
Tiffany Edmonds 2 years ago
DEFINITELY the AH. Bride could simply be one of those people that doesn't like a lot of makeup and wanted a "simple" look regardless if she was getting married or not. It adds insult to injury that the MUA wasn't going to be onhand for any of the said touch ups or anything like that. She gets four thumbs down
Jjay Scoggins 2 years ago
Surprised, usually Op isn't the AH from what I've seen but this is actually malicious of them. They got party makeup quality, and asked for no better than party makeup quality. Regardless of the event it's for. Op is an AH and a con artist. Even further, if OP had in any way used more expensive material, or gone the extra length- the bride didn't ask for that, because clearly the brides in a budget. Genuinely foul to do something nice and then change the agreed terms after. But they didn't even do that, they wanted the money of bridal quality without delivering near that. Ugh
Larissa Sanders 2 years ago
The makeup artist is a greedy, scamming, rip-off of an AH! The client doesn't need to disclose why she's getting a service- that's HER business!!! She's just asking for your service and you agreed to it and gave her that service at an agreed upon price! You using your fancy little spray was a petty last-ditch effort to drum up how you would justify charging her more, when she didn't even ask for that! You saw an opportunity to be a Sheister and jumped on it! Who do you think you are to break an agreement with your client?! Shameful!
Tyler Hopwood 2 years ago
So, I 100% agree the makeup "artist" is a damn crook! Trying to take advantage of brides. If woman doesn't ask for anything extra, or special treatment, what does it matter where she is going with her "face"? That being said.... the only way I could possibly see the point of a similar situation with a much more reputable "known" makeup artist is in the following situation....bride secretly gets party makeup for her wedding from an artist, who is known for wedding makeup, then goes to wedding, guests say oh so beautiful... who did yer hair, makeup, etc.... "name drop here"... if I were the artist, at that point, I'd be really pissed. I personally would not want my name associated with that situation. If yer dropping my name at a wedding, where I perform my best work, with best products, etc, then no, I do not want my name associated with sub par work!!! Not at all. Word of mouth is how tons of ppl get business, and now my less than best party work is on display, as "Bridal Makeup!"
Rob Hansen 2 years ago
First of all: Where is the contract? No matter how small the job you (not should) MUST have a contract, for exactly this reason. A contract would state the parameters for each level of service clearly and definitively as well as the reasons. ie the fact that your company is being represented in those wedding photos and you will not allow the $150 service for those types of events, because (and this part I completely understand) when the bride posts those photos and tags your company, it's going to be your reputation that gets hurt because it's not your best work on display. If you don't have a contract.. then you have no case and you just screwed yourself over. Not having a contract tells me that you are not a professional; the fact that you didn't stop the session and make all of this clear when you made the realization, did work that was not asked of you and then tried to upcharge.. tells me that you are incredibly unprofessional. I would have told you to kick rocks as well.
Chris Sprucefield 2 years ago
I have done many a wedding shoots, and always had pre-set price for things. I did not care if they wanted some little extra or few extra pics taken, or going where else nearby for some special shot opportunity, as they paid for my time. Only if there were new requirements that would require extra costs on my part, would there be additional charges, but i would let them know this, and as they were very reasonable (extra mileage, additional kit use or required post-process time etc), nobody objected, as I was upfront and gave them the choice, and prices of such extras having already been provided beforehand with the quote and price list, so they would know already, no surprises. No con artistry like this "makeitup-as-you-go artist"...
Rob Hansen 2 years ago
That is what real professionalism looks like. Sounds like you've got your business well in hand.
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Scott Harrington 2 years ago
Makeup artist is an idiot. She asked for simple party makeup for a agreed upon price. She did NOT ask for wedding makeup. So for you to charge her for something you didn’t even do is fraud. My wife worked 20+ years in the makeup industry and $350 for a finishing spray is robbery. You should be ashamed of yourself. Just think all this could have been avoided with a little communication instead you just look like an a*s.
Bisces 2 years ago
Why do some of y'all think the Bride HAD to get bridal makeup? Just because she's a bride? She can get whatever she wants as long as she pays for it. She never lied, she didn't even say she was a bride. This would all be different if the situation was "Oh you're a bride? Well you have to pay $500 no matter what kind of makeup you get." Which is still iffy but that's not the situation. Maybe actually read the article?
TaKesha Potts 2 years ago
Let's be clear, the Only person in the wrong is the makeup artist. She was booked to apply her "Party makeup", package for $150. The Bride was NOT obligated to disclose what the occasion for this appointment was for. What if she'd booked an appointment for the party package just to sit in her living room? she'd still be paying $150 and the artist is being paid for what she was booked for. I wanna know how the Bride is considered the LIAR because she didn't mention she was getting married ⁉️ For those of you going against the BRIDE, Bet y'all never thought she jus wanted a simple look that complimented her on HER DAY⁉️ The makeup artist is a FRAUD!!!!! She was paying attention to a conversation that had nothing to do with her but took it upon herself to make mental adjustments to her client in the middle of their session without addressing it with the client first, why because she knew she would get push back, because "do what I'm paying and booked you for" PERIODTTT❗
Marina U 2 years ago
I heard from a make up artist that bridal make is more expensive because you meet before to discuss the make up, do even a trial sample. Otherwise it shouldn't be twice as expensive, maybe 50-100 more. Bridal make up could also be more expensive as it could require the bridesmaids make up done as well(assistant to come along).
Dennis Lee 2 years ago
This makeup artist is not wrong, but should have avoided letting emotions get the best of her. She couod have used upselling tactics by explaining the better process for brides and asking of she wanted that service. That, or she couod jave just done the party makeup and warned her about it not being as durable. It does not sound like she's a con artist, just agitated for being misled. Its no different than when a hotel is told the wrong number of guests. They have every right to charge more if they find out, but can do it in an appropriate way.
Lauren Tactikos 2 years ago
The makeup artist was wrong, because not only did she change the price after-the-fact, but did so without actually changing anything about the service/products that she provided. She decided that because the party that her customer was attending was her wedding, that she was entitled to the $500 that she normally charges brides. In most cases, this service costs more because there’s more work/product involved. There are often consultations, test runs so the client can see what they’ll look like, which gives them the opportunity to request changes (more/less, different shades, etc.), and a touch up kit included. Since they’re literally doing two or more makeovers, putting together a touch up kit, etc. they price the package accordingly.. That’s not what happened here. This MUA decided that the bride scammed her, when the bride simply chose a less involved service. They agreed on a party makeover, booked it, and the bride paid for it, and the MUA demanded $350 more for nothing.
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Jessica Johnson 2 years ago
Quite frankly it's not the makeup artist business what type of event she's going to she's just doing her job applying makeup for a fixed price both agreed upon between two parties.
Diana Buck 2 years ago
YTA, for sure. Let's carry this over to a different industry. If I order a wedding cake (tiered cake with detailed decoration, including transportation to the venue and possibly assistance with cutting portions) I can expect to pay a premium. If I order a single tier cake with the couple's names on top, and I pick it up myself, that should cost the same as a similar birthday cake. If you as a baker find out I'm using the cake for my wedding, you are not justified in tripling the price, even if you throw an extra rosette or two on there. And if your policy was to only provide wedding cakes when the client is a bride/groom, you would need to renegotiate instead of deciding to give me a different product (tiered cake) than what I ordered (simple single tier).
Ashley Campbell 2 years ago
If I was a makeup artist and charged $500 for bridal makeup, you would have the option for me to either come to your wedding or reception and I'm catching every tear that falls for that price. An extra $250 and I'll come to the wedding AND the reception and not a single drop will fall upon your face.
mind yours 2 years ago
"but she liiieeeedddd" and??? sorry, are some of these nta voters from a universe where a person providing a service is entitled to what their client is doing for the rest of the day? OP needs to get greed and entitlement under control, wow. imagine thinking any of us are obligated to disclose anything a service provider wants to know, so they can leverage it into more money while not changing the service???? absolutely not
Simon Chan 2 years ago
In which point did the bride lied? The bride asked for a party makeup, it didn't mean that she lied. Not everyone can and/or want to pay $500 for a full bridal makeup. Maybe the bride was satisfied with the quality of just party makeup. Assuming the bride lied is the main issue here. The bride asked for a party make up, that's it . The artist could either tell her the quality for the party makeup will not be the same as the bridal makeup, explain to the bride the difference between the two, and let the bride decide which one to go for before the actual makeup. The fact the artist went on assuming it's a wedding so she need to do the bridal makeup, not communicating with the bride, then went on asking for $500, that's the main problem here. It's like going to a car dealership asking for an oil change which cost only $100. Then the bill came and it's $1000 because there's an engine problem. They fixed it without telling you, now you need to pay $1000. See the problem here?
Shane 2 years ago
All the people who say the bride was at fault are victim blaming. The bride set an appointment for party makeup at $150 dollars. That is what she wanted. Just because she's the bride doesn't give the artist the right to adjust amount owed if what the artist did was party makeup. If you went to Starbucks and asked for a medium black coffee, then they gave you a medium black coffee, but charged you for a large mocha latte would that be ethical?
Christina MacKinnon 2 years ago
Sorry, but just because it is a woman’s wedding day does not mean that you get to charge more. I have been married twice, and did my own makeup both times. I look fabulous in my wedding photos. It doesn’t matter what reason the woman is having her makeup done - either do it right, regardless of the reason, or don’t take on the customer! My daughter had her makeup done for her prom, and they charged extra because they knew the occasion. She looked like a HOOKER! Disastrous. You either do the makeup for whatever the occasion, or don’t. No excuse for charging an extra amount for the occasion. If I am wrong, then someone tell me the justification for charging extra because of the occasion someone wants a professional makeup job done… Just do it right, no matter the reason….
Tamara Williams 2 years ago
She calls the bride a liar, sneaky, trying to get a bridal look for a party price? It's clearly the other way around. Based on the OP's own words she lied by omission. She didn't admit to the client beforehand that party makeup doesn't do well in pics. Who would pay 150 for makeup that doesn't do well in pics? Isn't that the point of paying for a professional? Now the sneaky part. She overheard the word "bride or wedding". This happened DURING her doing the makeup. So OP decides to do an expensive spritz of setting spray without any discussion. AFTER she demands 350 on top of the agreed upon price! Admitting the only difference was the sneaky spritz. In her own words bridal make-up usually includes a full day, practice make-up, ect.. Demanding a bridal pay for an agreed upon party service. Instead of looking at this day with embarrassment. The OP decided to reveal she's more scam artist then makeup artist. I think she got the extra 50 bucks to leave before causing more of a scene.
Gwen Gaggiano 2 years ago
YTA. $350 for a different type of spray? I'd rather do my own makeup and not use spray at all. What a scam. You had a deal with the bride. Besides, what if she was just getting ready for a bachelorette party and not the main event?
Get Jinxed 2 years ago
Yta obviously. For ethical make up artist wedding makeup includes higher quality make, taking more time on make up, a trial run etc. If a client doesn't want that or can't afford it they have no responsibility to disclose what it is for as they will be the basic make up service. Soeven if you provide all that after being hired to do basic make up yta for providing a service no one asked. But you didn't even do that it seems like u are just a scam artist who provides no additional quality and just upcharge ppl over 200% because it there special day and most ppl assume there will be higher quality. Do you disclose to all ur clients that the only thing the 350$ extra charge for wedding make up is better spray before being hire? Going to go out on a limb and say no so stfu with the "lie" claim as u lie and deceive everyone bride that you do make up for. If I was her I would of taken you to small claims court and reported you to the better business bureau
Lee W 2 years ago
Yeah the makeup artist is wrong. Also I HATE when articles use acronyms without explaining them. AITA= Am I The A$$hole ESH= Everyone Sucks Here NTA= Not The A$$hole The internet makes up acronyms everyday and some of them are specific to communities (ex. Makeup community using MUA for Make Up Artist) or social media sites (ex: reddit. Redditors love their acronyms and literally each subreddit has their own acronyms). It just makes life easier to state the acronym meaning at least once in the article and I'm sure most writing styles have this as a rule; MLA, APA, AMA
That one dummy thicc GOOMBA 2 years ago
Bro i need to know this makeup artist so i can recommend that she never get business again, as she is obviously not a real bridal makeup artist. What the f**k?
Damita 2 years ago
In the end the makeup artist was deceptive. It takes an hour or so to do the makeup. She was greedy. She lost possible business contracts. She could have so and discussed the misunderstanding with the bride... see what negotiated price works be agreeable... if it was the lowest price honor her stated agreement.... and load her up with business cards for all the referrals due to come her way. The artist was extremely short sighted. If she is paying taxes and running a legitimate business.... she could have written it off as an operating loss. How stupid. She must have been desperately poor to do something like that
Edward Gore 2 years ago
Did not read the entire article, but this is one of the first times I saw "YTA" overwhelmingly typed🤣🤣🤣🤣
Annisa Nova 2 years ago
Can't you sue the make up artist? That's definitely a scam there. Seriously. The bride might be someone that want to have a small wedding and just want to have a wedding for the sake of it. Not for show on socmed or c**p and just want to look decent so she's looking for the "cheap" one.
Cathy Thornton 2 years ago
She is the a*****e she asked for party make up not bridal it doesn't matter that her party makeup is being used for her wedding. She's using the same product she'd use . She literally Said it was the same thing . She just wants to take advantage of her being a bride and get more money out of her when she has no right .
Bonnie Parker 2 years ago
Having worked in expensive salon and spa....the OP is totally the AH...customer MAY BE A BRIDE... but asked for no special treatment. No extra products... The makeup artist heard BRIDE and without discussion used a different setting... but same make up, same amount of time...and no extra discussion yet asked for 350 more?! thats absurd... You may have a skillset...but youre missing customer service and communication skills and....if you ONLY used a different setter, but used the same makeup, tools and amount of time, you dont get to charge an extra 350 ...you didnt use your "skills" at all... op is definitely the AH.
Vincent Williams 2 years ago
Its none of the makeup artist business if the client is going to actual party, wedding, family,business dinner, school reunion or whatever else after getting make up done. So the idea that the client hid something is absurd. The client ordered the party makeup. That is what the make up artist should have provided because the client didn't ask for bridal makeup. I hope the client sues the makeup artist for trying to scam her. If I go to taco bell during lunch and order the 5 dollar box they can't charge me more if I decide to save it for dinner, nor can they add things to it without telling me and expect me to pay for those added things. So yes the makeup artist is a scammer and jerk.
MattLikesGaming 2 years ago
Im a guy and know the woman was being scammed. She didn't ask for special treatment. She just wanted makeup done. Unchanging 350 just because is a jerk move. All things being equal what the artist did was wrong.
Desiree Beasley 2 years ago
That’s a RIP OFF PRICE! I just recently had my wedding. The gal traveled to my location did my bridal Make up AND BRIDAL HAIR. So all together I paid 350.
Jackson Marcotte 2 years ago
If you ask for a simple white cake at $20, but you find out its for a wedding rather than a grad party, so you decide to use fancy no-melt icing, but upcharge the cake to $100 without asking, that’s shady business. Offer to make it a long lasting wedding cake by *communicating* to your client. If they refuse, and just want a simple cake you agreed to, give them the food they requested.
Hannah 2 years ago
OPs the AH. The difference between bridal isn't the product or the amount of work done. Nothing changes but the event. It's like charging more for birthday party makeup vs a just because college party makeup. You're still doing the same amount of work, they're just going somewhere different once they leave your business. Pricing should be based off of product used and elaborate-ness of work. Not what their purpose is once they leave your business.
Sean Leary 2 years ago
Makeup artist isn't just an AH, she's a complete POS. Small, medium and Large. The time of day you order doesn't change the small size to cost as much as the large. She's not a makeup artist, she's a scam artist that other people's business is her business. $500 is too much for that bs, it's no wonder folks are trying to lie. Thankfully, her little gravy train is just about over.
Peggy Travis 2 years ago
Bwaaaaaha, to any of those prices. That just goes to show, there are scammers everywhere, and people who fall for it.
Bill billybob 2 years ago
Yep the artist is the AH. If she used the same products for both party and bride then the price should be the same, regardless of the event. Sounds like a huge scam to me. I wouldn't have paid her any extra.
Kristina Lyublinskaya 2 years ago
Yup you're an overpriced a*s. You could still give a bride a party look, which is what you were booked for. She didn't ask you for mixing some "higher" end setting sprays b******t either
Courtney Bostwick 2 years ago
She is 100% the AH. Woman asked for party makeup not bridal makeup. Probably trying to save some money. If it didn't include setting spray or look as good thats on, thats what she wanted and what she afford. Its not up to you to decide to do more than she asked and expect her to pay for it. Thats just stupid
Joseph Eichhorn 2 years ago
You should charge her for what she asked for nothing more and nothing less.
TC Bowen 2 years ago
The make-up artist should have disclosed the price difference before moving forward. Also, don't assume the bride was being sneaky. Maybe she wanted a "party" look instead of the "bridal" look. What is someone wasn't a bride but wanted bridal make for a photo shoot? Show them all the options, then let them choose the look they want based and they can determine if that artist fits in their budget. She may have just sabotaged her own business and lost potential clients.
Weston Kerbs 2 years ago
Yep, YTA. She didn't even lie. She wanted party makeup for her wedding. That's all. If my car has dents and I want a tune up, you don't get to just decide to fix the dents and then charge me for that too.
Crystal Maynor 2 years ago
How can you assume she lied just because she asked for a simple party make up. well maybe she didn't want a lot of makeup so she went with party not bride not for nothing you should have stopped doing her make up and talked about it instead you choose to continue and that's your fault not hers ARTIST IS A A*S
Annette 2 years ago
YTA. 100%. Unchanging an $350 for brides ? Do you realize how much weddings cost ? You agreed to $150. You should have taken the money that you agreed to. Personally I would have told you f**k off and not give you a dime. I'd tell you to sue me. I hope she tells EVERYONE on yelp about your experience. Make sure you let everyone know what happened. Hopefully she'll never get a job in your town.
Skully Bats 2 years ago
To the redditors & ya'll in the comments saying "YTA" are entitled AH. The client straight up lied to OP to save 350 bucks when she straight up knew the price was 500 for her services for bridal makeup. It's not OPs fault that the client turned out to be such a karen. It's honestly outright ridiculous to think that OP is the AH here because cause it's her services so she can charge however she wants cause ohhh I don't knoow IT'S HER SKILLSET and she makes money off of that skillset. When you're booking somebody for a service and you see their prices, you DO NOT lie to them to get a cheaper price! That is not okay! If you can't afford their price then you get somebody else, super easy barely inconvenience!
Bisces 2 years ago
1. The bride didn't lie 2. People can't save money anymore?
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gail smith 2 years ago
The makeup artist was wrong and I would not have paid the extra money if Thatvwas not what we agreed ti do. She should have given the lady what she chose and moved on.
Iifa A. 2 years ago
YTA. If I wanted bridal make up I would have asked for it specifically. Some of us don't want to spend on a face 500. I would expect the makeup artist.to provide.me the service I paid for. Changing price because your customer is a bride is unprofessional. Materials and skills are same, therefore price is same. Bridal makeup has a pretrial, did you offer?Let's be honest party make up has to withstand a party. Wedding makeup has to weather, party, photoshoot, compliment the wearer, lighting and last all day/night. Party makeup for 150, I can touch up myself, 500 makeup I expect to not need touch up Scam was correct. At this point I would have asked break of invoice for party and wedding makeup. And I would report the artist. Speaking from experience, my niece does make up for personal occasions and for theatre. She charges same for simple makeup, doesn't care for occasions. Charges same for wedding makeup and Halloween because these have to look and last throughout day regardless issue
Ezigma 2 years ago
How can you charge that much more just because of setting spray?!
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Bunnie Hartley 2 years ago
She overheard she was a bride that doesn't mean her wedding was that day. Especially if she not wear a dress or her underneath clothes. But she could've been going to her bachelorette party. But the makeup artist would never know because she never bother to ask. And honestly her price are pretty.B.s if think about she openly admits only finding out she was a bride halfway through the process. Not the second she started. Same supplies, same amount of effort. You can't tell me she started with party makeup and change to bride mid through and expected $500 That like charging someone more if they went club vs a party.
Leanna Krys 2 years ago
wow, totally the AH. Such is the wedding industry I suppose. I don't see it as lying at all if you are a bride trying to avoid the dreaded "wedding tax". As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to specify ANYTHING is for a wedding unless there is actually something that you know is worth paying the extra amount for. Chances are, the cake, flowers, or in this case, makeup, would typically be fairly close to the same as what you would normally get without that "tax" added on after saying the magic word of "wedding". Same thing with funerals, honestly. It's ridiculous.
Liz Miner 2 years ago
Besides the fact that Wedding makeup charges typically include a trial, Id think wedding makeup would be more elaborate than party makeup. And what does she charge for other formal events like proms? The bride probably thought the wedding set came with extra something amd didnt want it opting for the party set. I wanna kick ppl like the OP in the.. AH!
Xiomara Arthur 2 years ago
She should have kept working on her regular makeup and not make the bride pay extra. She wanted the 500 so badly she forced this lady on it. The whole thing is that if someone wants the extra beautification they will pay for it, not forced into it. I wouldn't have pay the makeup artist. The Mua was a bichtchhhhh
John Riches 2 years ago
This reminds me when I was getting married. Wanted to get Stag & Doe (Jack & Jill) tickets printed. Twice as much as business cards, so I ordered business cards!
shinshige 2 years ago
I don’t know what’s happening to me lately. I feel like the older I get, the more [Conservative, capitalist, Republican, whatever] I get. I mean, historically, I can absolutely not see charging different prices for the same applications. If it’s the same work, then the labor value of money dictates this is the same amount of price to charge for each application. I don’t know when this changed, but now, I see this as she’s an artist. And she’s the business owner. She can charge whatever she decides to charge. The market system works in a way that if she says this is what I charge and someone says I don’t want to pay that, then they don’t pay that. If she says that’s what I charge, and then someone says yes, I agree to that, and then they pay it, that’s just the way it is. If someone says I’m charging price A for service A, and price C for service C, you don’t get to just say, “I want price A for service C.” That’s not how markets work.
BusyLizzy 2 years ago
That would be a fair point if service A was different to service C. But if you want to be able to double your prices on a whim, you shouldn't be surprised or angry if customers decline to give you all the facts.
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Lily 6 months ago
No. OP is the AH. You may the choice to do bridal makeup, that's not what she wanted, she just wanted party makeup. You assume she was deceiving you, and it doesn't sound like it. You make it out to be a big scam by her, no, you just made up your mind and did it on your own. She just wanted party makeup, and that's what you do.
Sharon Switzer 6 months ago
Make up artist definite the AH. If she asked for the party makeup then that is what you should have stuck to. You using your "bride" setting spray is on you and not her.
Raven Hayden Rudnik 6 months ago
Charging way more for no reason other then the fact that someone is having the Wedding is riddiculous. For 350 she could buy all the setting Sprays in sephora probably xd. I really hate the fact that people are artifficially making up prices because Wedding industry is so pumped. I just refuse to pay that. If I want a simple make up, what does it matter if I go to a Wedding, birth day party, funeral of my ex or my own home xd. The Service is the same. You cant change the price mid Service
vanilla chan 1 year ago
ppl saying nta don't seem to get that what op doing is literally a scam. yea it's "different products" according to op, but it's none of op's business what their clients do with their "lesser" makeup. besides some spray the only difference is that op decided there was a difference
i0ana 2 years ago (edited)
YTA,you are a scammer! -_- (btw,what do you do for 500?? using real diamonds, gold,or something similar?? Client didnt asked for a fancy "bride makeup" ,altho you claim you used specific bride makeup products after you heard some ppl mention there is a wedding there? LMAO! Did you asked the bride about that??? Did she agreed with it?? Or you just did it to justify your 350 extra at the end?? She asked for a SPECIFIC MAKEUP,no matter what the ocasion was! You been paid more that the actual price and you are still angry???
Devon M 2 years ago
This is insane. In 2019 my husband and I eloped. We decided to spend our wedding money on an epic two week vacation and got married on a cruise ship in Miami that then took us to Mexico and Belize. Absolutely amazing. Anyways, my one big splurge was on hair and makeup because I have never been good at those things and wanted to look amazing for my new husband. I found a small beauty salon a few blocks from our hotel. Two girls actually came to our hotel room the morning of our wedding and did an amazing job. Ive never looked prettier! And the total cost was 300.00, in Miami, where I imagine beauticians can charge a premium for weddings. This makeup artist in this post is a fraud and a con. 500.00 for wedding makeup is ridiculous, makes me sick.
Kara Morris 2 years ago
The OP is definitely TAH. Even if she did change the makeup upon finding out the customer was a bride, I would NOT have paid the extra afterwards. IF something was going to be changed, then it needed to be brought up DURING the application/when the OP decided to do something different. In this case, it's even worse because the OP only used a different setting spray. That's it. If the OP was being HONEST about her charging the extra, she would've brought it up when she found out. Instead, she tried to scam her out of more $. As many others have said, they had a verbal contract, & the customer chose a specific package. End of story.
Lunasgma 2 years ago
IMHO the woman asked for party makeup. So give her party makeup and take your 150. You had no right to give her so called "bridal makeup" without asking her if she was ok with the price. She should report you to BBB and give you a FIERY SCATHING review on yelp. Yes you my dear makeup artist ARE the A- hole.
parisa parvizi 2 years ago
This happens in Iran too. Since ages ago. I also lied for my engagement makeup and felt awful and my mom which knew I hate lying went and told them and BAM backslash .... The mother of the makeup artist which owned the salon told us : "She should learn from this and not use her good material simply...." I just laughed , apologized, left and never went back... Like WTF... I just said I need a simple makeup... not bridal just simple...
Amie Overby Fowlkes 2 years ago
Makeup Artist is DEFINITELY 100% AH!!! Frankly I'm shocked that you have any business. You are a SCAM ARTIST NOT A MAKEUP ARTIST
James Loong 2 years ago
Here in Malaysia, a Chinese bridal makeup is definitely charged more. BUT normally that would include morning session and also the dinner session. Price is justified as the makeup artist is somewhat with you the whole day.
Gaby Gallegos 2 years ago
It doesn't matter what industry you're in, once you give out an estimate you respect and honor that estimate. Does not matter if you had to buy more materials, tools, etc. out of pocket. That's on you for not finding out more before giving out your estimate.
LJ Armstrong 2 years ago (edited)
Both the makeup artist and the bride were in the wrong. Both practiced deceitful tactics to acquire more for less. If the bride is lying about make up, I can only imagine what other lies she wheels. If the makeup artist is pushing forward when she discovers the lie, she should have stopped and communicated accordingly. If the bride didn't want to pay then the makeup artist should have refused service to the bride. The mom throwing money at the makeup artist was classless and degrading of herself, not of the makeup artist. This was an unhealthy exchange by all 3 involved.
Moch Cham 2 years ago
I don't even understand how people still said that she is NTA. Like the bride ask for a simple party look NOT bridal makeup look. You're the MUA, you're supposed to do what the clients ask you to do AND how is a few sprints of setting spray charged 350$?? Are them spray made from diamond or summ?
Clifford Stokes 2 years ago
This is disgusting Behavior overcharging Brides and their families just because they're getting married how Despicable and disgusting can you be Caterers do the same thing I have a friend who owns a catering company he overcharges weddings and for parties and business Affairs he charges less for the same amount of work this is disgusting and horrible and these con artists need to be stopped they are praying on brides and their families during their happiest time
Clifford Stokes 2 years ago
Sorry to but I don't not like this con artist of a makeup artist why should it cost more for brides this is no different than catering they want to charge you more for weddings than they do parties how do I know my friend owns a catering company and they do the same thing they love to overcharge weddings to get more money this is disgusting and horrible practice
Angeline Gresso 2 years ago
The client did not ask for expensive makeup or champagne. She asked for a party look and if that's what she wanted, the artist had NO RIGHT to charge her extra for the look she wanted just because of who she is and what the occasion was. It doesn't matter what the occasion, she asked for partyakeup for her wedding and that's he choice, not the artist's.
Winter Eleven 2 years ago
The make up artist should just do the less expensive, not long lasting make up and just let the bride have it smudged or whatever happens to not-lasting makeup that's reserved for the "party make-up" (no idea of make-up products whatsoever)
Rob Hansen 2 years ago
The problem is it's the 'artists' reputation that gets smudged when her company is tagged in those photos. That's the only part of the OP's reasoning that holds any weight. She still handled it very unprofessionally. Should have had a contract to state all of this and then the client would be in breach of said contract and she would be protected. She needs to learn how to run a business, she's not a professional until that happens.
Load More Replies... Chris Sprucefield 2 years ago
You don't get to change the price AFTER the agreement for a specific service just because you find that there's different circumstances behind. In many places, that is not even legal, as you quoted her a certain price which can not deviate more than about 10%, she entered into a contract based on that quotation, and you then did a bait and switch demanding further payment solely on that she was a bride, not what you delivered. 100% YTA.
Heather DeVies 2 years ago
YTA. She didn't ask for the bridal treatment because she couldn't afford that package, and asked for a more economic package. OP didn't discuss the differences or the upcharge, she just surprised her with an outrageous bill at the end. Sneaky, poor business syrategy, unethical treatment of a client. 100% AH
Manish Sharma 2 years ago
So she basically agrees that bridal make up is party makeup plus 350 for nothing,
Nurse956 2 years ago
Wth is wrong with this make up artist? The bride shouldnt even have given her the money when she was that greedy and doesnt deserve respect. Bride didnt ask for bridal make up but a simple part makeup which mostly artist use much cheaper and affordable make up. I have 2 make up artist in London and both are highly skilled with higher degree in make up industry from London. They are even shocked and said they give service for what customers asks. Bridal make up is more work with high end make up and more time and often with face mask and etc etc. While party make is lighter and affordable make up and less time. She wanted part look and charge her for party look and thats it and it doesnt matter whether she will be heading to some funeral or wedding.
Best life ever 2 years ago
She was absolutely in wrong (the makeup artist) hope people now see who she is and doesn't get more business. Glad she ousted herself as a rip-off and cheat. Sometimes people want simple makeup for wedding and no big fuss and shouldn't pay extra just cause of day. So if I'm bride going to courthouse or having small home wedding I should pay for make up 5x more just cause you hear bride ? You can't change price either once negotiations done and did work and expect it. Had none of family been there wouldn't have known nor see chance to scam more out. Not to mention what horrible way to start brides day fighting with makeup artist. Many of you so called artist in hair makeup etc are way overrated 🙄 and want too much . I can do great makeup and do everyday but maybe just want on special day someone else to but shouldn't be taken advantage of by over pricing you can keep your BS setting spray too for so much.
Megzymonsta 2 years ago
100% the AH. This woman asked for a service and agreed the price. She didn't try to get anything extra and would likely not have even have said she was the bride if someone else hadn't accidentally mentioned it. It's like someone ordering a bouquet of flowers then the seller finding out they're for a wedding and deciding to charge more than 3X the agreed price for the same bouquet. I usually agree with service providers for getting upset when people try to get products for cheaper but this bride asked for a basic service with no perks and got exactly that. I have to wonder if this make-up artist is a scammer if they think it's acceptable to charge someone an extra £350 for £150 worth of work
Jacquette Harris 2 years ago
You decided to use the bridal makeup on your own without disgusting it with the Clint and then ends up arguing with her on her wedding day because you tried to ripping her off shame on you you should have refunded her
Tre Parker 2 years ago
Same problem as a photographer; I get asked to shoot weddings for $500 which is a fraction of what I should be paid.
Rosa Tapia 2 years ago
Yeah that's so wrong to try and change the price. If she said party makeup it doesn't matter what she gets party makeup and price!
Gavin Bownes 2 years ago
One reason for wedding up charge is it's a hassle. Weddings have to be perfect, people can be demanding, aggressive and a hassle when it comes to them. So while I agree there should be an upcharge, 350 extra is excessive especially when you bait and switch at the end.
Lauren Tactikos 2 years ago
Yeah, but none of that was the reason for the up charge. This MUA found out that she was applying makeup to a bride and not just some party goer, and decided to add $350 to the price. The prices should be based on the services provided, not the whims of the person charging them. This MUA didn’t say the bride expected more than what she’d ordered. She said that she finished the makeup and then demanded an extra $350 for literally nothing. The setting spray story is nonsense that she apparently added after the fact because she realized that people thought she was in the wrong. This MUA didn’t provide a touch up kit, or do a trial run first as one would expect from a service that costs more than triple the price. She just got annoyed because she felt the bride tricked her. That’s nonsense, unless she’s admitting that she charges three different prices for the exact same thing. If that’s the case, she’s a scammer. Different packages should offer different services/products.
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Larfy D. Lorly 2 years ago
Make up artist. More like a scam artist. Pathetic. People have to work hard all week for that 500 and she PuTs oN MaKeUp. 🤡
Shannon Bryant 2 years ago
Absolutely, one hundred percent, YOU are The AH. ... What greedy, deceptive, UNPROFESSIONAL type of service ARE you!? You are absolutely ridiculous. You also come off as: Entitled, Indignant, Whiny, Unethical, Extremely Immature, and, sorry to say, a gigantic B***h. ... I would never in a million years go to, NOR recommend anyone else a person like you, someone with such dishonest, manipulative practices. ... Just. WOW. Have some CLASS & some INTEGRITY, would ya?? And also, way do you just assume that she "LIED" to you, ias if an elaborate plot?? Just because she didn't tell you she was wearing it for her wedding?? Maybe she saw no reason to. Maybe she realized it's HER business & is absolutely not obligated to tell anyone the specifics of what they are going to do. ... Imagine trying to buy a nice dress, & the sales lady demanding to know where you planned to wear it to. Then proceeding to say that, that EXACT dress would cost double depending on where you planned to wear it.
bob terwilliger 2 years ago
If you put anything on her before you told her the new price, then regardless of what you did differently from what she booked you for your quote is your quote. One you started you were only entitled to the last agreed upon price. Full stop.
Doedside 2 years ago
She charges 350$ more because she's using a better setting spray? Wtf. I agree with that bride, she wanted a simple party look and who she is doesn't matter. Tbh the mua should change her prices because those differences are wild. I personally would never go to someone who charges so much just because of the type of event
Supriti Hamal 2 years ago
The point is clear here. Bride’s mom did exactly what she had to do. When the bride said she wants party makeup the makeup artist should just do her job but there is like ‘I heard she was the bride, I used different setting spray’, what the hell was makeup artist thinking. If she agreed on party makeup than why would makeup artist wants to be over smart and use setting spray. Girl just do your work get your money and leave.
Hannah Ph 2 years ago
Makeup artist is definitely the AH. They assumed negative intent, and tried to get payback at the bride. There's so many reasons the bride could have booked party makeup other than trying to scam. Ie. Maybe it's a less traditional wedding and she wanted non traditional make up. Maybe she wanted traditional makeup but couldn't afford it, so she went for the cheaper option not even knowing the difference. The bride agreed to the service and price ahead of time, but so did the artists. Artists should have stuck with what they agreed to, regardless of the bride's title. And all that is in addition to the $350 setting spray...
Scott Seeger 2 years ago
Makeup lady breeched. Ask better questions next time. But there is good reason for charging extra for weddings. Demands are higher and you are expected to go the 3xtra mile. Never go on the cheap side for a wedding. If you say its a wedding you get charged morebut you also go to top priority in caterer/suppliers queue. Nobody who has ever experienced a wedding letdown has ever been thankful for the money they have saved.
Markus It/Its 2 years ago
In what universe is it okay to change the terms of your agreement partway through without informing the other party?
Joseph Singer 2 years ago
Yeah, I really don't see how the poster can get away with charging more simply because the client is a bride.
Loveless Tuna 2 years ago
Id understand if she was using luxury products. Why wouldnt she stop and ask after she heard it was for a wedding? She chose to continue and surpise her client. She didnt do anything extra or fancy for it so there was no need for that upcharge. If anything she should have just said congratulations on the wedding and asked for an extra tip or somthing smaller because she lied. She should definitely have a contract so it wouldnt happen and definitely change the products if her bridal service is $500. Make it worth the money...
Nina Harris 2 years ago
Yup definitely YTA and I don't even necessarily think the bride was being dishonest. I mean if I saw the price listed that way I would have assumed that the difference in price had to do with the amount of service. So she thinks I don't want all the the extra so I'll take the party package. She might not have dreamed that you were charging different prices for the same service depending on who the client is. As an example imagine you call a bakery and ask for a plain chocolate sheet cake that feeds 50 people you want a price. The bakery answer. That cake for an office party is 50 but if it's for a birthday party it's 100 and if it's for a baby shower it will be 150 dollars. Very unethical.
voidrunner 2 years ago
Definitely the a*****e. It's like going to a tattoo parlor and asking for a butterfly, but the artist says that a dragon would look better, then proceeds to charge for the dragon tattoo. It's not what she asked for.
Tonette Casey 2 years ago
Yes this life is ridiculous to try and live in with prices of necessities going up so to charge that much to do makeup on someone is crazy. (hay what goes around comes around just saying)
cold spotac 2 years ago
I work in air conditioning so I know nothing about make up but I believe one should charge a reasonable price for the amount of work and materials used. If additional labor and materials are required then charge extra but if you did a $150 job don't try to charge extra because you found out there was a wedding. I tell people sometimes there are 2 prices the temporary repair and the best I can possibly do guaranteed job with all the best materials job; which one would you like? Obviously the price is not the same
Peggy Travis 2 years ago
I would laugh in his face when he would tell me 150.00 to apply make up. 350.00 or 500.00, Bwaaaaaaaha.
Erinia Verde 2 years ago
Well, as a client it's good to ask what'd be different between a regular party and a bride makeup, so if the artist says "I add spray for bride makeup", client says "you know? I just want a regular party makeup" if the artist says "I'll charge you 500 because I don't care. While you're the bride, it's a bride price", so the client can say "not interested thanks" and look for someone else
Gina Conrad 2 years ago
First off, you should ALWAYS have a written agreement and possibly better questions should have been asked before the "party" was to take place. I also belive that regardless of what was charged, your signature is on your clients face so do a great job, and suck up the cost ! I hope this was a lesson learned for everyone!
Ghost 2 years ago
I am in this industry and she should have had a contract for $500. That price includes a consultation with doing a run through with photos so we are on the same page. It also includes touch ups for photos,reception and your send off. $150 is for a night out.Your fault for booking it without confirming .
Jen 2 years ago
Some brides dont want all that extra stuff, thry only want a simple short appointment the day of and arent doing all that extra stuff anyway. I didnt have a professional photographer, ripped off the lashes for the reception because they were annoying me and we didnt do a send off, just stayed chatting until most everyone had left.
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Ibrahim Ghattas 2 years ago
Wtf, definitely NTA, if he was to be asked to do makeup for a TV personality on set "but standard treatment" would he have charged only 150? A wedding is a spectacle that requires clearing your schedule for, and more importantly, giving her the stamp of excellence.. I am a translator and I charge extra for "legal translation" because the client wants me to take full responsibility.. now the technique is mostly the same, but the level of awareness is different.. and she knew it but decided to hide the fact?
Amy Taylor 2 years ago (edited)
I'm going to weigh in here as a professional Makeup Artist. Granted, I work in film and television, but have done the occasional wedding. The reason that I personally charge more for the bride than the attendants or mothers of the bride/groom is because I also include a trial makeup prior to the wedding just to make sure she's not surprised on the wedding day. I also know about lighting and makeup to last for several hours, and include a small touch-up kit for the bride for photos and whatnot. I'm on the fence with this one because if she openly admits to doing the exact same thing on everyone, then her prices should reflect that. I tend to block far more time with the bride. This is why is dislike doing weddings and will only do them for close friends, relatives etc. I've had situations where the flower girl has handed me tear sheets, wants full lashes, and a full face of makeup but expects to pay the same as what a normal flower girl would get.
Katy Cordeth 2 years ago
Funny to me that all the "This comment is hidden. Click here to view" replies are the only ones that actually get it.
VeteranRedBeard 2 years ago
Here's the thing, I understand the bride didn't want special makeup, just base party. But if everyone did that, the makeup artist wouldn't get hardly any brides to spend the money for wedding. The bride lied for a reason. Otherwise she wouldn't have to lie. She tried to get around the system and there should be a fee for that. The make up artist should disclose that on her site also. It's a messy situation but I understand both sides. But you don't lie about the situation unless you know you would have to pay more.
Bisces 2 years ago
1. Please point out where the bride lied. 2. Why can't people save money anymore. 3. Just because she's a bride, she HAS to get the bridal makeup?
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Georgie Gal 2 years ago
Honestly, I don't think OP is the AH, because, to her mind they were getting ripped off, and it does appear that the party-bride lied on purpose to not have to pay the full bridal price, but what they should have done was exactly what they were charged for. No more, no less. Even after finding out it's for a wedding, that doesn't mean they needed to up their make-up game and use the higher end products. I would have personally done the $150 work, and then when I was paid, apologize for not knowing that it was actually for a wedding, and leaving with a "Since you didn't get the wedding package, I really hope your make-up holds up since the higher end would have stayed and looked more flawless then something I normally do for people who aren't taking high grade pictures showing every flaw. Byeeee!" Yeah, I would have totally done that, and left smiling. That's how you make an AH people lol
Stacey Lu 2 years ago
I can see both sides, the bride started out deceiving you, they were probably all having a good laugh about it. I know there would have been much more involved had you known she was a bride, if I was the artist, I would not her to walk the aisle with my signature on her face unless it was the BEST for a bride, not for a night out! People ask who did your makeup? And when she tells them, they'll be like, hmmm, that was all she did for a wedding? There'd be no referrals and a bunch of s**t talking (not that its any different), i'd rather be an a*****e for overcharging than the butt of a cheapskate bridal joke and everyone thinking I dont know what I'm doing! Thats your business card on her face, anything less than your best isnt worth any amount of money! So artist let her emotions take over but she is totally justified because of the whole deceit by the bride leading up to it!
Arturo Andres 2 years ago
Or, maybe the bride could have saved herself some money and done the makeup herself? What's that? Oh, it takes years of experience and professionalism to do regular "party makeup"? Okay, so you're good with paying a lavish amount for people to do your party, your dress, your cake, your gowns and dresses, but draw the line at the one person that keeps you from looking like the cheapskate clown you really are? Fine, be cheap, be upfront about it, just because you think you deserve to pay less for an event that ultimately benefits you but could care less that anyone else is trying to make a living, you think 500 is a hefty price tag? Do it yourself, it's your face she's working on, not your dog's, your lawn or your dirty mother's, yours! I'm not even a makeup artist, but I do know what it feels like when people think your work is worth less because it's art. Maybe she charges 150 to be accessible to everyone else who is actually broke. Smh...
Heather Manthe 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with the Artist feeling her “art” is under appreciated or it looking like c**p and that reflecting on her. It has to do with the fact that the client asked for the party package, the OP heard the word “wedding” and thought she’d make a better buck, and then tried to scam the client by being sneaky by using additional unasked for product, over charging and attempting extortion, and THEN after admitting her shiesty behavior online to everyone, expects to glean sympathy from the majority of rational thinking, level headed readers of this forum. Or more simply put, the client ordered the party package, she should’ve got the party package, regardless of what the OP THINKS she should’ve ordered.
Load More Replies... Charlotte Richards 2 years ago
Not actually passing judgement here, but I'm still going to point out the language that people used in these examples. Did anyone else notice that (generally) the closer to the YTA side people were, the worse their grammar/spelling was as a whole? This can actually be seen in a lot of places, more critical people tend to use more obviously incorrect grammar, less or tacky punctuation, more abbreviations, and when applicable, more emojis. I actually find this very interesting, you can see this in reviews, conversations involving a phone keyboard, comments in general, etc.. Like I said earlier, I'm fairly neutral to this discussion, and I'm not trying to break that neutrality. I'm just pointing this out.
Julianne M 2 years ago
I don't know who to side with. The artist is kind of an ******* but at the same time the bride did lie. I am going to stay neutral because I can see both sides of the argument.
Bisces 2 years ago
But the Bride didn't lie. She didn't even say she was a bride.
Load More Replies... Sarah nashold 2 years ago
Both of you were wrong. She tried to skirt your prices by finding a loophole, you changed the service without telling her when she disclosed what the specifics if the party. You should have a clear deliniation of what party makeup vs wedding makeup is in the discription..like ok better setting spray but it has to be more then that...more photogenic makeup techniques for bright lighting? or looking good at a distance with more dramatic yet clasic look? A trial run? More time? More layers or waterproofing so it stays on all night? Staying around after the service to make sure the makeup still looks good for the photos? Otherwise why are you charging someone more because they are fufilling a specific role at their party?
Bisces 2 years ago
Why did the bride have to tell the artist who she was? Why is that her business?
Load More Replies... Heather Manthe 2 years ago
Bored Panda is aptly named here because I’m flat out bored with the pathetic ways that yours and that Batty Skulls’ brains are working. Have a lovely day!
Load More Replies... Bisces 2 years ago
Yeah, makeup artist 100% AH. She asked for a simple party look, less expensive, same makeup tools. You found out she was a bride and trried to charge her more despite her WANTING a sinple party look. You tried to get more money out of her just because of who she was. Smh🙄
Nikki Sevven 2 years ago
Tried to FORCE her to pay more by giving her a service she didn't ask for. And in what universe does setting spray cost $350?
Load More Replies... Evil Little Thing 2 years ago
Makeup artist is the AH. Bride wanted party makeup, not the upcharged version. Imagine buying an economy seat on a flight, but when you arrive being told you owe the difference for first class before they will let you disembark.
Tina Hugh 2 years ago
Don’t give the airlines ideas. They’d love to do that
Load More Replies... Kusotare 2 years ago
YTA. You made a contract. You attempted to breach the contract. Although the bride didn't tell you the whole truth, she didn't lie to you. And IMO, you're gouging brides because it's for their "Special Day" (but for perspective, I'm biased against the beast that the bridal industry has become).
Impetus 2 years ago
Can I just say how happy I am that I didn't have a driving need for my wedding to be 100% perfect? I did my own makeup. A relative did my hair. I wish I'd paid for a real photographer but other than that I'm happy with how it turned out. And most importantly, it's been almost 20 years and we're still happy together, which should be the point.
Load More Replies... Casey McAlister 2 years ago
OP is an a*****e. Without getting into your price policy and asking you why the same makeup costs 350$ more depending on the customer's status. there is a thing: you have two separate services in your price list. Your customer requested a specific service - a party makeup. Strictly speaking, it's none of your business if she's a bride or not. She should've received the service she specifically requested and be charged accordingly. Also, as a customer, overpaying 300 bucks for a fixing spray is a total rip-off.
LH25 2 years ago
That's what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words. It's about asking for a specific service, not about where she is going afterwards.
Load More Replies... GirlFriday 2 years ago
When my niece was planning her wedding, she called an artist about makeup for her and her alone. She went in to the shop and met with her and there was a price list on the wall. It listed make up as $100 and wedding makeup as $300. My niece asked her about the price difference, was it traveling to the venue, did it include bridesmaids, were special products used? The artist said that she charges more for weddings because she can. She wasn't hired for the wedding.
KK Thomas 2 years ago
Good for your niece. When I got married I booked for makeup application at the MAC store at the local mall. When the makeup artist asked me what was the special occasion, I told her my wedding and she charged me the prearranged fee when I made the initial appointment.
Load More Replies... Michael Largey 2 years ago
The OP's business practices are perilously close to "bait and switch" fraud. She quotes one price then tries to force a higher one. If a couple rents a Toyota to get to the church to get married, does the rental agency have the right to charge them for a stretch limousine because it's a wedding?
Christina 2 years ago
Charge for the stretch and yet provide a Toyota that's merely had different wax applied.
Load More Replies... Craig Silberman 2 years ago
if the makeup "artist" does the same amount of work for party makeup as she does bridal makeup, then there's no logical reason to charge more for the latter
Roxanne D'souza 2 years ago
I mean it's clear that the make up artist offers the exact same service at 3 different prices. All three services are considered "party looks." The extra costs just because it's a wedding is absurd. Usually, wedding makeup that is pricier than party makeup is only because there's a couple of trial makeup tests involved and some additional services, for which the bigger fee makes sense.
Load More Replies... RedBadgerCan'tSwim 2 years ago
Why does everyone think it's ok to charge more for the same product just because it's for a wedding? I've seen posts about people ordering birthday cakes instead of wedding cakes because it's half the price for the same cake.
Jenn C 2 years ago
My brother had a "garden party" and saved a lot of money on his wedding.
Load More Replies... Sydney-Kate 2 years ago
This feels like the artist was almost taking advantage of the poor bride who just wanted to save so,e money and look pretty on her wedding day
LH25 2 years ago
Sounds like the makeup artist wouldn't have known she was the bride if no one had said so. She didn't ask for anything different than the usual party make-up, so shouldn't have to pay the upcharge. Using the different setting spray don't sound like it was her idea. I could see looking at that price list and not wanting to pay more for the bridal make and asking for the party version.
kath morgan 2 years ago (edited)
So the makeup artist broke her agreement AND told on herself by showing us she doesn’t actually do anything different to consider it a bridal service, and is just price gouging. Got it.
EmiEm 2 years ago (edited)
Changing the price after it's been agreed upon is also breach of contract (even if it was only verbal, a verbal agreement is still a contract). The client would be under no legal obligation to pay the new price. And, there's absolutely no way that the makeup artist could collect on her "bridal price" from her just because she discovered she was a bride. It wouldn't be worth taking to court (lawyers and filling fees would cost more than $350), but if she did the judge would laugh her out of the court room.
Load More Replies... De Nilla 2 years ago
OP is TA. They agreed on a specific look/price for the makeup. The artist took it upon herself to change the product because she found out it was a bride/wedding without discussing the chance with the client. She's a POS con artist. The bride isn't required to wear bride makeup, and can choose whatever look she wants. It's not the artists place to make an executive decision about this other woman's wedding day look. The bride didn't lie, she is under NO OBLIGATION to disclose what event she'll be attending She intentionally caused drama on the wedding day and then turned to the Internet for justification.
Elizabeth Rose 2 years ago
yeah it pissed me off too girl! If I was ever to get married again, I'd really rather do my own makeup & just buy an expensive setting spray or treat myself to a couple of high end products I wouldn't normally go for so I could enjoy them on my honeymoon as well. This was such a d*ck move!! Imagine you acted so egregiously that hundreds of women won't even consider hiring a MUA! You messed up OP. You messed up bad!😆🤣
Load More Replies... Jennifer F 2 years ago
Makeup artist is the a*****e. Makeup is makeup. The amount you use doesn't change based on the occasion. Signed, a previous MA. You quoted a price, you need to charge it or she should report you for advertising fraud to the attorney general. Period.
Dani Tifi 2 years ago
She didn't ask for bridal she asked for party, so keep your "expensive," setting sprays to yourself and do as asked by the customer.
Mine Truly 2 years ago
YTA. Even if the cost of the finishing spray WERE justified, you should have stopped when the bride said she was the bride and told her you could change the spray to wedding spray for $350 and ask if she wants that or the cheap party spray. Keeping your mouth shut until AFTER applying the expensive spray was dishonest, and you're delusional to be thinking otherwise. Also, my guess is that the bride assumed simple party makeup is lower quality/faster/less expensive than wedding makeup. She was willing to have plainer makeup to save money. Finally, yes you have a right to set your own prices, but yes it makes you and every other business the a*****e to upcharge the EXACT SAME SERVICE (or a very trivial improvement) when it's for a wedding. Just because it's your right to do it doesn't mean you're NTA when you do it.
Devin Stone 2 years ago
I got a bit scared that everyone was on the artist's side lol. Huge AH. I think most hair salons and makeup salons are price gouging already. This just proved I'm right. Never buy product from those places! You'll find it for less than half on Amazon, which is where they bought it from most of the time lol.
Brandie Litchfield 2 years ago
Of course nobody is going to pay $350 extra!!! I hope OP gets reported to the professional licensing board. She is a scam artist first, makeup artist second. She should get negative reviews on every platform possible, including BBB and the attorney general. This is fraud, plain and simple.
MJ 2 years ago (edited)
I usually agree the OP is not the AH but this takes the wedding cake! Why would you charge more for the same services. If she did the bridesmaids makeup also I could understand. Wow! In the words of Jerry Springer, you are the a*****e!
syamsul setapa 2 years ago
None. What i see, client choose the package that she feel right for her.
Load More Replies... zovjraar me 2 years ago
if the MUA decided, on their own, to do a different make up look for the person once they heard she was the bride, MUA is the AH. If they had said, hey you're the bride? do you want a bridal look? it will be $X and here's the difference in the products/techniques- that would have been fine. but some brides don't want a bunch of special stuff- bride probably would have been just fine getting what she expected to pay for. you don't get to decide what people "really" want.
Brandon Marlowe 2 years ago (edited)
OP is the AH. The customer chose a service from the menu and received THAT service. Price should not change because OP overheard a conversation about the wedding. I do, however, understand an upcharge for additional services such as attending and retouching as needed, etc. A friend of mine owned a florist shop and she said weddings are SO stressful she charged a lot more than for funerals, dinners, etc. because she actually wanted to discourage wedding business. She said it wasn't worth the hassle.
Tams21 2 years ago
This is normal in the wedding industry, it was just more obvious in this case than others (think about extortionate prices of wedding cakes). But that doesn't absolve the OP of blame, it just makes her a willing part of an industry that shamelessly scams people. And if the type of event wasn't stipulated in the contract, I imagine she's legally in the wrong too.
Noel Dupreetz 2 years ago
If $150.00 was agreed upon then the artist is at fault for adding the extra fees without giving a fair advanced warning. At no time did she say she had changed the materials.
Sergio Bicerra 2 years ago
She used the same kind of makeup, so there's no need to charge more.
Stephan Henkel 2 years ago
Imagine going to a restaurant with your friends, ordering a nice 15,-€ steak and the waiter overhears, that you're about to marry. So he decides on his own to add a little balsamic and some tomatoes to your salad and charges you 50,-€ for it.
Marilyn Russell 2 years ago
Wow - crazy. Who would pay $500 for a makeup application anyway? But still they had an agreement for the party makeup at the lower price and you can’t go making a scene like a nut.
Amy Taylor 2 years ago
You'd be surprised. People have their own glam squads now and pay a lot of money for makeup and hair.
Load More Replies... amy roukema 2 years ago (edited)
I am a nail tech and have done many wedding nails. I charge the same exact price as I do with my everyday clients, because guess what?! I'm doing the same thing with the same amount of product. The same amount of time and the same amount of expertise. It is ubsurd to charge more just because it is for a wedding.
BusyLizzy 2 years ago
The wedding industry is insane. Its well known that as soon as you mention the word wedding, prices for anything double or triple, for no other reason than greed. I have a friend who saved a LOT of money on her venue, cake, catering, decorations, entertainment etc simply by planning a "birthday" instead, and I would encourage anyone to do that. If you're going to play silly games with your pricing you shouldn't expect people to play by your rules. Oh, and I'm an ex wedding coordinator.
Rob Hansen 2 years ago
It is a two way street though, those places charge more because they know that they can and people will pay it for the same reason.. Because it's their wedding. I'm not saying it's ethical but it makes perfect sense.
Load More Replies... Cari James 2 years ago
100% the AH. If you ordered let’s say a bunch of chicken from a fast food restaurant and it was for your families dinner and then you like it so much that when you’re having a family reunion you go back and order the same thing and this time they say because it’s a family reunion we’re going to charge you extra. Not just extra but a few hundred extra would that make you mad? Unless you are using completely different products that cost more and you were putting in more time then there is no justifying that large jump in the price. And I guarantee you that’s why she lied because she knew that was a scamunless you are using completely different products that cost more and you were putting in more time then there is no justifying that large jump in the price. And I guarantee that’s why she lied because she knew that was a scam. I get you’ve been doing it for nine years and you have a specific skill set but that does not justify ripping brides off on their wedding
Shannon Bryant 2 years ago (edited)
Exactly. And, not only changing the price for the family reunion, but waiting until AFTER the family finished eating & were on their way out, then being accosted as she declares that she saw you eating it with your relatives & therefore, owed her $400 instead of the initial $100. Ridiculous.
Load More Replies... Marty Graw 2 years ago
3 words. Bait and switch.its also called fraud or in this case thankfully attempted fraud. Op didn't deserve a dime after she blatantly tried to breach the contract.
Trond Øien 2 years ago (edited)
If there is no big difference in the job done or the products used I would definitely side with the bride here. The problem seems to be the make-up artists pricing policy and that she raised the price after the fact without making the bride in question aware of the coming price hike. The same goes for cake vendors and others who raise their prices based on the occasion and not the actual difference in work involved. I think most reasonable people would agree.
Sylvia DuBois 2 years ago
YTA because she ordered party make up and you did a bridal make up. You should have told the difference in price and product used the minute you knew this was a wedding. You could have explained the difference and let her choose if she wanted to upgrade. If she wanted a budget make up job that might not stand out in pictures, that's her deal.
Bob Cakin 2 years ago (edited)
Yeah... the makeup artist is totally a scammer on this one. She probably saw the price for bridal makeup and ACTIVELY opted to go for the party make-up instead to get the supposedly worse but more affordable option (I doubt they were actually trying to hide the fact she was a bride and instead just thought they were going for the cheaper/worse service which is why someone "let it slip"). This is because usually when a service has a DIFFERENT price... that means the service is performed DIFFERENTLY. The MUA choosing to tell her they were charging her for bridal make-up which cost more even though the bride asked for party makeup just was them flat out admitting to everyone there that they upcharge brides because they know they can exploit their emotions and that's all! They don't do anything extra. They don't use better materials. The only reason they are charging more is because they've learned that brides will traditionally pay more right off the bat to get what they THINK is a better service than usual. This is exploitative capitalism at its worst people!
Matt Kuntz 2 years ago
Not only are YTA, but any of these commentary that think otherwise are AH's as well! If I go to McDonalds and ask for cheeseburger, but they see I'm a fat guy, so they give me a Big Mac and Fries, they don't get to charge me more! Even if they did give me more than I asked for! 2nd, all I asked for was a cheeseburger, who the hell are you to decide what I want or am going to get! As a service provider, all you are legally allowed to do is create the menu, so to say, you don't get to make the decisions for the customer! If they want a $150 job, on their Wedding day, that is their choice, see the problem with the MA line of thinking is, you still have to get the customer to AGREE to PAY you, and give you the money! Because until you get paid, you don't have any money at all for your more expensive service, that YOU decided the BRIDE was going to get! Are you told what makeup you get when you go to buy makeup? Not only are YTA, but a dumb A at that! In customer service, you work for the
Mary Wegscheider 2 years ago
Wedding up prices are ridiculous. If I paid $500 for makeup I better look like Angelina Jolie. You can’t put $500 worth of product on a face. They do the same with flowers. My bouquets was 12 long stem roses in April. I was charged $250! So sad they feel the need to overcharge.
Holly King 2 years ago
I’m so glad that all of the comments agree that the MUA is an a**hole! I was worried there when I saw some people agreeing with her on the Reddit post. She probably had some of her friends post for her or she made other accounts and posted herself to make it seem like she had people on her side 🤣😭 because anyone who thinks that the MUA is in the right here has gotta be delusional.
Load More Replies... Amanda Kai 2 years ago
If you're going to charge different prices for different makeup packages, you need to specify what is included in each package, including delineating what extras come with the bridesmaid and bridal packages. You cannot charge more simply because someone is a bridesmaid or a bride. That is price gouging and it is wrong. If a bridesmaid or bride wants a more simple package that costs less, than that is their choice. I personally would change the labels for all your packages and call them something else like silver, gold, and platinum packages, or basic, deluxe, and premium, or something like that.
Caleb R 2 years ago
Totally the AH, though to be perfectly honest, make-up prices are a scam in general, since pigments are generally pretty cheap, especially if they're synthetic pigments (natural pigments are a different matter). My mechanic doesn't charge me more per hour than he does for my wife's car just because it's an Infiniti and she has a Nissan, it's just a standard rate.
Krystal Lloyd 2 years ago
Makeup artist is the ah. If customer asked for regular party makeup, give it to them. Bride didn't ask for special treatment. I definitely would not like that person in RL what an arrogant person thinking they can price gouge after the fact.
Jitka Polakova 2 years ago
Yta. You should give her party make-up you usually do and leave. You agreed the price, she ordered a simple make-up.
Francesca Pesca 2 years ago
I got married a few years ago and me and my husband decided to get married with a very low budget. Every time I had to talk with suppliers I always mentioned it was for a party.. I never asked anything extra, just the exact same things you would need for any king of garden party. Of course I was completely honest with friends I have hired for the event or every other supplier who needed to know what kind of party it was to make the right design. I am organizing a party and I have every right to don't mention what kind of party it is, if that doesn't effects in any way the amount and quality of your work. Some people really care about the wedding and they want everything to be perfect, others just want to have fun without spending a fortune and have the right to do that too
Jitka Polakova 2 years ago
I ordered "party cake" for my wedding. It was 20% less than the same wedding cake - I got their pricelist afterwards. This wedding tax annoys me.
Load More Replies... Bryan Daly 2 years ago
I bet the bride didn't even lie. I bet she thought there was levels to this person's ridiculous pricing points and just wanted the basic party makeup. And then to use the more expensive setting spray and not disclose that information? Hope this artist's company gets major backlash from this crazy stunt
Amber P. 2 years ago (edited)
I can't believe there's anyone saying the bride is in the wrong. She didn't lie. She probably looked at the prices and was like, "well c**p, the bridal makeup is way too expensive so party makeup it is." Like any normal person, she probably assumed they were two different looks. Not just about where she was going afterwards. Who would think that? That's beyond messed up. Makeup artist is the AH and a scam artist.
Impetus 2 years ago
This is one of the few AITA posts that I'm totally sure is legit, because if you make up a story you'd at least try to make the AH more sympathetic. So 1- $350 upcharge just because it's a wedding when everything else is the same? Not okay. But you set your prices, so let's move on to 2. You didn't say anything until after you were done, and *then* said it would be almost 3 times as much as the price agreed upon at booking because if you've already done it you figure she can't argue anymore. Just so much no.
William Catlin 2 years ago
I'll sell you this car. If you only use it to go to work, it costs $15k. If you use it for leisure, it costs $35k.
Becky Sue Anderson 2 years ago
Yta. You had an agreement with the client BEFORE you did her makeup. She doesn't need to disclose to you what occasion she is wanting her makeup done for. Would you charge her different if she was getting it done before she attended a funeral or a bris, some photo shoot or a backyard BBQ? I hope you rethink your business tactics and maybe try not to be so damn greedy. Jeeze
Sandra Henry 2 years ago
She asked for a party look, give her a party look and charge her for that. If she was trying to deceive you, she would not have brought you to her house. You blew it..you could have done some business there, instead you just lost business
Valerie Quevedo 2 years ago (edited)
I am sick and tired of greedy vendors doubling and tripling their prices as soon as they hear the “W” word. I am ALL FOR telling floral vendors it’s for a family reunion and telling cake vendors it’s for a birthday. Stop forcing couples to start off their marriage in massive debt just because you think you can get away with charging an arm and a leg. Shame on ALL of you. And this is coming from a photographer who has done plenty of weddings.
MidnightProphecy 2 years ago
The only different between prices was a setting spray. You absolute massive AH.
Reyn-Guo 2 years ago
Can someone explain to me how the same EXACT service can justify a higher price based on the occasion? That makes no sense and just sounds like selective extortion. I'm a retired ASE Master Automotive Technician with over 30 years of experience and my hourly labor rate was the same regardless of whether you drove a VW Bug or Bentley.
Rawbin Luxenburg 2 years ago
If you order a birthday cake at a bakery, it’s one price. If you order a wedding cake at the same bakery, it will cost 3 times as much or more. You can use the birthday cake at a wedding, it just won’t be as beautifully detailed. However, if you order a birthday cake, the bakery cannot dictate what you use it for OR triple the price just because you changed the name of the party. If the makeup artist agreed to do the cheaper party makeup job on the woman, she should do only that and nothing more. She should charge that price and nothing more. To silently change the job and the price was unprofessional. The bride only wanted a cheap makeup job. Maybe that’s all she could afford. Maybe she never wears makeup and any makeup was better than none, so the party makeup job was more than enough for her special day. Instead the bride is left to remember a horrible scene on the morning of her wedding. Bad word of mouth could really ruin a small business. Karma might take care of TA.
astrolover 95 2 years ago
So many people kept saying that the bride was a liar so OP was justified. How did she lie exactly? It's not like she specifically told OP that it was just a normal party and not a wedding, she just asked to be given the normal party treatment. Besides, even if the bride did straight up lie, OP could never be justified in making the decision in place of the bride to give them a more expensive treatment then charging them for that despite the bride asking for the cheaper treatment. It would be like a restaurant finding out it's my birthday, bringing me a desert I didn't ask for, then trying to charge me for the desert. Then you have the problem that OP said the only difference between bridal and party was a setting spray. There is no way that 1 product difference could justify a price difference of $350.
mind yours 2 years ago
tbh even if she did outright say "I'm not a bride" to start with, I'm still on her side. it's not the make up artists's business what she's doing with her day, she is providing a service and getting paid for that service, no one is required to be scrupulously honest with a stranger.
Load More Replies... Emerald Gal28 2 years ago
She wanted a party make up look not a bridal make up look so be professional and take it as it is.charge her as promised. There's one time a girl came up to me and told me it is for prom teadance so I did a light make up for her then I found out it was for a competition oh hell...I went up a few notch and made sure the make up is suitable for the lights during her competition,charged at THE SAME AMOUNT AS PROMISED. she is grateful cos I didn't charge extra,her mom gave me the full amount the next week when she found out from tea dance and beauty competition make up proce difference was 170. I didn't make a fuss cos obviously she didn't have that money.Guess what...I gained more customers after that and yes they were frank with me about being on a budget etc but they gave me more money to repay when they have it. You are indeed the A*****E.
Jonathan Cronise 2 years ago
Yeah YTA. There's a reason I searched for a generic ring rather than an engagement ring to propose. If I got the same ring I had ordered, and they charged me triple because they found out it was for an engagement, I would sue for false advertising.
Dina Anastasakos 2 years ago
OP is the AH! The wedding industry is such a sham and use weddings as an excuse to gouge people. When l got married l asked a florist about a bouquet...because l said wedding, she quoted me $300! So l went to an upscale grocery store and got an amazing onw for $40! This make up artist is just another wedding scammer.
James Thomas 2 years ago
Makeup artist....come on down...your the next contestant on Your The Ahole
Ken 2 years ago
Talk about the sense of entitlement. 100% AH!!!! Probably the same person who complains about corporate "greed." This is like going to buy a greeting card and finding out the wedding cards are 3 times more expensive than the special occasion cards, so you buy the special occasion card, but the cashier finds out it's for a wedding and demands you pay the difference. Even better, you find out that you can buy the same wedding gift for a third of the price, but don't get all the frills (none) of using a wedding registry, but the store says we heard that was actually a wedding gift so we've charged your card the difference. You don't get to dictate what products/services a person chooses to purchase simply based on what you think you deserve.
Leah 2 years ago
Definitely AH! Instead of being a responsible adult and clarifying things you decided to be petty and upcharge her once you realized she was a bride. All you had to do was ask if she was a bride and then layout the differences between what you offer and the prices. Instead you just decided to go ahead with the pricier version which was outside of your original agreement. It sounds more like you offer a basic, premium, or deluxe package and she chose the basic package. You're like a cable company. You say one price and then charge way more after the agreement has been made.
James Morrison 2 years ago
To make a comparison, that's like if I was buying a present for some one, let's say an Xbox. I don't tell them it's a present and it costs $300 however when I go to buy wrapping paper they charge me an extra $600, saying they didn't know it was a present. If the bride is paying for you party make up service, and that is what your providing for her and agreed to provide her before hand. It doesn't matter if she is a bride, she is paying for your party make up service, unless they are literally the same and you just name them differently to rip patrons off the bride was 100% in the right.
Xandyr Wlkyr 2 years ago
I have no idea where the OP or those saying she is NTA are coming from. It's unethical to base a difference in prices for basically the same good or service simply on the intended use of the product, unless there are additional testing, regulatory, tax or liability costs involved that are legally imposed somehow. All that should figure into the price are the economics of the materials, labor and overhead.
Raimei Ai 2 years ago
She asked for party make-up, I assume, knowing that it wasn't the same quality as the bridal! Artist never confirmed that SHE was the bride and just assumed. Never tried to talk to the woman about the price changes and quality changes, just went ahead and did as she pleased. Then after all that she decides that she must be paid more. Wtf??? They made no effort on their part and just did whatever they wanted. What if the bride didn't want the bridal treatment due to the products that are used. Some people look into this stuff before hand due to allergies. (I know I do!!!!) You can't decide something without talking it over first! If you felt cheated then you should have said something before-hand rather than just surprise them with additional charges! This pisses me right the f off!!! As an artist myself, I ask every detail someone wants before even deciding on a price, and I get that a drawing is different but some of them can take days for me to do. (Also I'm a terrible haggler...)
Will I Will-Ham 2 years ago
Yeah the op is dev 100% the ah(arschloch) here. People like u are the reason most civiliced countrys have consumer protection. I quess you are from the usa? Charging extra without informing the customer would be fraud and charging extra without delivering extra service too.
Eliza 2 years ago
People say the OP is a con artist but I have to disagree as I think that is too nice of a title as this act is nothing more than discrimination in my eyes. In what other scenario would this even slightly be as contested if someone were to say "oh you are part of group x, good that means you owe me more for the simple reason that you are in group x" the fact that any people think this is OK in any scenario is disappointing. The fact that this is the state of the wedding industry is disgusting.
Microwave Chef 2 years ago
YTA OP, bride asked for a simple look, she didn't specify any extra makeup or something different than you do for the bridal party. If you're going to charge more for the bride, ask if client is a bride first. Idk much about makeup, but prices seem like a large amount without much of a difference in the products used. Since you found out she was the bride, you should have used the setting spray you use for the bridal party. Maybe change the names of the makeups. Like bridal party, special occasion and My day or something. Then use something better with each price increase. Yeah, she pulled one over on you, learn from the lesson and let it go. Word of mouth travels at the speed of an Instagram post.
Jackie Lulu 2 years ago
YTA. You made a contract. It's pretty cheesy to change the price part way thru the process. Next time you'll know better.
April Goetz 2 years ago
So the bride picked a package she could afford and the make up artist got pissed that she could only afford that and proceeded to try and rip her off and treat her like that? I hope she never gets another customer in her shop again she’s a pathetic excuse for a human.
Brian Clark 2 years ago
If I go to a restaurant and order an 8oz T-Bone steak and the waiter brings me a 24oz porterhouse because he sees I'm a fat dude, I'm not paying extra for that f*****g steak, because it's NOT what I asked for!
Robyn Jones 2 years ago
In pretty much any line of work it's generally considered to be scamming behavior to upcharge clients if the price was already agreed upon prior to the services being rendered. I get that it turned out she was a bride but OP admits that the client did not demand any preferential treatment and only wanted the normal party make up. This is basic price gouging behavior, IMO.
Shea Keenan 2 years ago
Wait, is the makeup artist admitting she doesn't do anything different for brides and bridal parties than she does for regular parties except charge more?! Oh, she's definitely a price gouging a*****e. I hope this gets plastered all over Yelp and other reviews.
Matt Mosher 2 years ago
Noticed the make-up artist went back and amended her story and said she mixed some special hair spray once she found out it was a bride. What really happened is she realized she was the AH from her own friends who called her out for charging more while using the same product so she changed her story and lied. What she did was slimy to begin with but to lie and change her explanation after the fact only confirms how dishonest she is.
Tiffany Edmonds 2 years ago
DEFINITELY the AH. Bride could simply be one of those people that doesn't like a lot of makeup and wanted a "simple" look regardless if she was getting married or not. It adds insult to injury that the MUA wasn't going to be onhand for any of the said touch ups or anything like that. She gets four thumbs down
Jjay Scoggins 2 years ago
Surprised, usually Op isn't the AH from what I've seen but this is actually malicious of them. They got party makeup quality, and asked for no better than party makeup quality. Regardless of the event it's for. Op is an AH and a con artist. Even further, if OP had in any way used more expensive material, or gone the extra length- the bride didn't ask for that, because clearly the brides in a budget. Genuinely foul to do something nice and then change the agreed terms after. But they didn't even do that, they wanted the money of bridal quality without delivering near that. Ugh
Larissa Sanders 2 years ago
The makeup artist is a greedy, scamming, rip-off of an AH! The client doesn't need to disclose why she's getting a service- that's HER business!!! She's just asking for your service and you agreed to it and gave her that service at an agreed upon price! You using your fancy little spray was a petty last-ditch effort to drum up how you would justify charging her more, when she didn't even ask for that! You saw an opportunity to be a Sheister and jumped on it! Who do you think you are to break an agreement with your client?! Shameful!
Tyler Hopwood 2 years ago
So, I 100% agree the makeup "artist" is a damn crook! Trying to take advantage of brides. If woman doesn't ask for anything extra, or special treatment, what does it matter where she is going with her "face"? That being said.... the only way I could possibly see the point of a similar situation with a much more reputable "known" makeup artist is in the following situation....bride secretly gets party makeup for her wedding from an artist, who is known for wedding makeup, then goes to wedding, guests say oh so beautiful... who did yer hair, makeup, etc.... "name drop here"... if I were the artist, at that point, I'd be really pissed. I personally would not want my name associated with that situation. If yer dropping my name at a wedding, where I perform my best work, with best products, etc, then no, I do not want my name associated with sub par work!!! Not at all. Word of mouth is how tons of ppl get business, and now my less than best party work is on display, as "Bridal Makeup!"
Rob Hansen 2 years ago
First of all: Where is the contract? No matter how small the job you (not should) MUST have a contract, for exactly this reason. A contract would state the parameters for each level of service clearly and definitively as well as the reasons. ie the fact that your company is being represented in those wedding photos and you will not allow the $150 service for those types of events, because (and this part I completely understand) when the bride posts those photos and tags your company, it's going to be your reputation that gets hurt because it's not your best work on display. If you don't have a contract.. then you have no case and you just screwed yourself over. Not having a contract tells me that you are not a professional; the fact that you didn't stop the session and make all of this clear when you made the realization, did work that was not asked of you and then tried to upcharge.. tells me that you are incredibly unprofessional. I would have told you to kick rocks as well.
Chris Sprucefield 2 years ago
I have done many a wedding shoots, and always had pre-set price for things. I did not care if they wanted some little extra or few extra pics taken, or going where else nearby for some special shot opportunity, as they paid for my time. Only if there were new requirements that would require extra costs on my part, would there be additional charges, but i would let them know this, and as they were very reasonable (extra mileage, additional kit use or required post-process time etc), nobody objected, as I was upfront and gave them the choice, and prices of such extras having already been provided beforehand with the quote and price list, so they would know already, no surprises. No con artistry like this "makeitup-as-you-go artist"...
Rob Hansen 2 years ago
That is what real professionalism looks like. Sounds like you've got your business well in hand.
Load More Replies... Scott Harrington 2 years ago
Makeup artist is an idiot. She asked for simple party makeup for a agreed upon price. She did NOT ask for wedding makeup. So for you to charge her for something you didn’t even do is fraud. My wife worked 20+ years in the makeup industry and $350 for a finishing spray is robbery. You should be ashamed of yourself. Just think all this could have been avoided with a little communication instead you just look like an a*s.
Bisces 2 years ago
Why do some of y'all think the Bride HAD to get bridal makeup? Just because she's a bride? She can get whatever she wants as long as she pays for it. She never lied, she didn't even say she was a bride. This would all be different if the situation was "Oh you're a bride? Well you have to pay $500 no matter what kind of makeup you get." Which is still iffy but that's not the situation. Maybe actually read the article?
TaKesha Potts 2 years ago
Let's be clear, the Only person in the wrong is the makeup artist. She was booked to apply her "Party makeup", package for $150. The Bride was NOT obligated to disclose what the occasion for this appointment was for. What if she'd booked an appointment for the party package just to sit in her living room? she'd still be paying $150 and the artist is being paid for what she was booked for. I wanna know how the Bride is considered the LIAR because she didn't mention she was getting married ⁉️ For those of you going against the BRIDE, Bet y'all never thought she jus wanted a simple look that complimented her on HER DAY⁉️ The makeup artist is a FRAUD!!!!! She was paying attention to a conversation that had nothing to do with her but took it upon herself to make mental adjustments to her client in the middle of their session without addressing it with the client first, why because she knew she would get push back, because "do what I'm paying and booked you for" PERIODTTT❗
Marina U 2 years ago
I heard from a make up artist that bridal make is more expensive because you meet before to discuss the make up, do even a trial sample. Otherwise it shouldn't be twice as expensive, maybe 50-100 more. Bridal make up could also be more expensive as it could require the bridesmaids make up done as well(assistant to come along).
Dennis Lee 2 years ago
This makeup artist is not wrong, but should have avoided letting emotions get the best of her. She couod have used upselling tactics by explaining the better process for brides and asking of she wanted that service. That, or she couod jave just done the party makeup and warned her about it not being as durable. It does not sound like she's a con artist, just agitated for being misled. Its no different than when a hotel is told the wrong number of guests. They have every right to charge more if they find out, but can do it in an appropriate way.
Lauren Tactikos 2 years ago
The makeup artist was wrong, because not only did she change the price after-the-fact, but did so without actually changing anything about the service/products that she provided. She decided that because the party that her customer was attending was her wedding, that she was entitled to the $500 that she normally charges brides. In most cases, this service costs more because there’s more work/product involved. There are often consultations, test runs so the client can see what they’ll look like, which gives them the opportunity to request changes (more/less, different shades, etc.), and a touch up kit included. Since they’re literally doing two or more makeovers, putting together a touch up kit, etc. they price the package accordingly.. That’s not what happened here. This MUA decided that the bride scammed her, when the bride simply chose a less involved service. They agreed on a party makeover, booked it, and the bride paid for it, and the MUA demanded $350 more for nothing.
Load More Replies... Jessica Johnson 2 years ago
Quite frankly it's not the makeup artist business what type of event she's going to she's just doing her job applying makeup for a fixed price both agreed upon between two parties.
Diana Buck 2 years ago
YTA, for sure. Let's carry this over to a different industry. If I order a wedding cake (tiered cake with detailed decoration, including transportation to the venue and possibly assistance with cutting portions) I can expect to pay a premium. If I order a single tier cake with the couple's names on top, and I pick it up myself, that should cost the same as a similar birthday cake. If you as a baker find out I'm using the cake for my wedding, you are not justified in tripling the price, even if you throw an extra rosette or two on there. And if your policy was to only provide wedding cakes when the client is a bride/groom, you would need to renegotiate instead of deciding to give me a different product (tiered cake) than what I ordered (simple single tier).
Ashley Campbell 2 years ago
If I was a makeup artist and charged $500 for bridal makeup, you would have the option for me to either come to your wedding or reception and I'm catching every tear that falls for that price. An extra $250 and I'll come to the wedding AND the reception and not a single drop will fall upon your face.
mind yours 2 years ago
"but she liiieeeedddd" and??? sorry, are some of these nta voters from a universe where a person providing a service is entitled to what their client is doing for the rest of the day? OP needs to get greed and entitlement under control, wow. imagine thinking any of us are obligated to disclose anything a service provider wants to know, so they can leverage it into more money while not changing the service???? absolutely not
Simon Chan 2 years ago
In which point did the bride lied? The bride asked for a party makeup, it didn't mean that she lied. Not everyone can and/or want to pay $500 for a full bridal makeup. Maybe the bride was satisfied with the quality of just party makeup. Assuming the bride lied is the main issue here. The bride asked for a party make up, that's it . The artist could either tell her the quality for the party makeup will not be the same as the bridal makeup, explain to the bride the difference between the two, and let the bride decide which one to go for before the actual makeup. The fact the artist went on assuming it's a wedding so she need to do the bridal makeup, not communicating with the bride, then went on asking for $500, that's the main problem here. It's like going to a car dealership asking for an oil change which cost only $100. Then the bill came and it's $1000 because there's an engine problem. They fixed it without telling you, now you need to pay $1000. See the problem here?
Shane 2 years ago
All the people who say the bride was at fault are victim blaming. The bride set an appointment for party makeup at $150 dollars. That is what she wanted. Just because she's the bride doesn't give the artist the right to adjust amount owed if what the artist did was party makeup. If you went to Starbucks and asked for a medium black coffee, then they gave you a medium black coffee, but charged you for a large mocha latte would that be ethical?
Christina MacKinnon 2 years ago
Sorry, but just because it is a woman’s wedding day does not mean that you get to charge more. I have been married twice, and did my own makeup both times. I look fabulous in my wedding photos. It doesn’t matter what reason the woman is having her makeup done - either do it right, regardless of the reason, or don’t take on the customer! My daughter had her makeup done for her prom, and they charged extra because they knew the occasion. She looked like a HOOKER! Disastrous. You either do the makeup for whatever the occasion, or don’t. No excuse for charging an extra amount for the occasion. If I am wrong, then someone tell me the justification for charging extra because of the occasion someone wants a professional makeup job done… Just do it right, no matter the reason….
Tamara Williams 2 years ago
She calls the bride a liar, sneaky, trying to get a bridal look for a party price? It's clearly the other way around. Based on the OP's own words she lied by omission. She didn't admit to the client beforehand that party makeup doesn't do well in pics. Who would pay 150 for makeup that doesn't do well in pics? Isn't that the point of paying for a professional? Now the sneaky part. She overheard the word "bride or wedding". This happened DURING her doing the makeup. So OP decides to do an expensive spritz of setting spray without any discussion. AFTER she demands 350 on top of the agreed upon price! Admitting the only difference was the sneaky spritz. In her own words bridal make-up usually includes a full day, practice make-up, ect.. Demanding a bridal pay for an agreed upon party service. Instead of looking at this day with embarrassment. The OP decided to reveal she's more scam artist then makeup artist. I think she got the extra 50 bucks to leave before causing more of a scene.
Gwen Gaggiano 2 years ago
YTA. $350 for a different type of spray? I'd rather do my own makeup and not use spray at all. What a scam. You had a deal with the bride. Besides, what if she was just getting ready for a bachelorette party and not the main event?
Get Jinxed 2 years ago
Yta obviously. For ethical make up artist wedding makeup includes higher quality make, taking more time on make up, a trial run etc. If a client doesn't want that or can't afford it they have no responsibility to disclose what it is for as they will be the basic make up service. Soeven if you provide all that after being hired to do basic make up yta for providing a service no one asked. But you didn't even do that it seems like u are just a scam artist who provides no additional quality and just upcharge ppl over 200% because it there special day and most ppl assume there will be higher quality. Do you disclose to all ur clients that the only thing the 350$ extra charge for wedding make up is better spray before being hire? Going to go out on a limb and say no so stfu with the "lie" claim as u lie and deceive everyone bride that you do make up for. If I was her I would of taken you to small claims court and reported you to the better business bureau
Lee W 2 years ago
Yeah the makeup artist is wrong. Also I HATE when articles use acronyms without explaining them. AITA= Am I The A$$hole ESH= Everyone Sucks Here NTA= Not The A$$hole The internet makes up acronyms everyday and some of them are specific to communities (ex. Makeup community using MUA for Make Up Artist) or social media sites (ex: reddit. Redditors love their acronyms and literally each subreddit has their own acronyms). It just makes life easier to state the acronym meaning at least once in the article and I'm sure most writing styles have this as a rule; MLA, APA, AMA
That one dummy thicc GOOMBA 2 years ago
Bro i need to know this makeup artist so i can recommend that she never get business again, as she is obviously not a real bridal makeup artist. What the f**k?
Damita 2 years ago
In the end the makeup artist was deceptive. It takes an hour or so to do the makeup. She was greedy. She lost possible business contracts. She could have so and discussed the misunderstanding with the bride... see what negotiated price works be agreeable... if it was the lowest price honor her stated agreement.... and load her up with business cards for all the referrals due to come her way. The artist was extremely short sighted. If she is paying taxes and running a legitimate business.... she could have written it off as an operating loss. How stupid. She must have been desperately poor to do something like that
Edward Gore 2 years ago
Did not read the entire article, but this is one of the first times I saw "YTA" overwhelmingly typed🤣🤣🤣🤣
Annisa Nova 2 years ago
Can't you sue the make up artist? That's definitely a scam there. Seriously. The bride might be someone that want to have a small wedding and just want to have a wedding for the sake of it. Not for show on socmed or c**p and just want to look decent so she's looking for the "cheap" one.
Cathy Thornton 2 years ago
She is the a*****e she asked for party make up not bridal it doesn't matter that her party makeup is being used for her wedding. She's using the same product she'd use . She literally Said it was the same thing . She just wants to take advantage of her being a bride and get more money out of her when she has no right .
Bonnie Parker 2 years ago
Having worked in expensive salon and spa....the OP is totally the AH...customer MAY BE A BRIDE... but asked for no special treatment. No extra products... The makeup artist heard BRIDE and without discussion used a different setting... but same make up, same amount of time...and no extra discussion yet asked for 350 more?! thats absurd... You may have a skillset...but youre missing customer service and communication skills and....if you ONLY used a different setter, but used the same makeup, tools and amount of time, you dont get to charge an extra 350 ...you didnt use your "skills" at all... op is definitely the AH.
Vincent Williams 2 years ago
Its none of the makeup artist business if the client is going to actual party, wedding, family,business dinner, school reunion or whatever else after getting make up done. So the idea that the client hid something is absurd. The client ordered the party makeup. That is what the make up artist should have provided because the client didn't ask for bridal makeup. I hope the client sues the makeup artist for trying to scam her. If I go to taco bell during lunch and order the 5 dollar box they can't charge me more if I decide to save it for dinner, nor can they add things to it without telling me and expect me to pay for those added things. So yes the makeup artist is a scammer and jerk.
MattLikesGaming 2 years ago
Im a guy and know the woman was being scammed. She didn't ask for special treatment. She just wanted makeup done. Unchanging 350 just because is a jerk move. All things being equal what the artist did was wrong.
Desiree Beasley 2 years ago
That’s a RIP OFF PRICE! I just recently had my wedding. The gal traveled to my location did my bridal Make up AND BRIDAL HAIR. So all together I paid 350.
Jackson Marcotte 2 years ago
If you ask for a simple white cake at $20, but you find out its for a wedding rather than a grad party, so you decide to use fancy no-melt icing, but upcharge the cake to $100 without asking, that’s shady business. Offer to make it a long lasting wedding cake by *communicating* to your client. If they refuse, and just want a simple cake you agreed to, give them the food they requested.
Hannah 2 years ago
OPs the AH. The difference between bridal isn't the product or the amount of work done. Nothing changes but the event. It's like charging more for birthday party makeup vs a just because college party makeup. You're still doing the same amount of work, they're just going somewhere different once they leave your business. Pricing should be based off of product used and elaborate-ness of work. Not what their purpose is once they leave your business.
Sean Leary 2 years ago
Makeup artist isn't just an AH, she's a complete POS. Small, medium and Large. The time of day you order doesn't change the small size to cost as much as the large. She's not a makeup artist, she's a scam artist that other people's business is her business. $500 is too much for that bs, it's no wonder folks are trying to lie. Thankfully, her little gravy train is just about over.
Peggy Travis 2 years ago
Bwaaaaaha, to any of those prices. That just goes to show, there are scammers everywhere, and people who fall for it.
Bill billybob 2 years ago
Yep the artist is the AH. If she used the same products for both party and bride then the price should be the same, regardless of the event. Sounds like a huge scam to me. I wouldn't have paid her any extra.
Kristina Lyublinskaya 2 years ago
Yup you're an overpriced a*s. You could still give a bride a party look, which is what you were booked for. She didn't ask you for mixing some "higher" end setting sprays b******t either
Courtney Bostwick 2 years ago
She is 100% the AH. Woman asked for party makeup not bridal makeup. Probably trying to save some money. If it didn't include setting spray or look as good thats on, thats what she wanted and what she afford. Its not up to you to decide to do more than she asked and expect her to pay for it. Thats just stupid
Joseph Eichhorn 2 years ago
You should charge her for what she asked for nothing more and nothing less.
TC Bowen 2 years ago
The make-up artist should have disclosed the price difference before moving forward. Also, don't assume the bride was being sneaky. Maybe she wanted a "party" look instead of the "bridal" look. What is someone wasn't a bride but wanted bridal make for a photo shoot? Show them all the options, then let them choose the look they want based and they can determine if that artist fits in their budget. She may have just sabotaged her own business and lost potential clients.
Weston Kerbs 2 years ago
Yep, YTA. She didn't even lie. She wanted party makeup for her wedding. That's all. If my car has dents and I want a tune up, you don't get to just decide to fix the dents and then charge me for that too.
Crystal Maynor 2 years ago
How can you assume she lied just because she asked for a simple party make up. well maybe she didn't want a lot of makeup so she went with party not bride not for nothing you should have stopped doing her make up and talked about it instead you choose to continue and that's your fault not hers ARTIST IS A A*S
Annette 2 years ago
YTA. 100%. Unchanging an $350 for brides ? Do you realize how much weddings cost ? You agreed to $150. You should have taken the money that you agreed to. Personally I would have told you f**k off and not give you a dime. I'd tell you to sue me. I hope she tells EVERYONE on yelp about your experience. Make sure you let everyone know what happened. Hopefully she'll never get a job in your town.
Skully Bats 2 years ago
To the redditors & ya'll in the comments saying "YTA" are entitled AH. The client straight up lied to OP to save 350 bucks when she straight up knew the price was 500 for her services for bridal makeup. It's not OPs fault that the client turned out to be such a karen. It's honestly outright ridiculous to think that OP is the AH here because cause it's her services so she can charge however she wants cause ohhh I don't knoow IT'S HER SKILLSET and she makes money off of that skillset. When you're booking somebody for a service and you see their prices, you DO NOT lie to them to get a cheaper price! That is not okay! If you can't afford their price then you get somebody else, super easy barely inconvenience!
Bisces 2 years ago
1. The bride didn't lie 2. People can't save money anymore?
Load More Replies... gail smith 2 years ago
The makeup artist was wrong and I would not have paid the extra money if Thatvwas not what we agreed ti do. She should have given the lady what she chose and moved on.
Iifa A. 2 years ago
YTA. If I wanted bridal make up I would have asked for it specifically. Some of us don't want to spend on a face 500. I would expect the makeup artist.to provide.me the service I paid for. Changing price because your customer is a bride is unprofessional. Materials and skills are same, therefore price is same. Bridal makeup has a pretrial, did you offer?Let's be honest party make up has to withstand a party. Wedding makeup has to weather, party, photoshoot, compliment the wearer, lighting and last all day/night. Party makeup for 150, I can touch up myself, 500 makeup I expect to not need touch up Scam was correct. At this point I would have asked break of invoice for party and wedding makeup. And I would report the artist. Speaking from experience, my niece does make up for personal occasions and for theatre. She charges same for simple makeup, doesn't care for occasions. Charges same for wedding makeup and Halloween because these have to look and last throughout day regardless issue
Ezigma 2 years ago
How can you charge that much more just because of setting spray?!
Load More Replies... Bunnie Hartley 2 years ago
She overheard she was a bride that doesn't mean her wedding was that day. Especially if she not wear a dress or her underneath clothes. But she could've been going to her bachelorette party. But the makeup artist would never know because she never bother to ask. And honestly her price are pretty.B.s if think about she openly admits only finding out she was a bride halfway through the process. Not the second she started. Same supplies, same amount of effort. You can't tell me she started with party makeup and change to bride mid through and expected $500 That like charging someone more if they went club vs a party.
Leanna Krys 2 years ago
wow, totally the AH. Such is the wedding industry I suppose. I don't see it as lying at all if you are a bride trying to avoid the dreaded "wedding tax". As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to specify ANYTHING is for a wedding unless there is actually something that you know is worth paying the extra amount for. Chances are, the cake, flowers, or in this case, makeup, would typically be fairly close to the same as what you would normally get without that "tax" added on after saying the magic word of "wedding". Same thing with funerals, honestly. It's ridiculous.
Liz Miner 2 years ago
Besides the fact that Wedding makeup charges typically include a trial, Id think wedding makeup would be more elaborate than party makeup. And what does she charge for other formal events like proms? The bride probably thought the wedding set came with extra something amd didnt want it opting for the party set. I wanna kick ppl like the OP in the.. AH!
Xiomara Arthur 2 years ago
She should have kept working on her regular makeup and not make the bride pay extra. She wanted the 500 so badly she forced this lady on it. The whole thing is that if someone wants the extra beautification they will pay for it, not forced into it. I wouldn't have pay the makeup artist. The Mua was a bichtchhhhh
John Riches 2 years ago
This reminds me when I was getting married. Wanted to get Stag & Doe (Jack & Jill) tickets printed. Twice as much as business cards, so I ordered business cards!
shinshige 2 years ago
I don’t know what’s happening to me lately. I feel like the older I get, the more [Conservative, capitalist, Republican, whatever] I get. I mean, historically, I can absolutely not see charging different prices for the same applications. If it’s the same work, then the labor value of money dictates this is the same amount of price to charge for each application. I don’t know when this changed, but now, I see this as she’s an artist. And she’s the business owner. She can charge whatever she decides to charge. The market system works in a way that if she says this is what I charge and someone says I don’t want to pay that, then they don’t pay that. If she says that’s what I charge, and then someone says yes, I agree to that, and then they pay it, that’s just the way it is. If someone says I’m charging price A for service A, and price C for service C, you don’t get to just say, “I want price A for service C.” That’s not how markets work.
BusyLizzy 2 years ago
That would be a fair point if service A was different to service C. But if you want to be able to double your prices on a whim, you shouldn't be surprised or angry if customers decline to give you all the facts.
Load More Replies... Lily 6 months ago
No. OP is the AH. You may the choice to do bridal makeup, that's not what she wanted, she just wanted party makeup. You assume she was deceiving you, and it doesn't sound like it. You make it out to be a big scam by her, no, you just made up your mind and did it on your own. She just wanted party makeup, and that's what you do.
Sharon Switzer 6 months ago
Make up artist definite the AH. If she asked for the party makeup then that is what you should have stuck to. You using your "bride" setting spray is on you and not her.
Raven Hayden Rudnik 6 months ago
Charging way more for no reason other then the fact that someone is having the Wedding is riddiculous. For 350 she could buy all the setting Sprays in sephora probably xd. I really hate the fact that people are artifficially making up prices because Wedding industry is so pumped. I just refuse to pay that. If I want a simple make up, what does it matter if I go to a Wedding, birth day party, funeral of my ex or my own home xd. The Service is the same. You cant change the price mid Service
vanilla chan 1 year ago
ppl saying nta don't seem to get that what op doing is literally a scam. yea it's "different products" according to op, but it's none of op's business what their clients do with their "lesser" makeup. besides some spray the only difference is that op decided there was a difference
i0ana 2 years ago (edited)
YTA,you are a scammer! -_- (btw,what do you do for 500?? using real diamonds, gold,or something similar?? Client didnt asked for a fancy "bride makeup" ,altho you claim you used specific bride makeup products after you heard some ppl mention there is a wedding there? LMAO! Did you asked the bride about that??? Did she agreed with it?? Or you just did it to justify your 350 extra at the end?? She asked for a SPECIFIC MAKEUP,no matter what the ocasion was! You been paid more that the actual price and you are still angry???
Devon M 2 years ago
This is insane. In 2019 my husband and I eloped. We decided to spend our wedding money on an epic two week vacation and got married on a cruise ship in Miami that then took us to Mexico and Belize. Absolutely amazing. Anyways, my one big splurge was on hair and makeup because I have never been good at those things and wanted to look amazing for my new husband. I found a small beauty salon a few blocks from our hotel. Two girls actually came to our hotel room the morning of our wedding and did an amazing job. Ive never looked prettier! And the total cost was 300.00, in Miami, where I imagine beauticians can charge a premium for weddings. This makeup artist in this post is a fraud and a con. 500.00 for wedding makeup is ridiculous, makes me sick.
Kara Morris 2 years ago
The OP is definitely TAH. Even if she did change the makeup upon finding out the customer was a bride, I would NOT have paid the extra afterwards. IF something was going to be changed, then it needed to be brought up DURING the application/when the OP decided to do something different. In this case, it's even worse because the OP only used a different setting spray. That's it. If the OP was being HONEST about her charging the extra, she would've brought it up when she found out. Instead, she tried to scam her out of more $. As many others have said, they had a verbal contract, & the customer chose a specific package. End of story.
Lunasgma 2 years ago
IMHO the woman asked for party makeup. So give her party makeup and take your 150. You had no right to give her so called "bridal makeup" without asking her if she was ok with the price. She should report you to BBB and give you a FIERY SCATHING review on yelp. Yes you my dear makeup artist ARE the A- hole.
parisa parvizi 2 years ago
This happens in Iran too. Since ages ago. I also lied for my engagement makeup and felt awful and my mom which knew I hate lying went and told them and BAM backslash .... The mother of the makeup artist which owned the salon told us : "She should learn from this and not use her good material simply...." I just laughed , apologized, left and never went back... Like WTF... I just said I need a simple makeup... not bridal just simple...
Amie Overby Fowlkes 2 years ago
Makeup Artist is DEFINITELY 100% AH!!! Frankly I'm shocked that you have any business. You are a SCAM ARTIST NOT A MAKEUP ARTIST
James Loong 2 years ago
Here in Malaysia, a Chinese bridal makeup is definitely charged more. BUT normally that would include morning session and also the dinner session. Price is justified as the makeup artist is somewhat with you the whole day.
Gaby Gallegos 2 years ago
It doesn't matter what industry you're in, once you give out an estimate you respect and honor that estimate. Does not matter if you had to buy more materials, tools, etc. out of pocket. That's on you for not finding out more before giving out your estimate.
LJ Armstrong 2 years ago (edited)
Both the makeup artist and the bride were in the wrong. Both practiced deceitful tactics to acquire more for less. If the bride is lying about make up, I can only imagine what other lies she wheels. If the makeup artist is pushing forward when she discovers the lie, she should have stopped and communicated accordingly. If the bride didn't want to pay then the makeup artist should have refused service to the bride. The mom throwing money at the makeup artist was classless and degrading of herself, not of the makeup artist. This was an unhealthy exchange by all 3 involved.
Moch Cham 2 years ago
I don't even understand how people still said that she is NTA. Like the bride ask for a simple party look NOT bridal makeup look. You're the MUA, you're supposed to do what the clients ask you to do AND how is a few sprints of setting spray charged 350$?? Are them spray made from diamond or summ?
Clifford Stokes 2 years ago
This is disgusting Behavior overcharging Brides and their families just because they're getting married how Despicable and disgusting can you be Caterers do the same thing I have a friend who owns a catering company he overcharges weddings and for parties and business Affairs he charges less for the same amount of work this is disgusting and horrible and these con artists need to be stopped they are praying on brides and their families during their happiest time
Clifford Stokes 2 years ago
Sorry to but I don't not like this con artist of a makeup artist why should it cost more for brides this is no different than catering they want to charge you more for weddings than they do parties how do I know my friend owns a catering company and they do the same thing they love to overcharge weddings to get more money this is disgusting and horrible practice
Angeline Gresso 2 years ago
The client did not ask for expensive makeup or champagne. She asked for a party look and if that's what she wanted, the artist had NO RIGHT to charge her extra for the look she wanted just because of who she is and what the occasion was. It doesn't matter what the occasion, she asked for partyakeup for her wedding and that's he choice, not the artist's.
Winter Eleven 2 years ago
The make up artist should just do the less expensive, not long lasting make up and just let the bride have it smudged or whatever happens to not-lasting makeup that's reserved for the "party make-up" (no idea of make-up products whatsoever)
Rob Hansen 2 years ago
The problem is it's the 'artists' reputation that gets smudged when her company is tagged in those photos. That's the only part of the OP's reasoning that holds any weight. She still handled it very unprofessionally. Should have had a contract to state all of this and then the client would be in breach of said contract and she would be protected. She needs to learn how to run a business, she's not a professional until that happens.
Load More Replies... Chris Sprucefield 2 years ago
You don't get to change the price AFTER the agreement for a specific service just because you find that there's different circumstances behind. In many places, that is not even legal, as you quoted her a certain price which can not deviate more than about 10%, she entered into a contract based on that quotation, and you then did a bait and switch demanding further payment solely on that she was a bride, not what you delivered. 100% YTA.
Heather DeVies 2 years ago
YTA. She didn't ask for the bridal treatment because she couldn't afford that package, and asked for a more economic package. OP didn't discuss the differences or the upcharge, she just surprised her with an outrageous bill at the end. Sneaky, poor business syrategy, unethical treatment of a client. 100% AH
Manish Sharma 2 years ago
So she basically agrees that bridal make up is party makeup plus 350 for nothing,
Nurse956 2 years ago
Wth is wrong with this make up artist? The bride shouldnt even have given her the money when she was that greedy and doesnt deserve respect. Bride didnt ask for bridal make up but a simple part makeup which mostly artist use much cheaper and affordable make up. I have 2 make up artist in London and both are highly skilled with higher degree in make up industry from London. They are even shocked and said they give service for what customers asks. Bridal make up is more work with high end make up and more time and often with face mask and etc etc. While party make is lighter and affordable make up and less time. She wanted part look and charge her for party look and thats it and it doesnt matter whether she will be heading to some funeral or wedding.
Best life ever 2 years ago
She was absolutely in wrong (the makeup artist) hope people now see who she is and doesn't get more business. Glad she ousted herself as a rip-off and cheat. Sometimes people want simple makeup for wedding and no big fuss and shouldn't pay extra just cause of day. So if I'm bride going to courthouse or having small home wedding I should pay for make up 5x more just cause you hear bride ? You can't change price either once negotiations done and did work and expect it. Had none of family been there wouldn't have known nor see chance to scam more out. Not to mention what horrible way to start brides day fighting with makeup artist. Many of you so called artist in hair makeup etc are way overrated 🙄 and want too much . I can do great makeup and do everyday but maybe just want on special day someone else to but shouldn't be taken advantage of by over pricing you can keep your BS setting spray too for so much.
Megzymonsta 2 years ago
100% the AH. This woman asked for a service and agreed the price. She didn't try to get anything extra and would likely not have even have said she was the bride if someone else hadn't accidentally mentioned it. It's like someone ordering a bouquet of flowers then the seller finding out they're for a wedding and deciding to charge more than 3X the agreed price for the same bouquet. I usually agree with service providers for getting upset when people try to get products for cheaper but this bride asked for a basic service with no perks and got exactly that. I have to wonder if this make-up artist is a scammer if they think it's acceptable to charge someone an extra £350 for £150 worth of work
Jacquette Harris 2 years ago
You decided to use the bridal makeup on your own without disgusting it with the Clint and then ends up arguing with her on her wedding day because you tried to ripping her off shame on you you should have refunded her
Tre Parker 2 years ago
Same problem as a photographer; I get asked to shoot weddings for $500 which is a fraction of what I should be paid.
Rosa Tapia 2 years ago
Yeah that's so wrong to try and change the price. If she said party makeup it doesn't matter what she gets party makeup and price!
Gavin Bownes 2 years ago
One reason for wedding up charge is it's a hassle. Weddings have to be perfect, people can be demanding, aggressive and a hassle when it comes to them. So while I agree there should be an upcharge, 350 extra is excessive especially when you bait and switch at the end.
Lauren Tactikos 2 years ago
Yeah, but none of that was the reason for the up charge. This MUA found out that she was applying makeup to a bride and not just some party goer, and decided to add $350 to the price. The prices should be based on the services provided, not the whims of the person charging them. This MUA didn’t say the bride expected more than what she’d ordered. She said that she finished the makeup and then demanded an extra $350 for literally nothing. The setting spray story is nonsense that she apparently added after the fact because she realized that people thought she was in the wrong. This MUA didn’t provide a touch up kit, or do a trial run first as one would expect from a service that costs more than triple the price. She just got annoyed because she felt the bride tricked her. That’s nonsense, unless she’s admitting that she charges three different prices for the exact same thing. If that’s the case, she’s a scammer. Different packages should offer different services/products.
Load More Replies... Larfy D. Lorly 2 years ago
Make up artist. More like a scam artist. Pathetic. People have to work hard all week for that 500 and she PuTs oN MaKeUp. 🤡
Shannon Bryant 2 years ago
Absolutely, one hundred percent, YOU are The AH. ... What greedy, deceptive, UNPROFESSIONAL type of service ARE you!? You are absolutely ridiculous. You also come off as: Entitled, Indignant, Whiny, Unethical, Extremely Immature, and, sorry to say, a gigantic B***h. ... I would never in a million years go to, NOR recommend anyone else a person like you, someone with such dishonest, manipulative practices. ... Just. WOW. Have some CLASS & some INTEGRITY, would ya?? And also, way do you just assume that she "LIED" to you, ias if an elaborate plot?? Just because she didn't tell you she was wearing it for her wedding?? Maybe she saw no reason to. Maybe she realized it's HER business & is absolutely not obligated to tell anyone the specifics of what they are going to do. ... Imagine trying to buy a nice dress, & the sales lady demanding to know where you planned to wear it to. Then proceeding to say that, that EXACT dress would cost double depending on where you planned to wear it.
bob terwilliger 2 years ago
If you put anything on her before you told her the new price, then regardless of what you did differently from what she booked you for your quote is your quote. One you started you were only entitled to the last agreed upon price. Full stop.
Doedside 2 years ago
She charges 350$ more because she's using a better setting spray? Wtf. I agree with that bride, she wanted a simple party look and who she is doesn't matter. Tbh the mua should change her prices because those differences are wild. I personally would never go to someone who charges so much just because of the type of event
Supriti Hamal 2 years ago
The point is clear here. Bride’s mom did exactly what she had to do. When the bride said she wants party makeup the makeup artist should just do her job but there is like ‘I heard she was the bride, I used different setting spray’, what the hell was makeup artist thinking. If she agreed on party makeup than why would makeup artist wants to be over smart and use setting spray. Girl just do your work get your money and leave.
Hannah Ph 2 years ago
Makeup artist is definitely the AH. They assumed negative intent, and tried to get payback at the bride. There's so many reasons the bride could have booked party makeup other than trying to scam. Ie. Maybe it's a less traditional wedding and she wanted non traditional make up. Maybe she wanted traditional makeup but couldn't afford it, so she went for the cheaper option not even knowing the difference. The bride agreed to the service and price ahead of time, but so did the artists. Artists should have stuck with what they agreed to, regardless of the bride's title. And all that is in addition to the $350 setting spray...
Scott Seeger 2 years ago
Makeup lady breeched. Ask better questions next time. But there is good reason for charging extra for weddings. Demands are higher and you are expected to go the 3xtra mile. Never go on the cheap side for a wedding. If you say its a wedding you get charged morebut you also go to top priority in caterer/suppliers queue. Nobody who has ever experienced a wedding letdown has ever been thankful for the money they have saved.
Markus It/Its 2 years ago
In what universe is it okay to change the terms of your agreement partway through without informing the other party?
Joseph Singer 2 years ago
Yeah, I really don't see how the poster can get away with charging more simply because the client is a bride.
Loveless Tuna 2 years ago
Id understand if she was using luxury products. Why wouldnt she stop and ask after she heard it was for a wedding? She chose to continue and surpise her client. She didnt do anything extra or fancy for it so there was no need for that upcharge. If anything she should have just said congratulations on the wedding and asked for an extra tip or somthing smaller because she lied. She should definitely have a contract so it wouldnt happen and definitely change the products if her bridal service is $500. Make it worth the money...
Nina Harris 2 years ago
Yup definitely YTA and I don't even necessarily think the bride was being dishonest. I mean if I saw the price listed that way I would have assumed that the difference in price had to do with the amount of service. So she thinks I don't want all the the extra so I'll take the party package. She might not have dreamed that you were charging different prices for the same service depending on who the client is. As an example imagine you call a bakery and ask for a plain chocolate sheet cake that feeds 50 people you want a price. The bakery answer. That cake for an office party is 50 but if it's for a birthday party it's 100 and if it's for a baby shower it will be 150 dollars. Very unethical.
voidrunner 2 years ago
Definitely the a*****e. It's like going to a tattoo parlor and asking for a butterfly, but the artist says that a dragon would look better, then proceeds to charge for the dragon tattoo. It's not what she asked for.
Tonette Casey 2 years ago
Yes this life is ridiculous to try and live in with prices of necessities going up so to charge that much to do makeup on someone is crazy. (hay what goes around comes around just saying)
cold spotac 2 years ago
I work in air conditioning so I know nothing about make up but I believe one should charge a reasonable price for the amount of work and materials used. If additional labor and materials are required then charge extra but if you did a $150 job don't try to charge extra because you found out there was a wedding. I tell people sometimes there are 2 prices the temporary repair and the best I can possibly do guaranteed job with all the best materials job; which one would you like? Obviously the price is not the same
Peggy Travis 2 years ago
I would laugh in his face when he would tell me 150.00 to apply make up. 350.00 or 500.00, Bwaaaaaaaha.
Erinia Verde 2 years ago
Well, as a client it's good to ask what'd be different between a regular party and a bride makeup, so if the artist says "I add spray for bride makeup", client says "you know? I just want a regular party makeup" if the artist says "I'll charge you 500 because I don't care. While you're the bride, it's a bride price", so the client can say "not interested thanks" and look for someone else
Gina Conrad 2 years ago
First off, you should ALWAYS have a written agreement and possibly better questions should have been asked before the "party" was to take place. I also belive that regardless of what was charged, your signature is on your clients face so do a great job, and suck up the cost ! I hope this was a lesson learned for everyone!
Ghost 2 years ago
I am in this industry and she should have had a contract for $500. That price includes a consultation with doing a run through with photos so we are on the same page. It also includes touch ups for photos,reception and your send off. $150 is for a night out.Your fault for booking it without confirming .
Jen 2 years ago
Some brides dont want all that extra stuff, thry only want a simple short appointment the day of and arent doing all that extra stuff anyway. I didnt have a professional photographer, ripped off the lashes for the reception because they were annoying me and we didnt do a send off, just stayed chatting until most everyone had left.
Load More Replies... Ibrahim Ghattas 2 years ago
Wtf, definitely NTA, if he was to be asked to do makeup for a TV personality on set "but standard treatment" would he have charged only 150? A wedding is a spectacle that requires clearing your schedule for, and more importantly, giving her the stamp of excellence.. I am a translator and I charge extra for "legal translation" because the client wants me to take full responsibility.. now the technique is mostly the same, but the level of awareness is different.. and she knew it but decided to hide the fact?
Amy Taylor 2 years ago (edited)
I'm going to weigh in here as a professional Makeup Artist. Granted, I work in film and television, but have done the occasional wedding. The reason that I personally charge more for the bride than the attendants or mothers of the bride/groom is because I also include a trial makeup prior to the wedding just to make sure she's not surprised on the wedding day. I also know about lighting and makeup to last for several hours, and include a small touch-up kit for the bride for photos and whatnot. I'm on the fence with this one because if she openly admits to doing the exact same thing on everyone, then her prices should reflect that. I tend to block far more time with the bride. This is why is dislike doing weddings and will only do them for close friends, relatives etc. I've had situations where the flower girl has handed me tear sheets, wants full lashes, and a full face of makeup but expects to pay the same as what a normal flower girl would get.
Katy Cordeth 2 years ago
Funny to me that all the "This comment is hidden. Click here to view" replies are the only ones that actually get it.
VeteranRedBeard 2 years ago
Here's the thing, I understand the bride didn't want special makeup, just base party. But if everyone did that, the makeup artist wouldn't get hardly any brides to spend the money for wedding. The bride lied for a reason. Otherwise she wouldn't have to lie. She tried to get around the system and there should be a fee for that. The make up artist should disclose that on her site also. It's a messy situation but I understand both sides. But you don't lie about the situation unless you know you would have to pay more.
Bisces 2 years ago
1. Please point out where the bride lied. 2. Why can't people save money anymore. 3. Just because she's a bride, she HAS to get the bridal makeup?
Load More Replies... Georgie Gal 2 years ago
Honestly, I don't think OP is the AH, because, to her mind they were getting ripped off, and it does appear that the party-bride lied on purpose to not have to pay the full bridal price, but what they should have done was exactly what they were charged for. No more, no less. Even after finding out it's for a wedding, that doesn't mean they needed to up their make-up game and use the higher end products. I would have personally done the $150 work, and then when I was paid, apologize for not knowing that it was actually for a wedding, and leaving with a "Since you didn't get the wedding package, I really hope your make-up holds up since the higher end would have stayed and looked more flawless then something I normally do for people who aren't taking high grade pictures showing every flaw. Byeeee!" Yeah, I would have totally done that, and left smiling. That's how you make an AH people lol
Stacey Lu 2 years ago
I can see both sides, the bride started out deceiving you, they were probably all having a good laugh about it. I know there would have been much more involved had you known she was a bride, if I was the artist, I would not her to walk the aisle with my signature on her face unless it was the BEST for a bride, not for a night out! People ask who did your makeup? And when she tells them, they'll be like, hmmm, that was all she did for a wedding? There'd be no referrals and a bunch of s**t talking (not that its any different), i'd rather be an a*****e for overcharging than the butt of a cheapskate bridal joke and everyone thinking I dont know what I'm doing! Thats your business card on her face, anything less than your best isnt worth any amount of money! So artist let her emotions take over but she is totally justified because of the whole deceit by the bride leading up to it!
Arturo Andres 2 years ago
Or, maybe the bride could have saved herself some money and done the makeup herself? What's that? Oh, it takes years of experience and professionalism to do regular "party makeup"? Okay, so you're good with paying a lavish amount for people to do your party, your dress, your cake, your gowns and dresses, but draw the line at the one person that keeps you from looking like the cheapskate clown you really are? Fine, be cheap, be upfront about it, just because you think you deserve to pay less for an event that ultimately benefits you but could care less that anyone else is trying to make a living, you think 500 is a hefty price tag? Do it yourself, it's your face she's working on, not your dog's, your lawn or your dirty mother's, yours! I'm not even a makeup artist, but I do know what it feels like when people think your work is worth less because it's art. Maybe she charges 150 to be accessible to everyone else who is actually broke. Smh...
Heather Manthe 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with the Artist feeling her “art” is under appreciated or it looking like c**p and that reflecting on her. It has to do with the fact that the client asked for the party package, the OP heard the word “wedding” and thought she’d make a better buck, and then tried to scam the client by being sneaky by using additional unasked for product, over charging and attempting extortion, and THEN after admitting her shiesty behavior online to everyone, expects to glean sympathy from the majority of rational thinking, level headed readers of this forum. Or more simply put, the client ordered the party package, she should’ve got the party package, regardless of what the OP THINKS she should’ve ordered.
Load More Replies... Charlotte Richards 2 years ago
Not actually passing judgement here, but I'm still going to point out the language that people used in these examples. Did anyone else notice that (generally) the closer to the YTA side people were, the worse their grammar/spelling was as a whole? This can actually be seen in a lot of places, more critical people tend to use more obviously incorrect grammar, less or tacky punctuation, more abbreviations, and when applicable, more emojis. I actually find this very interesting, you can see this in reviews, conversations involving a phone keyboard, comments in general, etc.. Like I said earlier, I'm fairly neutral to this discussion, and I'm not trying to break that neutrality. I'm just pointing this out.
Julianne M 2 years ago
I don't know who to side with. The artist is kind of an ******* but at the same time the bride did lie. I am going to stay neutral because I can see both sides of the argument.
Bisces 2 years ago
But the Bride didn't lie. She didn't even say she was a bride.
Load More Replies... Sarah nashold 2 years ago
Both of you were wrong. She tried to skirt your prices by finding a loophole, you changed the service without telling her when she disclosed what the specifics if the party. You should have a clear deliniation of what party makeup vs wedding makeup is in the discription..like ok better setting spray but it has to be more then that...more photogenic makeup techniques for bright lighting? or looking good at a distance with more dramatic yet clasic look? A trial run? More time? More layers or waterproofing so it stays on all night? Staying around after the service to make sure the makeup still looks good for the photos? Otherwise why are you charging someone more because they are fufilling a specific role at their party?
Bisces 2 years ago
Why did the bride have to tell the artist who she was? Why is that her business?
Load More Replies... Heather Manthe 2 years ago
Bored Panda is aptly named here because I’m flat out bored with the pathetic ways that yours and that Batty Skulls’ brains are working. Have a lovely day!
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